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Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
16 Nov 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
I am pleased to open this preliminary stage debate on the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill. Members could be forgiven for thinking that the subject might be dry and technical, but I assure them that the pow is literally anything but dry. It has a rich his...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
13 Dec 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill
As convener of the committee, I am pleased to open the final stage debate on the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill. Before I comment on what has been an eventful and involving 18 months of work, I thank all those who have contributed to the process, includi...
The Convener SNP Committee
27 Sep 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Today we are taking evidence from the promoters of the bill, the Pow of Inchaffray drainage commissioners, and their representatives. I welcome Jonathan Guest, who is a commissioner; Hugh Grierson, who is also a commissioner; Alastair McKie, who is a partner at Anderson Strath...
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
24 Jan 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning and welcome to the first meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. Due to the late start, I thank our guests for their patience. The first item on our agenda is further evidence from the promoters of the bill and thei...
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
07 Mar 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning and welcome to the second meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. The only agenda item is consideration of a recent written submission from the bill’s promoters, following the oral evidence session at our last meetin...
The Convener SNP Committee
12 Sep 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
I appreciate the clarification. I have a further point. In terms of benefited land, there are properties that could be categorised as directly benefiting from the pow, as they drain directly into it, and others that we could categorise as indirectly benefiting, as they drain i...
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Today we take evidence from the promoter of the bill, the Pow of Inchaffray commissioners, and their representatives. I welcome Jonathan Guest, commissioner; Hugh Grierson, commissioner; Alastair McKie, partner, Anderson Strathern; Ailidh Callander, senior solicitor, Anderson ...
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Even so, given the differentiation in risks for benefited land, is it correct that some properties benefit more than others as a result of the pow?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
So you contend that, without the pow, none of the areas that are designated as benefited land would, for example, be able to have property situated on it.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
You have referred to a number of documents, and from the evidence that we received, I am not satisfied that they actually give prospective purchasers enough clarity and information. We have received a written submission from Professor Robert Rennie, who says that he does not t...
The Convener SNP Committee
27 Sep 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Can we look forward to a Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission Facebook page or Twitter account?
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
22 Nov 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2017 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. This is our first meeting at consideration stage, and the only item on our agenda is our approach to consideration stage scrutiny of the bill. Do membe...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP Chamber
14 Dec 2017
Writers to the Signet Dependants’ Annuity Fund Amendment (Scotland) Bill: Final Stage
I thank the committee clerks and the researchers for all their support; I also thank my committee colleagues Alison Harris and Mary Fee. As my colleagues on the Writers to the Signet Dependants’ Annuity Fund Amendment (Scotland) Bill Committee have spoken about our considerati...
The Convener SNP Committee
24 Jan 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
If I understand correctly, the assessment in the plan suggests that Dollerie benefits from the pow.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 Jan 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
But you are saying that Dollerie does not benefit from the pow.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 Jan 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
You are saying that land that has been identified as benefiting from the pow does not. You are, therefore, contradicting the plans. Why is that any different from an objector saying that their lands on the Balgowan estate have not benefited from it? They are both opinions.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 Jan 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
That ultimately creates two different classes with regard to people who benefit. A key issue that has previously been raised is the distinction between water that drains from agricultural land that has soil on it and water that is injected into the pow from the Balgowan estate...
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
09 May 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning and welcome to the third meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill. The only item on the agenda today is to consider the new land plans and accompanying explanatory report submitted by the promoters of the bill. Members will reca...
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
23 May 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. Agenda item 1 is to consider the merits of the three objections to the bill. Evidence on the objections was taken at our meeting on 13 December 2017...
The Convener SNP Committee
23 May 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Is it therefore the committee’s view that none of the reasons for Mr Bruce’s objection should be upheld, that it disagrees with Mr Bruce and that his property benefits from the pow? Members indicated agreement.
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
20 Jun 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. The only item on our agenda today is for us to screen the amendments to the bill that have been lodged and to apply two tests. The first test is wheth...
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
12 Sep 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. The first item on our agenda is to take evidence on the objections to amendment 9 to the bill. Two objections to the amendment were received; objector...
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
26 Sep 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. The first item on our agenda is to consider the merits of the two objections that were lodged on amendment 9 to the bill. Evidence on the objections ...
