Committee
Social Security Committee 27 February 2020
27 Feb 2020 · S5 · Social Security Committee
Item of business
Correspondence (Constituency Inquiries)
I understand that the DWP deals with constituents’ issues in the same way as NHS Scotland and local authorities do. If that is not the case, I would be interested in hearing the correct information. As I read the letter, the DWP is saying that a member who made an inquiry would need a letter from their constituent confirming that they had their consent to do so. My experience has been that NHS Lothian, City of Edinburgh Council and the other Lothian councils will not deal with me until I can provide them with my constituent’s written consent for me to do so. I am not sure that the DWP’s position is any different from that of NHS Scotland or the local authorities in my region. Therefore, if we are to make a principled argument to the DWP, we will need to explore doing so with those other bodies. That is how things work in the area that I represent, and I am not sure that the DWP is asking for anything different from what other organisations in Scotland ask for.
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The Convener
SNP
Welcome back, everyone. Agenda item 4 is correspondence from the DWP’s Scotland area director. I remind members that, following concerns being raised by Lin...
Mark Griffin
Lab
The process that the Department for Work and Pensions has set out is not at all acceptable. Members of the UK Parliament are regarded as having the implicit ...
The Convener
SNP
If that turns out to be the mood of the meeting, once we have heard everyone’s views, we will decide how best to ask the DWP to reflect on its position.
Jeremy Balfour
Con
I understand that the DWP deals with constituents’ issues in the same way as NHS Scotland and local authorities do. If that is not the case, I would be inter...
The Convener
SNP
At this point, perhaps I can provide some information. I am sure that members will have read the reply from the DWP, which says: “Once explicit consent is p...
Jeremy Balfour
Con
That is not the case in Edinburgh.
The Convener
SNP
Mr Balfour, I will let you come back in once you have let me have my say. That is how things work in NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde. With local authorities, ...
Jeremy Balfour
Con
I thought you said that you would come back to me, convener.
The Convener
SNP
You have indicated that what I have outlined has not been your experience in Edinburgh, and I have suggested what the committee might do.
Jeremy Balfour
Con
I thought you said that you would come back to me, though.
The Convener
SNP
Yes, but let me finish.
Graham Simpson
Con
Yes, you did say that.
The Convener
SNP
I do not need your help, Mr Simpson—I can chair the meeting without your assistance, thank you. I said that we could note the issue in writing to the conven...
Jeremy Balfour
Con
Yes. I do not think that the DWP’s position is unreasonable, and I would not use the word “barrier”. I think that the department is safeguarding constituents...
The Convener
SNP
I am disappointed that the cross-party consensus that we had earlier may now be fragmenting, which is not very helpful, but you have said what you want. Let...
Shona Robison
SNP
I understand what Jeremy Balfour is saying, but a crucial point is being missed here. Because of the general data protection regulation, mandate and consent...
The Convener
SNP
I will, of course, let you back in to respond to that, Jeremy—although not right now. We have plenty of time in hand.
Pauline McNeill
Lab
Initially, I thought that Jeremy Balfour had a fair point when he said that MSPs were required to prove consent in their dealings with the NHS. However, I no...
The Convener
SNP
It is also worth observing that how the DWP approaches the matter in different parts of the country—even in the same part of the country, depending on the DW...
Graham Simpson
Con
There is a way through this. We all agree that there should be consistency in the way that MPs and MSPs are treated, so the question is whether MPs and MSPs ...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you for your views.
Shona Robison
SNP
That is helpful. I do not let any constituent leave my office without getting consent from them. We have a simple and straightforward consent form that has t...
Alison Johnstone
Green
The need for consistency is at the heart of this. I agree with Mark Griffin’s and Shona Robison’s comments, and I appreciate Graham Simpson’s endeavours to f...
Pauline McNeill
Lab
To be frank, I do not think that the letter has been written in good faith. If you examine the detail, you will see that the DWP is offering us very little. ...
Graham Simpson
Con
You are probably right: MPs probably would not agree to that. The committee is asking for the same treatment. Whatever that treatment is, it should be the sa...
The Convener
SNP
The committee has been consistent in its view that MSPs should be treated on the same basis as MPs. We do not want to withdraw the entitlement that MPs have ...
Keith Brown
SNP
I agree with the comments that have been made by Mark Griffin, Alison Johnstone, Shona Robison, Pauline McNeill and you, convener. I also agree with Graham S...
The Convener
SNP
We would not, of course, propose what you describe, because it would be juvenile and not in the best interests of constituents.
Keith Brown
SNP
That is right.
Tom Arthur
SNP
I concur with the points that you made a few moments ago, convener. As a matter of principle, there must be consistency and parity between MPs and MSPs. It t...