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Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
04 Feb 2016
Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I speak on behalf of the Scottish Labour Party and in support of the Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I acknowledge the significant effort of Dr Richard Simpson to develop the bill, and his commitment over the years to using h...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
28 Feb 2013
Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As someone who is not a member of the committee, I am delighted to be speaking in the debate. I wish the minister well in seeing his first bill through Parliament successfully. In spite of some divided opinions shared with the Rural Affairs, Climate Change and Environment Comm...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
19 Nov 2013
Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
When we considered amendments to the bill at our previous meeting, I rehearsed for the committee the evidence that we had received from victims and the general wisdom out there about the treatment that many—although not all—victims and witnesses currently receive in our courts...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
12 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
As you will know, I am relatively new to the committee. Before I decide whether to accept your offer and withdraw the amendment, I would like to understand whether or not we can engage in a discussion but lodge similar amendments at stage 3. If I am able to do that, I am more ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
17 Jun 2014
Courts Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have heard all that has been said by committee members and by the minister, and I take due consideration of it. The changes that the bill proposes are very significant, as we all appreciate. They will affect many ordinary people in the years ahead, many of whom will have no ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Nov 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Labour supports the approach that has been taken at stage 1. Wills and inheritance are an important issue and I am grateful to Nigel Don and the DPLR Committee for taking on an undoubtedly daunting task in dealing with complex—and, in some areas, controversial—issues. The fac...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
19 Nov 2015
Community Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to contribute to this stage 1 debate and I am happy to reiterate Labour members’ support for the principles that lie behind the stage 1 report. Much has been said around the chamber to suggest that members have reservations about some issues; I hope to visit some...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
14 Mar 2012
Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The views that I have expressed thus far are based on my experience of nearly 40 years in law enforcement. The member is familiar with the debates that have taken place in the Parliament and I hope that he accepts that, although we may separate in our views on the way forward,...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
13 Mar 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to cover two areas. One follows on from our discussion with the earlier panel on how to resolve the tension between national interest and local demand. You were in the public gallery earlier, so you will have heard the views that were expressed about where conflict and ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
04 Sep 2012
Scottish Civil Justice Council and Criminal Legal Assistance Bill: Stage 1
My question follows on from some of the points that David McLetchie has made. There has been a lot of conversation in the committee about members appointed by the Lord President and what that means. Although you have indicated that you do not want to identify particular groups...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
24 May 2012
Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Bill
I thank Jackie Baillie for covering most of the ground on the thinking behind Labour’s approach to the bill. Equally, I thank Sandra White and Bob Doris, who have outlined many of the problems on which the bill seeks to deliver.In that context, it is unkind of the cabinet secr...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
14 May 2013
Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
There is a more substantive issue in which I have a particular interest. We have received powerful evidence from all the victims concerned to suggest that—as I described at a previous committee meeting—they feel like a parcel in the post. They are constantly being addressed an...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
28 Feb 2013
Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I concur with the member’s suggestion. Equally, however, I am sure that he would acknowledge that organised crime will seek profit wherever it can. The amendments that have been suggested are therefore essential.I hope that by working with the industry and other relevant agenc...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
14 Jan 2014
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Cabinet secretary, you mentioned the Cadder decision, which was taken by the Supreme Court, of which Lord Hope was a member. Lord Hope gave the judgment and has recently gone public in indicating that he thought that the current Administration’s approach to corroboration and i...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
12 Nov 2013
Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
In the evidence that we received at stage 1 from witnesses and victims who were involved in court procedures, I was certainly impressed—I am sure that others were impressed, too—by the feelings of impotence and almost abuse that witnesses and victims felt, whether rightly or w...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
19 Nov 2013
Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 93 seeks to ensure that, at the time of sentencing in the courts, victims and their families are made aware of the earliest date of release for the prisoner.Evidence from victims and witnesses at stage 1 indicated the confusion that they faced when they heard an accu...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
12 Dec 2013
Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I acknowledge and support amendment 28, in the name of Margaret Mitchell. Throughout the evidence that we heard in the Justice Committee, it became apparent that there were two worlds out there. One of those was the world of victims, who came to speak to the committee in a dee...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
07 Oct 2014
Courts Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendments 14 and 15 are aimed at addressing the overriding objective of the bill. Amendment 14 seeks to place court users at the centre of the rule-making process and, indeed, the overall operation of the courts. If amendment 14 is not accepted, I will move amendment 15 as a ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
07 Oct 2014
Courts Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 16 seeks to enable members to debate thoroughly the issues that surround the situation that we are debating with regard to section 102. The purpose of amendment 17 is to establish a presumption in favour of sanction for counsel for victims of work-related injuries an...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
21 May 2014
Courts Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you for allowing me to contribute this afternoon, Presiding Officer. I am pleased that section 69 of the Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Act 2013 has been mentioned on at least two occasions this afternoon. The onerous responsibilities placed on litigants in pursuing c...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
19 Nov 2015
Community Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I accept that. Certainly, when I was a Justice Committee member, we met men and women in prison who had suffered the experience of becoming institutionalised and, because of that, were frightened to return to general society. A way forward would be a commitment from the minis...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
19 Jan 2016
Apologies (Scotland) Bill
Many members around the chamber have quite properly acknowledged Margaret Mitchell’s hard work and persistence in following through with the bill: introducing it, shepherding it through committee and having negotiations on it with the Government. Her compromise at key moments ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
04 Feb 2016
Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I would like to think that, by the end of the debate—short as it is—there will be support for the general principles of the bill at stage 1 so that it can be examined further at stages 2 and 3. 17:41
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Feb 2016
Community Justice (Scotland) Bill
I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the debate. First of all, I will allude to a number of the key points that were raised during the earlier stage 3 amendments debate. Alison McInnes, Elaine Murray and others made the important point that dealing with offending...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
