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The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2020
Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to speak in the stage 1 debate on the Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill, which is a committee bill. The Government has always been clear that data, statistics and evidence are at the heart of policy decisions. As the convener alluded to, o...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2020
Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I thank Mr Wightman for his intervention. On the latter point, I have clearly stated our position, and I appreciate the nuance with which Mr Wightman articulates his point. The committee is examining the question of pre-release access in principl...
The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP Committee
11 Mar 2020
Subordinate Legislation
As the committee will know, the spring budget revision provides the final opportunity to formally amend the Scottish budget for 2019-20. This year’s spring budget revision deals with four different types of amendments to the budget. First, there are a few funding changes. Seco...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2019
European Union Citizens’ Rights
Adam Tomkins should consider what people from outwith the EU have experienced as a result of the hostile environment policies that have been applied to asylum seekers and others—at Dungavel, for example. On immigration policy, he should also consider the fact that, in recent d...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2020
Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry, but I am pressed for time. The bill’s intention to remove pre-release access, at least somewhat, seems political, and the bill fails to acknowledge and honour the statistical arrangements that the Scottish Government adheres to, whereby ministers accept profession...
The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
16 Dec 2020
Supporting EU, EEA and Swiss Citizens to Stay in Scotland
Friday is international migrants day, which is a day on which we all have the opportunity to reflect on the circumstances and contributions of those who have chosen to migrate to and from different places around the globe and a day for us to recognise and respect the rights of...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
01 Oct 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
I know that there is a shared interest around the table in our college sector thriving. For completeness, it is important to emphasise that I cannot discuss the specific circumstances of certain institutions that are in commercial negotiations, as those matters are subject to ...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
01 Oct 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
In a constrained financial envelope of devolved spending, the Government has not only provided free tuition but supported our institutions through some pretty turbulent times—the pandemic, Brexit and, prior to that, austerity. I know that you are looking at pre-budget scrutiny...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2019
European Union Citizens’ Rights
The rights of British citizens elsewhere in the EU are incredibly important, which is why I met representatives of British in Europe to hear their perspective. However, very early on in the Brexit process, the UK Government drew a red line when it came to that issue, which was...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
01 Oct 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
I listened to the earlier exchange between Mr Briggs and the SFC on clawback, and I know that there has been an interest in that issue throughout the pre-budget scrutiny. I note and will consider the points that Mr Greer has raised. I am not going to say any more on it just no...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP Committee
30 Oct 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Good morning. I want to go back to capital matters for a moment, and I also have a question on revenue. With regard to capital, I note the statements in paragraph 12 of Police Scotland’s submission about “securing multi-year funding commitments from Scottish Government, the ...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
30 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25
I have a brief supplementary question. Heating our buildings in an energy-efficient and environmentally friendly way is one of the biggest challenges that we face in meeting our targets. Most people in Scotland live in urban constituencies, such as the one that I represent. I ...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
31 Jan 2018
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
No. I want to get on to an important point, as I have limited time. Last year, Edinburgh was voted the second-best city in the world for quality of life and Scotland as a whole has been ranked as the best place to live in the UK for quality of life. Talented and well-motivate...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
26 Feb 2020
Subordinate Legislation
The Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Tax Rates and Tax Bands) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2020 provides for the changes to land and buildings transaction tax non-residential leases that were set out in the 2020-21 Scottish budget on 6 February. The order introduces a new ra...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
30 Sep 2021
Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Pam Duncan-Glancy is right that, as a Government, we want to target our support at those who need it most, which is why we have committed to and brought forward the bill, which will enable us to pay a double supplement in December and give that added support. We have secured t...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP Committee
06 Nov 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Good morning, and thank you for your evidence so far and for your submissions. The written submission from the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service states that the organisation “is committed to reducing resource needs as pandemic recovery progresses, and reflecting effi...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
01 Oct 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
Obviously, I am not going to be able to tell you the quantum now, because the Scottish Government cannot form its budget as we will not know what the UK Government budget is until 28 November. There is an internal process to go through—
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
