Committee
Local Government and Regeneration Committee 05 October 2011
05 Oct 2011 · S4 · Local Government and Regeneration Committee
Item of business
Draft Budget 2012-13 and Spending Review 2011
I, too, am a member of Fife Council, at present.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Joe FitzPatrick)
SNP
I welcome everyone to the seventh meeting in 2011 of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee in this session. As usual, I ask everyone to ensure that...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I am a member of North Lanarkshire Council.
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
SNP
I am a member of Fife Council.
Bill Walker (Dunfermline) (SNP)
SNP
I, too, am a member of Fife Council, at present.
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
SNP
I am a member of Aberdeen City Council.
The Convener
SNP
I thank members for that. I will kick off with a general question. Will panel members briefly outline what they consider to be the main issues for local gove...
Jenny Stewart (KPMG)
I run KPMG’s public sector business in Scotland and I am part of our United Kingdom leadership team, so I have a view of what is happening in local governmen...
The Convener
SNP
How can we tease out whether variations in spending are down to efficiencies, inefficiencies or demand?
Jenny Stewart
The detail is not great, as ever, and there is a lot of work to do on that. However, there is a clear framework around which we can ask why there are differe...
Kevin Stewart
SNP
That was interesting. The committee has talked a lot about how difficult it can be to benchmark, because sometimes we are comparing apples with oranges. In y...
Jenny Stewart
Yes—it is true that there is an issue about whether data are comparable on a like-for-like basis. However, problems with data should not stop us trying to as...
Bob Christie (National Community Planning Group)
Thank you. I will talk about that from the perspective of the national community planning group, which comprises local authority chief executives, national h...
Fiona Kordiak (Audit Scotland)
Some of the points that I will make on behalf of Audit Scotland are similar to points that Jenny Stewart made. There are clear challenges in the budget for l...
David Torrance
SNP
I want to talk about preventative spend. Over the next three years, the Government will spend some £500 million on three funds. What areas of local governmen...
Jenny Stewart
There were quite a lot of questions there. Will you go over what you asked? You asked about outcomes.
David Torrance
SNP
How can we measure outcomes? We often throw money at things but do not get outcomes. What areas of local government would be best to take work forward? How c...
Jenny Stewart
I am sorry, but I should have mentioned at the outset that I am a director of Volunteer Development Scotland and of the Royal Lyceum Theatre Co Ltd. Obviousl...
Bob Christie
There is a challenge in measuring outcomes. Right from the start of the single outcome agreement process, it was recognised that that was going to be a huge ...
Fiona Kordiak
At its simplest level, measuring outcomes is pretty straightforward—for example, educational attainment improves or health improves—but there is a need to ge...
David Torrance
SNP
I want to go back to the point about keeping people in their own environment. Why have local authorities been so slow to take up initiatives such as telecare...
Jenny Stewart
I can send you heaps of stuff on telecare and telehealth. We are trying to widen the definition so that we are looking across the whole piece—taking the indi...
Bill Walker
SNP
Like David Torrance, I am a Fife councillor.The question that I had intended to ask has mostly been answered, but I have a supplementary about Jenny Stewart’...
Jenny Stewart
The holy grail of outcome-based budgeting is being able to know that if you put £10 in one place you will get X amount of output in another. As we know, howe...
Bob Christie
The challenge of knowing what works chimes very well with the three key challenges that Fiona Kordiak identified and which I will, if I may, summarise. First...
Bill Walker
SNP
At a national level, everyone has agreed that preventative spend is a good thing. We need to separate out preventative spend, with regard to the causal links...
Fiona Kordiak
It is always a good idea to ask users what works. Sometimes they will give you a different answer from the one that you expected.
Kevin Stewart
SNP
That leads me on to my question. Jenny Stewart mentioned priority-based budgeting and Fiona Kordiak spoke about consulting with communities over a long perio...
The Convener
SNP
It is good when our witnesses work as a team.
Bob Christie
Aberdeen faced financial pressures on a scale that we are only now beginning to appreciate throughout the rest of Scotland, and we can learn from it. The Imp...
Mark Griffin
Lab
What are panel members’ views on the financial and accountability issues that local government will face as a result of the draft budget proposals on council...