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Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
03 Oct 2018
Remand
In order to be transparent, as a practising solicitor I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am pleased to have the opportunity to open for the Scottish Conservatives in the debate on the Justice Committee’s report on remand and to introduce some...
Liam Kerr Con Chamber
03 Oct 2018
Remand
I am not sure what that is compelling evidence of. I definitely agree that that figure is highly concerning and that there is an issue there but, absent the data to understand why those remand decisions are being taken, it is very difficult to draw the conclusions and go on to...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
Professor Hutton, I have a couple of points. First, you said that we remand more than some European jurisdictions, although I accept that you did not base that on data in front of you. Why do you think that that is the case, if our refusal of bail is an objective decision base...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
22 May 2018
Management of Offenders (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to ask the witnesses about resourcing but, before I do, I will go back to another of Stewart Stevenson’s interesting interventions, in which he asked about the statistics. Mr Strang, you said that the stats on prisoner numbers across Europe were broadly comparable and t...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
16 Jan 2018
Remand
I want to go back to my initial question about data. We have talked quite a lot about remand being overused; I do not necessarily disagree, but what I have heard is that there is a lack of analysis on why that decision is being made in preference to alternatives. In your submi...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
06 Feb 2018
Remand
During our previous evidence session, we were told that there is a lack of data on why judges are still putting people on remand. I find that odd. Do you have a view on why that data is not captured? Do any of you have anecdotal evidence of why judges are still putting people ...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
06 Feb 2018
Remand
Just to clarify, I am going to reflect back what I heard. It might sound quite pejorative, but I do not mean it in that way. I take it that judges are saying that they are going to hold people on remand because they have concluded that the community alternatives are not credib...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
24 Apr 2018
Remand
Good morning. I want to pick up on something that you talked about, cabinet secretary—the presumption against short-term sentences. You suggested that people who are remanded may experience the same disadvantages that the Scottish Government has identified in short-term senten...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
24 Apr 2018
Remand
I want to move us on to people’s experience of remand. In 2013, the predecessor Justice Committee reported on purposeful activity in prisons and noted that there was a lack of opportunities for remand prisoners to participate in purposeful activities. What has happened since t...
Liam Kerr Con Chamber
03 Oct 2018
Remand
I do not necessarily disagree with anything that the member has said, but does she not agree that it is important that we understand why, despite those efforts, remand levels remain so high? Why are we still holding so many people on remand, despite the efforts that the member...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
19 Jun 2019
Mental Health (Young People Entering and in Custody)
I will go back to the cabinet secretary’s remarks on remand. The report notes that young people who are on remand feel that they “struggled to access services”. What will the cabinet secretary do to ensure that young people who are on remand have appropriate access to activiti...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
16 Jan 2018
Remand
A number of witnesses have talked about the ethos with regard to the possibility of using remand, but do we have any data on why it is being used? Has there been any analysis of the reasons that have been given for its use—for example, protecting the public from harm, the risk...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
16 Jan 2018
Remand
I entirely accept the position on the effects of remand, but this is a decision that people are making, and we need some analysis to establish why that decision is being preferred over the alternatives. Mr McGeehan, do you have any comment on that?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
06 Feb 2018
Remand
Karyn McCluskey mentioned electronic monitoring. At a previous meeting, we heard the chief inspector of prisons say that that is not currently available as a condition of bail but that it might be available in the future. Can you help me to understand why it is not available n...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
Good morning, Sheriff Liddle. I will follow on from that point. During previous evidence sessions, we have been told that there is a lack of robust data to show why judges decide to use remand in individual cases. I can understand from what you said to the convener that those ...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
I found all the submissions extremely useful and I found the pilot study fascinating. On a very small scale, it suggested to me that sheriffs are handing down clearly sensible and supportable decisions, guided by section 23. The sheriff was quite clear, if the committee seeks ...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
It seems that we all accept that there are opportunities and possibilities to provide more support to prisoners on remand, which could have favourable outcomes. Is it possible to identify any specific barriers to the provision of that support?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
I want to explore the issue from a slightly different angle. Right at the start, we talked about data. Mr Clark talked about awareness of what is going on. I realise that I am talking at a very general level, but do you have any idea whether the bulk of people being remanded a...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
Throughout our meetings on remand, we have picked up that concern about data.
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
If an area has many alternatives to bail refusal, are significantly fewer people held on remand in that area?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
Electronic monitoring as an alternative to remand is not currently available. Should it be, and, if so, in what circumstances?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
Before I move on, could I press you on that? You say that it was expensive, or that it was felt to be expensive. The obvious question is, do you have any oversight of what the cost of that pilot was as compared to the cost of putting someone in prison on remand?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
24 Apr 2018
Remand
You said in your opening statement that bail decisions are a matter for the courts. What do you understand the main drivers to be for the current level of the use of remand?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
24 Apr 2018
Remand
In your opening statement, you talked about inappropriate use of remand. By that, do you mean that the sentencer has made the wrong decision? In fact, those are not the right words. Do you mean that the sentencer has come to a decision that is not appropriate or that it is the...
Liam Kerr Con Chamber
03 Oct 2018
Remand
The member talked about the unnecessary use of remand. How can the member know that it is unnecessary without understanding why it has been used in the first place?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
28 May 2019
Secure Care and Mental Health Services for Young People
I would like to give you the opportunity to elaborate on the issue of remand, which the committee has been very concerned about and about which you raise concerns in the report. Can you tell us how long, on average—which I accept is not a great benchmark—young people spend on ...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