07 Mar 2019
European Union Settlement Scheme
My understanding is that the matter became a live issue in the negotiations only because it was one of the Prime Minister’s red lines. If the UK Government had shown leadership—ethical leadership, in particular—by securing the rights of EU citizens, she could have encouraged t...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2020
Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank colleagues for what has been an important debate at a time when questions of governance have rarely been more pertinent, although there has perhaps been some hyperbole on all sides. The reason for our position on the issue is that we believe that the governance and op...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2020
Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I appreciate Mr Johnson’s view, but the chief statistician has emphasised that he believes that the current arrangements work well and strike the correct balance. That was his evidence to the committee. For reasons of which we are all too aware, increased weight and value hav...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
04 Mar 2020
Scottish Rate Resolution
I point out to Murdo Fraser that, as he mentioned, without our approach there would be £46 million less to spend on key public services such as health, education, justice and local government, all of which are important for the delivery of public services on the ground and mee...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
22 Dec 2022
Point of Order · Local Government (Jobs and Services)
As the member will be aware, the Scottish Government’s budget has been impacted very detrimentally, to the tune of £1.7 billion, by the inflationary pressures that were caused by the previous Chancellor of the Exchequer’s mini-budget in the autumn. In such challenging circumst...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
In the bill, a managing agent is a training provider, and I value the important role that training providers and managing agents play in the current system. I would also be interested in having further engagement, and I do appreciate the constructive engagement that we had fro...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
21 Jan 2026
Budget Scrutiny 2026-27
I have had good engagement with Universities Scotland in recent weeks on the budget and on the legislation that the Parliament passed yesterday. It is fair to say that Universities Scotland would have liked more resource in the budget, but I think that it is a fair settlement,...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
09 Oct 2019
Portfolio Question Time · Culture and Heritage (Engagement by Young People from Disadvantaged Backgrounds)
As the cabinet secretary Fiona Hyslop indicated in the chamber during portfolio questions on 12 September and at the Culture, Tourism, Europe and External Affairs Committee’s pre-budget scrutiny meeting on 26 September, we have deferred the introduction of the fund as budget c...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
30 Oct 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
I appreciate that. There is the wider context of the reduction in the Scottish Government’s capital budget, and I am sure that we would all hope that the chancellor will address at least some of that today. However, once you have had further dialogue with Scottish Government o...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
06 Nov 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Quite rightly, you have emphasised the reality of the backlog of the pandemic implications. Thanks for emphasising that. Before Mr Graham comes in, I invite you both to respond to one further point. Yesterday, the Public and Commercial Services Union published a report that...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Committee
01 Oct 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
Thank you very much for the warm welcome, convener. It is really good to be back at the committee. Not so long ago, I was at the table in a different capacity for about a year. In recent times, I have been on the Criminal Justice Committee and have been unable to observe every...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
01 Oct 2025
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27
I would have to take that away and look at it in more detail. We know that the financial transaction budget for the Scottish Government has been massively slashed in previous financial years, and that has had consequences not just in this portfolio but elsewhere. I will take t...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP Chamber
31 Jan 2018
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
Last week, I visited two primary schools in my constituency. As I was there, meeting the teachers and chatting to some of the children, I thought about how young people of primary school age across Scotland have grown up in a context of on-going Westminster austerity. That is ...
The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP Chamber
04 Mar 2020
Scottish Rate Resolution
Today, the Scottish Parliament votes to set all rates and bands for Scottish income tax. This is our opportunity—together—to use the powers of the Parliament to continue our progressive approach to income tax. The Cabinet Secretary for Finance has written to the Presiding Offi...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
07 Oct 2021
Carer’s Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Okay—I retract that statement and apologise for that inaccuracy. However, what I was going on to say was that somebody of Jackie Baillie’s experience and knowledge of the fiscal framework will appreciate the relationship between our income tax powers and the block grant, and t...
Ben Macpherson SNP Chamber
26 May 2022
Social Security Benefits
Miles Briggs has raised an important point. The budget position will be set out through the medium-term financial strategy and the positions that the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy will take and set out to the Parliament in the period ahead, and, collectively, w...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
15 Dec 2022
Subordinate Legislation
I appreciate the questions, and I listened to Frazer Scott’s evidence last week. We have deliberately built into these regulations the capacity to pay a higher sum in future years if the Government is financially able to do that. That would require a change to the regulations—...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP Committee
21 Jan 2026
Budget Scrutiny 2026-27
