Committee
Public Petitions Committee 10 February 2021
10 Feb 2021 · S5 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
Continued Petitions
Polypropylene Mesh Medical Devices (PE1517)
I know exactly what you mean. I have wrestled with the matter ever since the petition first came to us, when I started on the committee. I have listened to the debates in chamber. I met some of the women when they came to Parliament and was struck by their bravery and determination to see the matter through to a conclusion. I have absolutely no doubt that there should be some sort of compensation fund. The women need to be given that respect. I want to thank our three visiting MSPs, whose evidence is very important to us. I agree that it is very difficult now for the women to trust the surgeons in Scotland, and I question whether they will want to participate in the proposed centre. Many have said that they are not happy about it and are not happy with the way the Government included them in discussions. I agree that there has been a complete breakdown of trust. Dr Veronikis’s evidence last year was devastating. We had a very good discussion with him. He is at a loss to understand why the procedure is still being used. Unfortunately, bridges have been burned in relation to getting him over here, so I believe that getting the women over to him is the only possibility that we are left with. As for how that can happen, convener, I am with you; I do not believe that it should take a petition for it to happen. It should be happening anyway, but—as the convener asked—can we achieve that through the petition, because the matter is not included in it? We now have to make a difficult decision. Do we keep the petition open in order to address the specific points that have not been addressed? I also agree that a public inquiry should be front and centre. To close the petition would sound as though we have addressed everything, but we absolutely have not, and we know that. However, if we are going to fight for compensation, or for funding for the women to go to America for the procedures, there will need to be another petition. Should we continue the petition and monitor what the Government has said is happening with the patient safety commissioner, the Health and Social Care Alliance, and so on, or should we close it and ask the petitioners to come back with a more focused petition on a public inquiry and compensation to get them back the money that they have spent—their life savings—on going to America? I think that the latter would be more effective. I look to my committee colleagues for their opinions, but I think that we would get further with a new and more focused petition.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Johann Lamont)
Lab
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the third meeting of the Public Petitions Committee in 2021. This meeting is being held virtually. I will be participatin...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con)
Con
The petition has both international and national significance. I understand that it has been running since the previous session of Parliament, when I was a m...
The Convener
Lab
Thank you very much. I welcome John Scott, who has now joined us, but I will call on Neil Findlay first.
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
Frankly, the petition came forward out of the exasperation of the Scottish mesh campaigners. Working with them over the years, we tried every parliamentary a...
The Convener
Lab
I call John Scott.
John Scott (Ayr) (Con)
Con
Thank you, convener, and I apologise for my late arrival. I want to complement what has been said by Jackson Carlaw and Neil Findlay and will begin by sayin...
The Convener
Lab
Thank you very much. There is no doubt about the extent to which the survivors’ accounts have had an impact on anyone who has heard what has happened, includ...
Gail Ross (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
SNP
I know exactly what you mean. I have wrestled with the matter ever since the petition first came to us, when I started on the committee. I have listened to ...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
I fully agree with most of what my colleague, Gail Ross, has just said. I thank my fellow MSPs—Neil Findlay, Jackson Carlaw and John Scott—who gave some very...
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
SNP
As a member of the Public Petitions Committee in the previous session of Parliament, I am deeply disappointed that the matter has not been resolved by now. W...
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
We have all experienced the evidence that has been given by groups with vested interests in the petition. Medical treatments and the like are all to do with ...
The Convener
Lab
Thank you very much. Neil Findlay wants to come back in.
Neil Findlay
Lab
I want to advise that there has been zero contact with Dr Veronikis since the cabinet secretary previously commented. I think that the matter could have been...
Gail Ross
SNP
I totally get where Neil Findlay is coming from. In mentioning a new petition, I absolutely do not want to put these women through anything that repeats what...
The Convener
Lab
What we are wrestling with here is not whether we think these women have been treated badly or that there is a great deal more to do. On balance, the committ...
Maurice Corry
Con
I am moved by Neil Findlay’s points about pushing on with the key issues with the Scottish Government, which follow on from my question and my great concern ...
David Torrance
SNP
Neil Findlay mentioned that it would be time consuming to write a new petition and to bring it to a new Parliament. Could the clerks give the petitioners a h...
The Convener
Lab
It is important to remember that clerks do work with petitioners to make sure that their petitions meet all the criteria, and they would be supportive. Howev...
John Scott
Con
Thank you very much, convener, for letting me come back in. I, too, pay tribute to the work of the clerks over many years, not just on this petition but gene...
The Convener
Lab
My sense is that the significance of the petition and the progress that it has made so far is such that we do not want to let it go. We would not want anybod...
Gail Ross
SNP
Given how important the issue is, and the timescales that we are looking at, if we are going to write to the cabinet secretary, we should definitely mention ...
Tom Mason
Con
I worry a little about parts of what have been suggested about an inquiry. The danger of inquiries is that they look backwards and can become a blame game. W...
The Convener
Lab
People always have to balance the arguments when they look to have a public inquiry. Does an inquiry take resources that could be used in another way? There ...