23 Jun 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I acknowledge the convener of the Justice Committee’s even-handed account of the work done by the committee in the past couple of days. She is quite right—and the minister knows—that although this is a short bill, as today’s debate has demonstrated, big issues lie behind the w...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
23 Jun 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I invite the minister to display her skills in openness, accessibility and listening and to go away and think seriously about the reservations that have been expressed. The Scottish Police Federation said:“the financial memorandum is way off the mark”.—Official Report, Justice...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
30 Jun 2011
Scotland Bill (Supreme Court)
I obviously recognise that the decisions taken by the Supreme Court are of fundamental import to Scots law, but the issues arising from the Cadder decision were flagged up earlier by a decision in relation to a Turkish case. That should have been acknowledged and acted on much...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
22 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
In view of Humza Yousaf’s remark that there needs to be positive engagement with the bill and that silence will be judged afterwards, I feel that I need to comment. I had no intention of saying any more than James Kelly has already said, but I will associate myself with some o...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
22 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
A committee member’s comments this week on the committee’s confused position and lack of clarity did the committee no service. I have made my position clear right from the outset and thought that in doing so I had used straightforward language. We might disagree on the way for...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 Dec 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill
First, I associate myself with the comments of David McLetchie about the responsibility of the clubs. I remind Christine Grahame that we raised the matter at an earlier stage of the bill, and that we on the Labour benches are focusing strongly on it.The SNP Government is to be...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
31 Jan 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You should have gone to Specsavers.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Jan 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thought that I had seen some, but it escaped me for a while. Nevertheless, I am very pleased to have listened to the discussion and to realise that I am not alone in the darkness.I have two questions that are connected to the issue of the public’s confidence in and understan...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Jan 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am thinking more of the court process and the administration of justice.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Jan 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My second question is probably one of the daft-laddie questions that I often come up with at our meetings. Is it not possible that the judge could indicate an earliest date of release at the point of judgment and sentencing? At present, there is a notional sentence, but everyb...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Jan 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a question on gathering of information. Let us suppose that the people who are party to a case have agreed that you can have the information. The bill seems to state that you must not, thereafter, automatically disclose it to the public in releasing your case analysis. ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Jan 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You have answered my supplementary question. Thank you.
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
07 Feb 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Unfortunately, I am not.In our previous discussions, we were concerned about public confidence in our system and about trying to understand some of the issues to which James Chalmers has alluded. Individually, we have repeatedly acknowledged around the table that the process i...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
21 Feb 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The committee found it difficult to understand the logic and thought processes that you have just explained so well. My question is about the process. When the introduction of the bill was being considered, was it thought possible that a judge could decide, on the day, the ear...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
21 Feb 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Will those discussions come back to the Parliament in the foreseeable future? Is that the longer-term solution?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
21 Feb 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have two points. On the matter that you have just alluded to, is it feasible that some form of aide-mémoire could be created for witnesses and victims so that in the cold light of day, after the event, they would have the chance to read things over? I do not think that many ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
21 Feb 2012
Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We are told that a book will be published later in the year, which, by all accounts, will rehearse many of the issues to do with disclosure that you are struggling with. Do you have a view on the Government’s current inability to release information, given that a private indiv...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I suppose that I should state my personal background. I was previously a police officer and a member of ACPOS and, as a result, I have a particular interest in these matters.Following on from what Mr Smith has just said, it occurs to me that day 1 is April fool’s day. If we we...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Let me deal with what you have just said, first. It is one thing to say that the Government wants to maintain 17,234 officers. However, is the subtext therefore that we should just get rid of 2,000 staff? Surely the budget should come along to maintain the service, in addition...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Was it merely the timescale that prevented due diligence and a gateway review?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
May I ask Andrea Quinn a question, convener?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My question is about the types of people who would be released from the civilian side of things or the support side, as it is sometimes described. Do police officers necessarily have the skills to replace the expertise that would be released through redundancies?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Have any police officers replaced some of the 1,000 staff who have already disappeared? Are you saying that no police officers have been redirected?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a quick question on the connection between local accountability and national governance. I do not imagine that there will be huge conflicts at the local level, but how will concerns that develop at the local boards be represented at the national board level? Has there b...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
No options have been offered in the exchange with the Executive.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am obliged. Thank you.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
One of the virtues of the current set-up is that joint boards operate in public, so the public are able to access their discussions and hear what is going on, but the bill is silent about that in terms of both national and local accountability. One presumes that the local boar...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I just want it on the record.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Definitely.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thanks, convener. I know that you appreciate that we are dealing with a very important issue. It deserves the time that we are allocating to it.We have spent a great deal of time talking about redundancy issues and so forth, but a major part of ACPOS’s submission is about oper...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In fairness, you mixed up identities in your first response to David McLetchie about policing by consent, when you talked about Parliament directing. In fact, as far as the bill is concerned, it is the Government that directs, and Parliament has very little oversight. Given th...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As a panel, would you welcome that?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You mentioned the 35-year low. You will know that, in America, crime is at a 43-year low and that, across Europe, crime figures are plummeting. No one has an explanation for that. In the American context, crime is still going down, even though there is a depression.I did not a...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you.
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 04 February 2016