This is a really important area of consideration. The college sector has warmly welcomed the budget. That view has been articulated by Gavin Donoghue, and I have spoken to a number of principals since the budget was announced who have made similar statements or given their vie...
The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP Committee
19 Aug 2020
Subordinate Legislation
Thank you, convener, and good morning, everybody. The order provides for the temporary changes to the land and buildings transaction tax rates and bands that were announced by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance on 9 July. It increases the starting rate for residential LBTT fro...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP Committee
20 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny
Good morning, all. I will build on what my colleague Michelle Thomson asked about. Thinking back to before the Verity house agreement, in recent years, one of the main reasons for ring fencing and direction was because of political pressure being applied on the Scottish Govern...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
20 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny
I am familiar with the best value report process and the considerations thereafter around how the Government and, in this instance, the education inspectorate should engage with the specific local authority, both at a political level and an official level. It seems that you ha...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
20 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny
Thank you, both, for your reflections. That is helpful.
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
20 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny
I want to build on what Ruth Maguire asked. The answer from Dr Hutchison and the elaboration from Carrie Lindsay on teacher numbers was really interesting and important. I want to be absolutely clear: you think that consideration, whether in our public discourse, media comment...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
20 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny
Thank you for that emphasis and clarification.
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge
Good morning. The Government is putting in a lot of additional resource to support our young people through these challenging times, whether that is the PEF allocation, which we spoke about earlier, the Scottish child payment or free school meals. In last week’s evidence sess...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge
You talked about the wide-ranging potential positive impact of free school meals. On how we consider the policy in future, does the Government plan to evaluate the educational and wellbeing effects or, indeed, the impact on child poverty? Is there an intention to evaluate the ...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge
Indeed, those additional facilities could enable community groups to do other things in the wider community that would help to impact poverty, learning and the wider common good. For the sake of clarity, are you saying that the evaluation will consider the educational impact,...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Good morning. Building on what has been discussed already, could you elaborate on the post-school reform agenda and how it can help colleges with some of the concerns around financial sustainability this year and, potentially, future years? My other question relates to a poin...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Can you say a bit more about what that balance looks like to you? I absolutely appreciate what you said earlier about making sure that people can have a second chance by going back into education and retraining. However, as we consider the Withers report and think about how it...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Why is it flawed?
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
So, would a balance be 50:50? Would it be 70:30? What would it be?
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
I can frame my thoughts only in relation to my constituency, in which Edinburgh College is. It is a fantastic institution; I appreciate the concerns that many of your members in Edinburgh College have. I also point out that there is huge potential for net zero-related growth i...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
I am being objective.
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
I am just interested in what the balance would look like, but I am happy to move on.
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Thank you, convener. My question relates to where I finished off in the previous question theme. What growth areas might the Scottish Government and others want to focus on when looking at where colleges can have the biggest economic impact in the period ahead? 09:30
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
The most important thing that colleges do is—
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Thank you for setting that out.
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
This is a question that I have also asked the Government. Do we need to think about having more joint courses? One part of the course could be a subject that is demanded by the market and might have more employability application, while the other part could be from the arts, c...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
That is not what I was saying. I say this as a philosophy graduate. People ask, “What are you going to do with a philosophy degree?” but it teaches a person to think. That knowledge has been amassed over hundreds of years: we do not want to lose the ability to learn those subj...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
I did a joint honours degree, actually.
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Yes—just briefly. Dr Conlon, speaking objectively, in the future do we need to think more about the scenario of graduates with state-funded degrees from Scotland leaving this country and paying their taxes elsewhere? I am an internationalist: I want people to be able to go and...
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
05 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
That is what I meant.
Ben Macpherson SNP Committee
12 Jun 2024
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26
Appreciating the points that the commissioner has just made, I think that it is important to emphasise that international students not only make a contribution to our universities. Many of them stay in Scotland and are huge contributors to our economy and public services. I h...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 12 November 2020