28 May 2019
Secure Care and Mental Health Services for Young People
Is anyone capturing the reasons why remand is being used in the cases that you just mentioned? Indeed, is data on whether the use of remand is still appropriate being captured?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
28 May 2019
Secure Care and Mental Health Services for Young People
This is my final question. One of your conclusions is that we should maximise support for those held on remand. I think that the committee would have sympathy with that, but what does maximising support for those on remand look like?
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
17 Sep 2019
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2020-21
Can we return to Jenny Gilruth’s point? We have seen a big increase in the number of prisoners on remand and, anecdotally, I understand that they can have some of the most challenging behaviours, because of the situation that they are in. Is any analysis being done on whether ...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
18 Aug 2020
Covid-19 Impact (Justice Sector and Policing)
On the point about the significant numbers on remand, I think that I am right in saying that section 24 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995 gives the Lord Advocate the ability to look at bail and remand. If that is right, are you aware of whether the Lord Advocate is...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
21 Nov 2024
Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
After 17 years of the Scottish National Party Government, our prisons are over capacity by around 260 inmates, yet what Phil Fairlie of the Prison Officers Association called a “permacrisis” was wholly predictable. I remember saying to former justice secretary Humza Yousaf t...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
17 Sep 2025
Substance Misuse in Prisons
I am grateful for that very full answer. I will interrogate it slightly, if I may. You mentioned remand prisoners. Off the top of my head, 1,800 of the total of 8,300 prisoners are on remand—I am sure that you can give me the exact figure. Presumably, they present a specific i...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
16 Jan 2018
Remand
I am an MSP for the North East Scotland region.
Liam Kerr Con Committee
16 Jan 2018
Remand
Do you know whether that is captured? Does anyone write down, “Here’s why I have remanded this person”?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
16 Jan 2018
Remand
That is interesting. 10:15
Liam Kerr Con Committee
06 Feb 2018
Remand
In effect, the judge was saying, “What else am I supposed to do?” Is that correct?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
06 Feb 2018
Remand
For the avoidance of doubt, did you mean to say that you want to contact solicitors, not defence agents?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
Is it fair to say that the breakdown—the data—exists, but that that nobody has collated it up to this point?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
I will stick with the records. In a previous session, we heard from Community Justice Scotland, which told the committee that the legislation requires a record to be kept when bail is granted or refused. I am aware that that happens in some cases but not in others. Do you conc...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
It would be your view that Community Justice Scotland appears to be mistaken.
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
Yes, just briefly—to aid my understanding of the record keeping. Sheriff Liddle, when you promulgate an oral decision on whether to grant or refuse bail, what obligation is there on the court to keep a record, in the same way as we keep an official record here? Presumably, the...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
Thank you.
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
You may have heard my question to the first witness. Throughout these sessions, I have been concerned about the lack of robust data on why bail is being refused. Do you have any view on the lack of data and what can be done about it?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
Where a reason has been given and recorded for bail being refused, or someone being remanded, do you know how much information is recorded? Is there any common practice or does it vary across the board?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
Would it be a good idea if sheriffs were more closely guided on having to give reasons and what the extent of those reasons should be? We heard from the sheriff this morning that he goes through section 23, and that he is very clear about what he is doing and why he is doing i...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
13 Mar 2018
Remand
That will be very useful. Thank you.
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
We have explored how things appear to be at the moment. Two of the submissions mention possible solutions or developments, as Marie Cairns has done this morning. The fact that mental health concerns are an issue is not revelatory. We have known that people with mental health i...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
You have proposed a solution there—you have said, “This could be better”—
Liam Kerr Con Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
That is fine. There are various suggestions in the East Ayrshire Advocacy Services submission about how the situation could be made better. Solutions have been proposed; what is being done about that? Who is taking that ball and running with it?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
Does anyone else want to comment on the barriers?
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
I will direct my question to Alan Staff, although all the witnesses should feel free to answer if they wish. Is there any evidence that bail is being refused because of a lack of availability of your services—the short-term funding issue on which you touched earlier—or becaus...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
In what circumstances?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
It was far cheaper to have someone on electronic monitoring and in receipt of support services.
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
Right. That is a fair answer.
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
Thank you for those answers. Let me flip the situation slightly. In previous evidence to this committee, we heard from a defence lawyer who gave an example of a particular client who had been granted bail multiple times but just kept reoffending. One of the things that she sai...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
27 Mar 2018
Remand
I am grateful. Thank you.
Liam Kerr Con Committee
24 Apr 2018
Remand
I understand the point that you have made, but would opportunities be available? Let us say that I have been remanded for an undefined period and that I want to engage in purposeful activity. Would that be available to me, or would I not be able to positively engage in purpose...
Liam Kerr Con Committee
24 Apr 2018
Remand
As far as you are aware, is there availability?
Liam Kerr Con Committee
08 May 2018
Management of Offenders (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I do not necessarily dispute that—particularly in relation to remand, which we have looked at in some depth. In answer to my question, you spoke about educating the community, inducing compliance and helping people to desist from crime. However, my concern is that members of...
Liam Kerr Con Chamber
03 Oct 2018
Remand
That point about the bus is very good. When I did the journey to Peterhead prison, the transport was paid for. The Scottish Government is funding a six-month trial to see whether that will work, which is excellent. Will Ruth Maguire ask the minister to say in closing whether t...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 03 October 2018