04 Feb 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I speak on behalf of the Scottish Labour Party and in support of the Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I acknowledge the significant effort of Dr Richard Simpson to develop the bill, and his commitment over the years to using his knowledge and experience to improve how Scottish culture deals with alcohol.

I am pleased that the minister acknowledged Dr Simpson’s commitment. In spite of the fact that she has said that she will not support the bill, I am also pleased that she will take full cognisance of all the aspects that Dr Simpson has brought to our attention. However, I am disappointed that she sees no virtue in supporting the bill at this stage and in allowing it to develop at stage 2 into something that will have a significant impact on our relationship with alcohol. It is important that we discuss the bill, so I am disappointed that time is short.

Only this week, the Office for National Statistics reported that Scotland has the highest rate of alcohol-related deaths in the United Kingdom. Deaths peaked in 2000. The trend has, thankfully, been downward over the following 15 years; nevertheless, approximately 20 people a week die alcohol-related deaths, which amounts to 1,152 deaths a year, of which 784 are men and 368 are women. Alcohol is no respecter of gender.

I bring it to the minister’s attention that the figures on arrests across Scotland year on year show that it is hardly ever the case that a person appears at the bar of a police station who is not under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. The impacts on Scottish society have been estimated as costing in excess of £2.47 billion per year.

The issue is urgent. As the minister acknowledged, it affects all levels of society, but as members will know, there is no doubt that people who are in poverty and in difficult circumstances are worst affected by involvement with alcohol.

Dr Simpson outlined the measures in the bill; they are proportionate and well thought through and are on issues that are deserving of legislation. We need to give a commitment and show the seriousness with which the Parliament views Scotland’s relationship with alcohol. We must acknowledge that although steps have been taken in the past five years, including the reduction in the drink-driving limit, there is much more to be done. We are losing people each year as we try to decide what to do next.

