Committee
Education, Children and Young People Committee 23 November 2022
23 Nov 2022 · S6 · Education, Children and Young People Committee
Item of business
National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I covered some of the primary legislation that Mr Dey has alluded to in answer to Mr Marra’s earlier question. The pieces of primary legislation in question, which are all listed in schedule 3 to the bill, relate to local authority social work functions and duties. We are in the process of identifying all the relevant Scottish statutory instruments that might be affected if those functions were to be transferred, and much of that work has already been done. Where adjustments to SSIs are needed to further reflect the transfer of functions, that can be done through the ancillary powers in section 45 of the bill. I hope that that will reassure Mr Dey a bit. I am afraid, though, that I will have to ask him to repeat the second part of his question. I must apologise for not scribbling it down.
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The Convener (Sue Webber)
Con
Good morning, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2022 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Stephen Kerr. T...
The Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care (Kevin Stewart)
SNP
Good morning. Thank you very much, convener, for having Ms Haughey and me here today. I will give an overview of our approach to the bill, and Ms Haughey wi...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Clare Haughey)
SNP
Good morning, and thank you for the committee’s invitation to be here. Mr Stewart has spoken about what we hope to achieve with this reform of Scotland’s co...
The Convener
Con
I thank you both for your opening statements. In our previous two committee meetings, we heard from an extensive list of stakeholders. No one is looking for...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
The committee can be assured that this will not become a bureaucratic nightmare. This is about improving services for people across the country. As we have a...
Iona Colvin (Scottish Government)
Thanks, Mr Stewart. The first thing to say is that the status quo will not be an option if we are to have a national care service with adult services in it. ...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Convener, I am sure that the committee has some of this information already, but we can provide more of it. There are 31 integration authorities in Scotland ...
The Convener
Con
I think that we have that information, minister, but thank you for the offer. Ms Colvin’s answer explains some of that thread, which I know that we will pick...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Convener, we have embarked on this journey towards a national care service because of Derek Feeley’s independent review of adult social care; it is not a whi...
The Convener
Con
We might well jump around with regard to some of the statements that you have just made, minister. I know that there will be questions on the issues that you...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP)
SNP
Mr Stewart, you have talked about addressing the postcode lottery and getting a service that is fit for tomorrow. We all want that, but you have also mention...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
I recognise that legislation and regulation do not necessarily change cultures. Indeed, we have examples of that in some of the very good legislation that ha...
Graeme Dey
SNP
You could have cited the Carers (Scotland) Act 2016 as another example of local delivery not living up to the expectations of the legislation. As I read it, ...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Absolutely. The week before last, I was at the carers parliament and a large amount of the questioning from the floor was about why money that had been alloc...
The Convener
Con
We move to questions from Willie Rennie.
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD)
LD
I am not sure that it is correct to brand the senior people that we have had appearing before the committee as recalcitrant and resistant to change. Claire B...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Convener—Interruption. I am sorry—does Clare Haughey want to go first?
Clare Haughey
SNP
No, no—that is all right. I will come in to address the second part of Mr Rennie’s question.
Kevin Stewart
SNP
I have not talked this morning about anybody being resistant to change—I want to put that on record. However, we sometimes have to take folk on a journey to ...
Clare Haughey
SNP
To follow on from what my colleague has said, the independent review into adult social care made recommendations that are equally applicable to children’s se...
Willie Rennie
LD
You are not looking at the whole system, though, are you? You have already decided that you are creating a national care service, which will have ramificatio...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
We are going to have a national care service to deal with adult social care.
Willie Rennie
LD
Irrespective of the conclusion on children’s services?
Kevin Stewart
SNP
That was the recommendation from the Feeley review. That is what the voices of lived experience want. That is what many stakeholders want. As we have explain...
Willie Rennie
LD
That makes my point for me—I am sorry to interrupt, Mr Stewart. You are making this up as you go along.
Kevin Stewart
SNP
Not at all.
Willie Rennie
LD
You are already deciding that you will have a big disruption, with a new law to create a national care service, but without even deciding what is going to be...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
The Government stood on a manifesto commitment of creating—
Willie Rennie
LD
Not this.
Kevin Stewart
SNP
It stood on a manifesto commitment of creating a national care service to cover adult social care. Since then, we have listened to people who have said that ...