03 Oct 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Remand
Kerr, Liam Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

In order to be transparent, as a practising solicitor I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests.

I am pleased to have the opportunity to open for the Scottish Conservatives in the debate on the Justice Committee’s report on remand and to introduce some of the themes that I am looking forward to hearing more about this afternoon. Credit goes to the clerks for the production of the report, but also to the witnesses for what was a fascinating and highly informative inquiry.

The first major learning, which bears restating, is that we should be wary of bracketing those remanded with those convicted. The remand prisoner—at least as far as the report uses the term—has not been found guilty of a crime; rather, he is accused but kept in custody prior to trial. He holds that status because a sentencer has decided, based on statutory criteria, that remand rather than bail is appropriate.

It is important that, particularly where we seek solutions to the fact that about a fifth of the prison population is on remand, we do not rush to equate those remanded with short-term prisoners. It is also important that we look at why we remand, because of the impact that being remanded has.

The average time that is spent on remand is about 25 days. David Strang, who was then Her Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons for Scotland, told the committee that it can be “disorientating, unsettling and stressful.” Those remanded may face barriers to obtaining medication or continuing services that they access in the community, and housing or employment may be disrupted.

Last weekend, I visited HMP Grampian with Families Outside, which contributed to the committee’s report. It reiterated a crucial point picked up by the committee: the impact on families, as well as on the remandee, is considerable. That is particularly the case with Peterhead. Although very impressive work is going on, particularly around visiting arrangements, getting there is still a long, potentially expensive journey for many prisoners’ families.

It is vital that the decision to remand is not taken lightly. My key point is that the decision to remand is difficult. It is a decision made at the start of the process, when someone who is accused is brought before a court and the sentencer must decide whether to release the accused on bail.

According to the law, bail is to be granted unless the court decides that the public interest warrants remand and there is a substantial risk that granting bail will lead to issues such as non-appearances or obstruction of the course of justice. The court will also have regard to matters including the nature of the offence and the likely punishment if convicted.

It is not a straightforward process in which a capricious judge takes one look at the accused and decides to remand. On the contrary, as Sheriff Liddle told us, judges

“are not eager to remand people”.

