Committee
Local Government and Communities Committee (Hybrid) 16 September 2020
16 Sep 2020 · S5 · Local Government and Communities Committee
Item of business
Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 (Parts 3 and 5) (Post-legislative Scrutiny)
Last week, we heard about the idea of having a named community empowerment contact or champion in each public authority, especially in authorities that are sometimes hostile or obstructive, as Gail Ross touched on. What are your views on that recommendation?
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The Convener
SNP
Under agenda item 2, the committee will take evidence on the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015. This is the second evidence session of the committee’...
Dr Calum MacLeod (Community Land Scotland)
Thank you for the opportunity to speak in this session. Community Land Scotland’s members include almost 100 prospective and actual urban and rural landowner...
Angus Hardie (Scottish Community Alliance)
I agree with everything that Calum MacLeod has said. In essence, it is about communities having more control over the decisions that shape their future. Alb...
Colette McGarva (Community Development Alliance Scotland)
Community empowerment has always been one of the key aims and objectives of the Community Development Alliance. It helps to strengthen our nation, so it is f...
Douglas Westwater (Community Enterprise)
I could not agree more with my colleagues, in a theoretical way, but perhaps I come from a different perspective. Your question was about wellbeing. We work...
The Convener
SNP
How can those concepts be measured? Has there been any noticeable change since the bill was enacted in 2015?
Colette McGarva
As we said in our submission, the more that community planning partners can evidence how they are involving communities in decision making, the better it is ...
The Convener
SNP
How do you measure the impact that the community planning partnerships, for example, are having? How do you measure that those concepts are successful?
Colette McGarva
We need to highlight and showcase examples of good practice. For example, East Ayrshire Council has always been viewed as an example of good practice in CPPs...
Dr MacLeod
The measurement issue is critical, but there are different elements to measure. We need to bear it in mind that there is both measurement of the processes th...
The Convener
SNP
In the interests of democracy I will not abuse my position as convener, so it is time for me to pass over to my deputy convener. I am sure that the issues of...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
Colette McGarva made a point about best practice and good practice. How is that shared across local authorities and what evidence have we got about how other...
Colette McGarva
All the community planning partners should be aware of their performance management frameworks and reporting mechanisms for scrutiny. For example, there are ...
Sarah Boyack
Lab
Does any other witness want to comment on the sharing of best practice between public bodies? Last week, we focused a lot on local government, but what about...
Douglas Westwater
We probably need to shine a light on that work. There is a large number of good-quality case studies. We have worked on projects with Police Scotland and For...
Sarah Boyack
Lab
I have focused so far on local authorities and public bodies, but what evidence do you have about the extent to which communities understand their rights und...
Dr MacLeod
The short answer is that we do not have a systematic evidence base at the moment. Certainly, we need to consolidate and develop the evidence base because, as...
Sarah Boyack
Lab
I think that Angus Hardie wants to come in.
Angus Hardie
Yes—thank you. I am not sure whether communities have got a good sense of the potential opportunities that the 2015 act provides—it is difficult to read. Wh...
Sarah Boyack
Lab
That is useful feedback. Is there a difference between the use of participation requests and asset transfers? Is there a breakdown between urban and rural ar...
Angus Hardie
There is more awareness of asset transfer in the sector and the appetite for such activity is definitely more vigorous. That is partly because of the ecosyst...
The Convener
SNP
I apologise to Colette McGarva, but we have to move on.
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
Good morning, panel. Some concerns have been expressed about the capacity and the confidence that communities have, especially where they feel less empowered...
Douglas Westwater
That is a really interesting question. We are more of a support agency, so we work directly with organisations all over Scotland. We work with approximately ...
Dr MacLeod
Inaudible.—what Douglas Westwater has been saying, but I add that, if we are going to engage with more disadvantaged communities, we need to commit the resou...
Colette McGarva
I think we all agree with that. To me, the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015 should be seen in conjunction with the Equality Act 2010 because, tradit...
Angus Hardie
Over the past 20 years or so, there has been a real shift in how we, as a country, support communities. Back in the day, there used to be an army of communit...
Alexander Stewart
Con
To follow on from that, we have also heard evidence of real concerns about public bodies not publishing reports on participation requests and asset transfer....
Dr MacLeod
The data absolutely indicates that that is the case. As I said, the figure of 64 per cent returns in the first year, which was 2017-18, dropped to 43 per cen...
Colette McGarva
To add to Calum MacLeod’s point, I say that the approach is variable at a regional level, because some regions have asset transfer policies and community eng...