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
24 Oct 2018
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Consideration Stage
Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2018 of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. The only item on our agenda today is to consider the bill at consideration stage. We will consider 15 amendments, which have all been lodged in my na...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP Committee
10 May 2017
Interests
I have no relevant interests to declare, and I declare that I will act impartially in my capacity as a member of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee and will base decisions solely on the evidence and information that is provided to the committee.
The Convener (Tom Arthur) SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Welcome to the second meeting of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill Committee. Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take item 3 and all future consideration of evidence in private. Members indicated agreement.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Thank you very much. Fundamental to the bill and the 1846 act is the concept of benefited land. Will you outline to the committee what evidence-based considerations and precedents have informed the designation of benefited land as outlined in the bill?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
The definition of benefited land is predicated on a survey that was carried out in 1846, combined with the local experience and knowledge of existing heritors and commissioners. Have you utilised any other resources, such as Scottish Environment Protection Agency modelled maps...
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Will you clarify what the fundamental reasons are for the inconsistency between the SEPA flood assessments and the 1846 survey?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Given your experience with the land, would you say that, within the benefited land, there is a spectrum of flood risk and that some areas of benefited land are more at risk of flood than others?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Reference has been made to substantial improvement works after the 1846 act. For the record, when were the last substantial improvement works carried out? Was that following the 1846 act?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
To clarify, when was the Manor Kingdom development constructed?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
So the lacuna emerged between 1846 and 1990—the lack of knowledge of the names.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Are there any further comments on why the names were lost? Was it as a result of something in the act?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Are you confident that if the provisions of the bill are enacted, the situation will not be repeated for any subsequent developments?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Would it also be possible for the committee to see the consultation documents, the responses and the minutes of the meetings?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
That is fine. I want to follow up on something. Given that, in the interest of simplicity, there are not going to be safeguards, am I correct in understanding that a heritor’s ability to pay will not be taken into consideration?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
There are differences in terms of state support. The situation is that if someone is asset rich but income poor, they are still going to be charged the same rate.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Why do heritors have a role in appointing but not dismissing commissioners?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
They can express concerns, but how can heritors hold commissioners to account? You talked about a continuation of the 1846 act, but that was a concept of democracy from a few years after the great reform act. We have moved on somewhat in 170 years.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
If the heritors start getting bills dropping through their doors that they were not expecting, you might get a few more attendees.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Does the bill give any alternative tools or means for heritors who are unhappy about commissioners’ performance to hold them to account or to remove them?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
I want to clarify another point. For a person to become a commissioner, they have to be a heritor, but can a commissioner who ceases to be a heritor continue to be a commissioner? Are there provisions in the bill to remove a commissioner in that situation?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
If someone is a heritor and becomes a commissioner but subsequently moves when they are a commissioner and is no longer a heritor—
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Does the bill make that clear?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
What work have you undertaken to publicise the role of the commission to heritors to try to engage with them and encourage them to become involved?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
I ask you to remind me what the average attendance was at the public meetings.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Out of a total of how many heritors was that?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Was the consultation document discussed only at the town hall meetings, or was it issued to every heritor?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Okay. That is useful.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
How many responses did you get?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
That is fine.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
I believe that Alison Harris has some questions on the charging scheme.
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
On the terminology, why do you talk about acreage and not hectares?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
To move on slightly, what levels of historical debt are owed to the commission?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Have you had challenges with debt collection?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
I understand that the Balgowan estate has been problematic. How did that come about, given that the owners had relevant legal obligations in the title deeds?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Does section 21 empower the commission to recover from owners historical debts that are associated with the 1846 act and relevant title conditions?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Are you writing off the debts under the 1846 act?
The Convener SNP Committee
24 May 2017
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
What do you intend to do under the bill to pursue the historical debts under the 1846 act?
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 November 2017