Of course they are not. They are more aware than perhaps any of us are of the issues and the impacts set out in the committee’s report. They are the experts who make the decisions daily as part of their job. Their decisions, according to Sheriff Liddle, are based on “adequate information”, provided variously by the prosecution, the defence and the criminal justice social workers, whose decisions, according to the Edinburgh Bar Association, are “justified well” and it is difficult to suggest that they are made in error.

Yet, according to the statistics, there is no significant difference in the numbers being remanded over the past ten years. The numbers feel uncomfortably high but we cannot yet say that they are inappropriately high. We cannot make any legitimate value judgment, because there is not the data to know why bail is being refused or to know which of the criteria have proved definitive in a case. There are no data because the reasons for the refusal of bail are not recorded or collected in a way that allows for meaningful analysis, and without knowing why people are being remanded, it is wrong to conclude, as the then Cabinet Secretary for Justice, Michael Matheson, did, that there is “inappropriate use of remand”. Maybe there is, but absent the data we cannot say.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a Justice Committee debate on remand. I invite members who wish to speak in the debate to press their request-to-speak buttons n...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open this debate on remand on behalf of the Justice Committee and to talk about our inquiry report. When a person first appears in court, a d...
The Minister for Community Safety (Ash Denham) SNP
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in today’s debate on remand in Scotland, following the Justice Committee’s inquiry into the use of remand. I t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me, minister. If members want to make some points they should just intervene—it is much handier to do it that way, and their intervention will be in t...
Ash Denham SNP
The average remand population figures show that levels of remand have gone down in each of the past three years, from 1,525 in 2015-16 to 1,361 in 2017-18. ...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Does the minister share my view that people with mental health conditions are particularly at risk when on remand, especially if their medication is disconti...
Ash Denham SNP
Those who are taken into remand with medications are assessed at the time. However, I agree with David Stewart that there is potential for some risk to them,...
Margaret Mitchell Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Ash Denham SNP
I do not think that I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No—the minister is just coming into her last minute, at the very outside.
Ash Denham SNP
When he appeared before the Justice Committee, the previous Cabinet Secretary for Justice indicated that any new and burdensome requirements falling on our c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, you will have time in your summing-up. You have had an extra minute and a half.
Ash Denham SNP
I will address that in my summing-up, and I look forward to hearing the rest of the debate.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Liam Kerr to open the debate for the Conservative Party. 15:05
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
In order to be transparent, as a practising solicitor I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I am pleased to have the opportunit...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I agree with the member’s premise about data collection, but does he agree that the fact that 75 per cent of women on remand do not go on to receive a custod...
Liam Kerr Con
I am not sure what that is compelling evidence of. I definitely agree that that figure is highly concerning and that there is an issue there but, absent the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I should say to members, including the speakers opening the debate, that I am taking a slightly light-touch approach to time. Do not look anxious; I will let...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Duly noted, Presiding Officer. The debate is important because it gives us the opportunity to discuss prison. Prison is important and necessary; it provides...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I simply seek clarification of what I think I heard Daniel Johnson say. I think that he said that the reception of remand prisoners is 50 per cent of prisons...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Yes. For clarity, 50 per cent of the prisoners who come into a prison each day will be remand prisoners. Seventy-one per cent of people on remand under sole...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I put on record my thanks to the clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and others who helped in the production of the inquiry report and to the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We come to the open debate, with speeches of a slightly generous six minutes—that is slightly and not overwhelmingly generous. 15:27
Shona Robison (Dundee City East) (SNP) SNP
As a new member of the Justice Committee, I start by thanking those who helped to produce the report. Scotland’s justice system must be guided by evidence a...
Liam Kerr Con
I do not necessarily disagree with anything that the member has said, but does she not agree that it is important that we understand why, despite those effor...
Shona Robison SNP
I agree that we need to get to the bottom of that question, and there is more work to be done in that regard. I am sure that the Scottish Government will res...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, thank the clerks and the organisations that have provided input and evidence for the report. The use of remand must not be ignored, so I welcome this...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this important debate. I was a member of the Justice Committee when it was doing the remand inquiry, and I am pleased t...
Liam Kerr Con
The member talked about the unnecessary use of remand. How can the member know that it is unnecessary without understanding why it has been used in the first...
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I thank the member for his point and I will come to that issue. However, as he knows, from the evidence that we took at the committee we know that, although ...