12 Nov 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Macpherson, Ben SNP Edinburgh Northern and Leith Watch on SPTV

I am pleased to speak in the stage 1 debate on the Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill, which is a committee bill.

The Government has always been clear that data, statistics and evidence are at the heart of policy decisions. As the convener alluded to, over the past nine months, the value of statistics and data has been demonstrated as policy has needed to adapt to the latest evidence in ways that have impacted all our lives.

At the outset, I will address something that the convener mentioned and which is a question that has been raised by some external commentators about the Scottish Government’s compliance with the code of practice.

I want to be clear that the Scottish Government fully complies with the code of practice for statistics. As highlighted by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance during a previous debate on the topic, there is nothing inappropriate about pre-release access to official statistics. It is in line with legislation and is carefully managed by professional statisticians who are overseen by Scotland’s chief statistician. That was recently acknowledged by the Office for Statistics Regulation, which regularly assesses the Government’s compliance with the code of practice and legislation on pre-release access. Scottish ministers respect the professional advice that we receive. We support the professional statisticians in their view that the current, carefully controlled use of pre-release access to statistics confers benefits that outweigh the risks.

The Government prides itself on operating in an open and transparent way, and some argue that pre-release access is at odds with that. My view is that, on the contrary, pre-release access improves transparency, as it means that ministers are able to explain effectively how data and statistics have shaped policy decisions. The clear rules and principles on managing pre-release access provide a framework for professional statisticians, such that the public are aware that ministers are receiving early access for a legitimate reason.

During the debate when the bill was first proposed, the committee focused on the idea that PRA gives a first-mover advantage, and the convener focused on that in his speech. I want to be clear, however, that pre-release access is not granted solely to Scottish ministers. There has been long-standing pre-release access to relevant official statistics for, among other organisations, the Scotland Office, HM Treasury, Scottish local authorities, Police Scotland and national health service boards.

I appreciate that there are differing views on the matter, and I respect them. I look forward to engaging with members across the chamber—both today and beyond, if the bill passes stage 1—on the way in which the Government considers pre-release access to be important for informed debate and policy decisions.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-23289, in the name of Gordon Lindhurst, on the Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill....
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
Why raise the same issue in November 2018, in September 2019 and again today? Why, given the no shortage of other problems in the world, persist with a focus...
The Minister for Public Finance and Migration (Ben Macpherson) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the stage 1 debate on the Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Bill, which is a committee bill. The Government has ...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The minister has mentioned a series of bodies to which statistics are released in a pre-release form. In a sense, however, that does not get to the nub of th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time in hand, minister, so that intervention does not impact on your speaking time.
Ben Macpherson SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I thank Mr Wightman for his intervention. On the latter point, I have clearly stated our position, and I appreciate the nuance...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
In its written evidence to the committee, the Royal Statistical Society’s opinion was that reform “would be warmly welcomed by all those committed to statis...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
The convener started by reading out a list. I will do likewise to make the point that all the experts agree. The minister said that we should follow the advi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes, please. I have a little time in hand for interventions. 16:32
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful to take part in the debate, as I was involved in the topic as deputy convener of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee at that time, and ...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I will immediately respond to one part of Jackie Baillie’s contribution. There is no “secrecy” about any of the statistics that are part of this debate. The ...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
Official statistics are important in all democracies, enabling us to hold our Governments to account, no matter what party we are in or who is in power. It i...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
First, I have to say that I regret the personal attacks with which the Opposition came in today on members who are not here and who cannot defend themselves....
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Lyle SNP
No, I will not. The member lost that right when he started personal attacks on people. He will not interrupt. It is better—
Daniel Johnson Lab
On a point of order, Deputy Presiding Officer. I urge the member to clarify his statement. He has just made the serious allegation that I have besmirched the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That is not a point of order. Would Mr Lyle like to respond before he moves on?
Richard Lyle SNP
They can give it out but they cannot take it. My comment was not aimed at Daniel Johnson. It is better that ministers are involved in the orderly release of...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It can be difficult when we are in a hybrid situation, because the system does not allow interventions when people are taking part remotely. Sometimes, that ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Ben Macpherson said that the debate is a distraction. I do not think that it is a distraction. It is an important debate because it gets to the heart of the ...
John Mason SNP
I take James Kelly’s point, but how would the PRA affect those figures about poverty in Glasgow?
James Kelly Lab
It is a fair point, which I will address as I go through my speech. I commend the committee for introducing the Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (S...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
We have heard some away-with-the-fairies speeches this afternoon. It is strange that pre-release access to Government statistics was enjoyed for eight years...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the member give way?
Willie Coffey SNP
No, thank you. The chief statistician also said that pre-release access has been working well since the 2008 order, and long before it; that the Scottish Go...
Andy Wightman Green
Will the member give way?
Willie Coffey SNP
No, I have hardly any time left—my apologies. It is part of the day job that ministers do for the whole country. People expect them to get facts and figures...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am not a member of the committee that has introduced the bill, and I defer to other members who clearly know far more about it than I do. Nevertheless, I a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the closing speeches. 17:04
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I thank the committee, not just because I had the pleasure of taking part in one of its evidence sessions when I was a substitute member, but because the iss...