It is a disappointment that, although there is a forum for experts to gather opinion, we need to wait until later in the year before the Government can respond to that and take us to the next stage. For the five years of the current session, we have been extremely keen to have the next stage put in place.

There is no doubt that there has been a great deal of discussion—and a great deal of controversy—about minimum unit pricing. That has, unfortunately, deflected us from considering the proposals that Dr Simpson has set out: minimum pricing for packages that contain more than one alcoholic product; a restriction on the level of caffeine in alcoholic products; the banning of age discrimination in off-sales; the marking of containers such as bottles and cans so that we know where products were bought and we can support retailers in our housing estates; greater community involvement in, and influence over, decisions on the location of licensed premises; drinking banning orders; and alcohol awareness training. All those elements have been well thought through and well rehearsed, so it is disappointing that a majority of members of the committee decided that they could not support what is proposed.

Dr Simpson has indicated that he is willing to change his approach on advertising and that he is happy to drop his alcohol education policy proposals and his approach in relation to notification of an offender’s GP.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14673, in the name of Richard Simpson, on the Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Sc...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the stage 1 debate on my Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Scotland) Bill, although I regret the brevity of the t...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
I want to begin with some verse—a risky business, I suppose. “Oh, thou demon Drink, thou fell destroyer; Thou curse of society, and its greatest annoyer. ...
The Minister for Public Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
As members are aware, the Scottish Government does not support the bill progressing to stage 2, and I note from its stage 1 report that the majority of the H...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Can the minister clarify for Parliament when she expects her group of experts to report, and when will the proposals that will be drawn up on the back of tha...
Maureen Watt SNP
The conference was held in October or November last year, and we set up the network of experts in the field. They will feed in to the next part of the framew...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I speak on behalf of the Scottish Labour Party and in support of the Alcohol (Licensing, Public Health and Criminal Justice) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I ac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You must close, please.
Graeme Pearson Lab
I would like to think that, by the end of the debate—short as it is—there will be support for the general principles of the bill at stage 1 so that it can be...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I commend Richard Simpson for the tenacity that he has shown over almost four years since he lodged a draft proposal for a member’s bill to prevent and tackl...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As I am not a member of the Health and Sport Committee, members may be surprised to see me speaking. I would like to put it on the record that the deputy con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now move to closing speeches. 17:51
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, there has been a 300 per cent increase in alcohol-related liver disease mortality over the last 30 years and over 35,000 alcohol-related s...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackson Carlaw Con
No, I will not. We have a difficulty because we do not doubt Richard Simpson’s commitment over a great period—as he said, he was motivated to introduce the ...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
The member is closing.
Jackson Carlaw Con
Attitudes have to change, and it will take more than I have heard from the Government so far during this session of Parliament to make that happen. 17:55
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is with great regret that I rise to close the debate on behalf of the Labour Party. As Jackson Carlaw powerfully put it, alcohol continues to be one of th...
Christian Allard SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jenny Marra Lab
No—I will not at the moment, thank you. It seems that the Government has placed all its eggs in one basket, looking for a big-hit public health policy and t...
Maureen Watt SNP
I am grateful to parliamentary colleagues for their contributions to what has been an interesting, if short, debate. Members have complained about how short ...
Jenny Marra Lab
Will the minister give way?
Maureen Watt SNP
Not at the moment. We are doing lots. On the inequalities issue that Graeme Pearson highlighted, I note that the ratio for alcohol-related mortality rates b...
Dr Simpson Lab
I do not deny the progress that has been made since 2001—indeed, I will refer to that when I sum up—but I have a major concern about the budget, in which the...
Maureen Watt SNP
The member will be aware that some health boards were not passing on the justice-related money to the ADPs. We know that health boards can make up that fundi...
The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
You need to start to wind up, minister.
Maureen Watt SNP
We know about the pilot projects in Newcastle and in Fife. We are concerned that the widespread use of container marking would be disproportionate and we are...
The Presiding Officer NPA
You really need to wind up, minister.
Maureen Watt SNP
—and everybody should go and look at what Aberdeen has managed to do. It used to be a place where people would not go for a night out, and now it is very muc...