Committee
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee 12 September 2019
12 Sep 2019 · S5 · Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Item of business
Scottish Elections (Franchise and Representation) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the panel. The bill takes a radical approach with regard to giving voting rights for residency as opposed to citizenship and extending that right across the board to all comers, which goes way beyond the present Commonwealth and EU citizens. What are the panel’s views about that approach? What are the downsides? The witnesses from the refugee side have been very positive, but there are some negatives in there. There are always unintended consequences.
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The Convener
SNP
Agenda item 2 is evidence taking on the Scottish Elections (Franchise and Representation) Bill. I am pleased to say that we are joined by Jen Ang, partner/di...
Jen Ang (JustRight Scotland)
Thank you so much for inviting JustRight Scotland to come and give evidence. I am here on behalf of our rethinking citizenship project, which is about buildi...
The Convener
SNP
You can say a wee bit about that now and we will probably come back to it later. Perhaps you could give us a small taster of what you intend to say.
Jen Ang
Of course. I will highlight just two areas, the first of which relates to the restriction on the right to stand for election with respect to people who have ...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you. We will come on to those issues, but it is useful to have an idea of the direction of your thinking. Would anyone else like to respond to my ques...
Andy Knox (Lanarkshire Community Law Centre)
I thank the committee very much for inviting me along. Lanarkshire Community Law Centre receives funding via Citizens Advice Scotland to assist European Uni...
Lorna Gledhill (Scottish Refugee Council)
Thank you—that is your third “thank you”—for having us here. I am from the Scottish Refugee Council. We work to support people who are seeking asylum and ref...
The Convener
SNP
So you are looking at the significance of the bill in terms of citizenship and bringing the population together on these important issues.
Neil Findlay
Lab
I want to pick up on your point about voting education, which is critical. When I was a councillor in West Lothian, we had a team that was involved in voting...
Lorna Gledhill
I can speak only about the sector in which I work. The organisations that support people who are refugees or in the asylum system are chronically underfunded...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Green
Are there particular areas of Scotland in which there are well-developed partnership approaches between non-governmental organisations and councils to workin...
Lorna Gledhill
Due to the way in which asylum dispersal works, the large majority of people who have come through the asylum system are in Glasgow, and the way in which the...
Jen Ang
The Scottish Refugee Council’s focus is very much on asylum seekers and refugees, who are a subset of the larger group of people who migrate to Scotland. Wha...
Andy Knox
I think that the policy memorandum says that 65,000 nationals who are currently not entitled would have the franchise. I reaffirm Jen Ang’s observations abou...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you for those insightful comments.
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
SNP
I take your point that there is not the same access to legal advice, although citizens advice bureaux are pretty good in Aberdeen—I cannot speak for Invernes...
Andy Knox
The need is for advice about entitlement to register to vote. Sometimes, migrants fear engagement about the franchise and distrust the system. The bill will ...
Maureen Watt
SNP
Okay; we will come back to that, I think.
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
I welcome the panel. The bill takes a radical approach with regard to giving voting rights for residency as opposed to citizenship and extending that right a...
Jen Ang
You are right in thinking that, because of the context in which we work, I see the bill as overwhelmingly positive. It is important to remember that there is...
Andy Knox
From a purely technical perspective, there is an inherent tension between the provisions in the bill that seek to ensure that EU citizens will continue to ha...
Tom Mason
Con
Do you see a difference between the franchise at local government level and the franchise at national level? Local government is a creature of statute of the...
Andy Knox
I could not comment on that. Jen?
Jen Ang
I suppose that I do not see a difference. Obviously, different powers are exercised between those levels, but there is a role in giving people a voice at bot...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you very much for that good explanation. Maureen Watt has a couple of questions on the number of people who will be enfranchised by the bill’s provisi...
Maureen Watt
SNP
Andy Knox mentioned the figure of 65,000 but, according to the 2011 census, the figure is 55,000. Given Brexit and everything else, we are not sure exactly w...
Andy Knox
I do not know, because I do not have any empirical data. I think that the latest national reported figures that we have come from the 2011 census. As an indi...
Maureen Watt
SNP
Will it make a big difference if we base the number on the 2011 census? Do we need a more up-to-date figure?
Andy Knox
It would be useful to have a more up-to-date figure.
Lorna Gledhill
To clarify, my understanding is that the estimate in the bill documentation is 55,000 newly enfranchised voters, which would not necessarily include EU natio...