16 Nov 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill: Preliminary Stage
Arthur, Tom SNP Renfrewshire South Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to open this preliminary stage debate on the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill.

Members could be forgiven for thinking that the subject might be dry and technical, but I assure them that the pow is literally anything but dry. It has a rich history that involves no less a figure than King Robert the Bruce. Before I dive into the pow in detail, I thank all those who engaged with us and the other committee members—Alison Harris and Mary Fee—for their hard work. I also put on the record the committee’s thanks to the clerks and the Scottish Parliament information centre for their invaluable support.

This private bill was introduced on 17 March 2017. A private bill is introduced by an outside promoter and will make specific changes to the law that affects the promoter rather than changing the public and general law. The bill has been promoted by the Pow of Inchaffray commissioners, who have responsibility for the arrangements, management, maintenance and improvement of the pow. For anyone who is wondering what a pow is, I will explain shortly.

Anyone who considers that a private bill would adversely affect their interests can formally object to it. Three admissible objections to the bill were lodged and none was rejected at the preliminary stage, so all will be considered in detail should the bill progress to the consideration stage.

The objections helped to inform our scrutiny. The committee took evidence from the promoters on two occasions. We questioned them not only about comments and concerns that were raised in the objections but on a wide range of written submissions, including those from the Scottish Government, Scottish Natural Heritage and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency.

Before I set out some of the areas of concern, I will explain what the Pow of Inchaffray is. “Pow” is a Scots word that means a ditch, slow-running stream or channel of water. The Pow of Inchaffray provides drainage to approximately 1,930 acres of surrounding land near Crieff in Perth and Kinross and is the equivalent of 13.7 miles long. The land that it drains is defined in the bill as “benefited land”, and those who own land or property there are called “heritors” and must pay the commission a share of its annual budget for the upkeep of the pow.

The origins of the pow date back to the 13th century. Further work was carried out in 1314 at the behest of King Robert the Bruce, and it was first put on a statutory footing in 1696 in the old Scots Parliament. That act was updated in 1846 at Westminster to give the commissioners greater powers to carry out works and improvements and made provision for the costs of work to be shared among landowners. The commission now wants to replace the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Act 1846 with something that is fit for purpose so that it can carry out its responsibilities more effectively in the future and ensure that there is a fair and proportionate system for calculating the annual assessments that heritors must pay.

Historically, the pow has been managed by the owners of the agricultural land that surrounds it. It was never envisaged that the benefited land would include a large number of residential properties but, because of centuries of drainage work, some land was made suitable for development and a new housing estate was built in the Balgowan area. Some older properties were also redeveloped for residential use. Most of those residents are already liable to pay the commission for the upkeep of the pow, and the remainder will be made liable by the bill.

The issues of which land benefits, who should pay, how much they should pay, and the balance of power between the commission and the heritors are at the heart of many of the concerns that have been expressed to the committee. Much revolves around the commission’s annual budget, as that determines what individual heritors will pay. The committee therefore spent some time clarifying what the budget of the commission has been historically and what factors could impact on future budgets. On request, the promoter provided the committee with details of the budget between 2004 and 2016. The budget has varied from under £3,000 to over £30,000 in that period, with an average annual budget of £14,609. My colleague Mary Fee will talk more about the future budgets of the commission, and Alison Harris will set out views on the need for a right of appeal and on how prospective purchasers are made aware of the pow, but I will highlight a couple of other issues before I close.

The committee is satisfied that maintenance of the pow is required and that a body is needed to manage that. It is clear that Perth and Kinross Council, SEPA and Scottish Water either have no interest in taking on that role or have no locus to do so. Therefore, the commission needs to continue and it is appropriate that its work is funded by those who benefit. However, the balance of power between the commission and heritors needs careful consideration. I will briefly give some examples.

There are currently six commissioners, two each for the lower, middle and upper sections, with no commissioner for the Balgowan section of the pow. The bill proposes changing that to allow a Balgowan area commissioner, and seven commissioners in total. However, as approximately 73 per cent of heritors live in the Balgowan section, it did not seem appropriate for them to be represented by one commissioner out of seven. As a result of our questioning, the promoters have agreed in principle to bring forward amendments to allow two Balgowan commissioners, leading to eight commissioners in total.

The commission also supported the committee’s preliminary suggestions to allow easier termination of a commissioner’s appointment, and to make it possible for a majority of heritors to dismiss a commissioner from their section. We also discussed whether the method set out in the bill for calculating annual assessments was fair and proportionate, particularly for heritors who may be asset rich but income poor and who may live in modest houses on larger land plots, for historical reasons.

Should the bill proceed, we will discuss those and other issues with the objectors and promoters with a view to lodging amendments to the bill if appropriate. Overall, we support the general principles of the bill and, although we have identified some issues that need to be resolved at consideration stage, we are confident that sensible compromises can be found.

I move,

That the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Bill and that the bill should proceed as a private bill.

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