Committee
Social Justice and Social Security Committee 02 September 2021
02 Sep 2021 · S6 · Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Item of business
Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am glad that Pam Duncan-Glancy asked that question, because it allows me to clarify that, when I talked earlier about 2025, I meant that that is when we aim to have completed case transfer. In the process of delivering Scottish carers assistance, we are looking into what eligibility changes we can make, and we are in discussions with the DWP and others on that. I talked earlier about the fact that we will be consulting this winter and we have engaged extensively with unpaid carers and organisations that represent them over the past five years to consider ways to improve social security support for unpaid carers. Through that work we have developed a series of aims for Scottish carers assistance and a range of options for change; those include considerations around the earning threshold, removing the restrictions for those in full-time education and increasing the period of time for which payments can continue following the death of a cared-for person. Those are a number of points of consideration and those options are currently undergoing detailed objective evaluation to make sure that we take forward the right combination of changes at the right time and in the right way to ensure the best outcomes for carers. The important point in Pam Duncan-Glancy’s question and my answer so far is the complex interactions between carer benefits and the reserved benefits system, which means that this bill is not the time to try to rush through changes to existing carer benefits. We need to do that through the development of Scottish carers assistance, because we need to make sure that there are no unforeseen consequences and that it can be delivered. If Parliament passes the bill, we have the finance secured and the delivery mechanism through Social Security Scotland to get the money into people’s pockets in December, which is what we want to do. We need to collectively consider as a Parliament how we support carers more widely in the development of Scottish carers assistance. I will conclude with some information that I hope will be helpful in answer to your question. At this stage, we continue to make good progress on the launch of Scottish carers assistance. We have finished pre-discovery work with the DWP and have made sure that we have a full understanding of current carers allowance processes. There is a question around processes and delivery and we need to make sure that agencies can successfully get resources to people in a practical way. As I said, we are about to commence, in the next quarter, feasibility work on how we will deliver Scottish carers assistance. Our aim is to begin build for Scottish carers assistance in the new year, and we expect a minimum of 18 months of build. All that work needs to go in to ensure that the systems are effective and there is robust delivery. Given the complex interactions between carer benefits and the reserved benefits system, we need to be cognisant of that. I hope that that reassures Pam Duncan-Glancy that work is being undertaken at pace and that we are looking to make a difference for unpaid carers in Scotland as quickly as we can. Does Kate Thomson-McDermott want to come in with any further points on that, if I have not covered everything that should be said?
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The Convener
SNP
Our main item of business consists of two evidence-taking sessions on the Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill. I put on record my thanks to everyone...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con)
Con
Good morning to the panel. I hope that you can hear me. Does the doubling up of the money go far enough to help carers, particularly after the past 18 month...
Fiona Collie (National Carer Organisations)
It is important to say how much we welcome the proposal to double the carers allowance supplement. That is an important recognition of the huge contribution ...
Salena Begley (Family Fund)
The parent carers whom I spoke to welcomed the additional payment and its timing. Carers have additional costs throughout the year, but we know that winter a...
Colin Toal (Lanarkshire Carers)
The next tranche of money in December 2021 will be welcome, but it has been delayed for too long after the previous additional tranche. I am trying to reflec...
Jeremy Balfour
Con
Thank you all for those answers. I will follow up with my final question. The doubling of the carers allowance supplement is not a permanent fixture, but do...
Fiona Collie
Yes. We heard from carers through the survey that they thought that the increase—the doubling of the carers allowance supplement—should be permanent. We woul...
Salena Begley
Given the demands on carers during the winter months—particularly over Christmas—the parent carers whom we support are likely to welcome the doubling being a...
Colin Toal
I agree with both speakers. Basically, in the situation of being an unpaid carer, the time horizon that you are looking to survive for runs from month to mon...
The Convener
SNP
Thanks, Colin. That is very helpful. I also thank Jeremy Balfour. The next set of questions is from Pam Duncan-Glancy. 09:15
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the organisations for their submissions, and the people whom they represent—unpaid carers across Scotland. They have done an incredible amount of wor...
The Convener
SNP
We will go in reverse order this time and start with Colin, then move on to Salena and Fiona.
Colin Toal
The carers allowance is totally swallowed up by the costs of general care. I cared for my mother. The allowance was not for me but to provide help to get to ...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you, Colin. That is good insight.
Salena Begley
Thank you for the question. I cannot comment specifically on what amount would be preferred or needed, but I know what the carers whom we spoke to told us. O...
Fiona Collie
I would definitely say that the amount is not sufficient. We have talked for many years about the low level of carers allowance. Although the supplement has ...
The Convener
SNP
Do you have any more questions, Pam?
Pam Duncan-Glancy
Lab
Yes—I have just one more. I thank the witnesses for their answers to my previous question. I really appreciated them. How many of the people with whom you w...
Colin Toal
I defer to the professionals on that.
Salena Begley
I am not sure of the exact proportion, but in our previous family survey in Scotland, 66 per cent of respondents were in receipt of carers allowance. Our mai...
Fiona Collie
We can probably come back with more data, but the allowance certainly does not touch all carers who experience poverty. We know some things. For example, we...
The Convener
SNP
That would be very helpful—thank you.
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con)
Con
I want to carry on with the theme that all the witnesses have touched on: carers who are not entitled to payments. Specifically, I want to look at the issue ...
Salena Begley
We know from our research on the impact of the pandemic on families of disabled children that there has been a negative impact on the health and wellbeing of...
Fiona Collie
The research that Carers Trust Scotland undertook with young carers and young adult carers reflects exactly what Salena Begley said. Young people are caring ...
Colin Toal
I said that I did not have anything to say in response to Pam Duncan-Glancy’s supplementary question. However, when I carried out my caring role, my difficul...
The Convener
SNP
Lanarkshire Carers is based in my Airdrie and Shotts constituency and I can confirm that it does excellent work.
Salena Begley
I want to reflect briefly on the findings of our research. Almost nine in 10 families—87 per cent—reported that the pandemic had negatively impacted on their...
Miles Briggs
Con
Thanks very much for those answers. We know that, during the pandemic, more than 300,000 of our fellow Scots have become carers and have taken up a caring r...
Colin Toal
To be honest, during the 2019-20 period, the additional benefits of respite care did not come into my mind. My sole consideration was my mum and making her l...