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Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
08 Oct 2014
Policing
It is with some disappointment that I feel the need to move this motion. It is my belief that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has abandoned his responsibilities in relation to police reform. He is tired and lacking in ideas, and he gracelessly refuses to listen, leaving a pr...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
12 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am conscious that, in the committee’s discussion of amendments to the bill, we have not been particularly successful in persuading the cabinet secretary of some of the views that we have offered to him. I hope that he will see some virtue in what I have to offer in amendment...
The Temporary Convener Lab Committee
20 Mar 2014
Local Policing
Our main item of business is an evidence session on local policing. We will hear from Deputy Chief Constable Rose Fitzpatrick and colleagues on the issues raised in written evidence and during our visits. I welcome, from Police Scotland: Deputy Chief Constable Rose Fitzpatrick...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
29 May 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will speak to amendment 183, but first I associate myself with Lewis Macdonald’s views on other amendments in the group. Given the importance of the SPA, I ask the cabinet secretary to reconsider his approach to setting out the qualities of the individuals who would be selec...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
26 Feb 2014
Justice
I am grateful for the opportunity to move the motion and speak in support of it. I note that the rather wordy amendment from the Government focuses on what we in the chamber have come to know as “operational outcomes” rather than the business of Government. I am sure that we w...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
05 Dec 2012
Policing
The cabinet secretary will remember that I first went to see him in December last year; John Finnie invited me to do so and Christine Grahame encouraged me. I wanted to speak to him about two pressing issues. The first was the governance arrangements for the SPS and an absolut...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 Oct 2015
One Hundred Years of Women in Policing
I thank Linda Fabiani for giving me the opportunity to support her motion for debate this evening. I begin by acknowledging the murder in Merseyside of Dave Phillips, who leaves behind two beautiful daughters, a wife and family, and friends. He made the ultimate sacrifice that...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
12 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will try to be brief, convener.This group considers the local authority’s role in policing. In our amendments, members are reflecting concerns that we have picked up from witnesses and elsewhere. Amendment 203, which seeks to stipulate that“The chief constable must provide t...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Nov 2015
Policing
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for sight of the statement prior to his making it. Even in the language of management speak and acronyms, the HMICS report is damning. The report refers to weaknesses on 20 occasions. Two years since Police Scotland was formed, we are st...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 May 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As a member of the Justice Committee, I am pleased to associate myself with the comments and recommendations in the report.We gathered an abundance of evidence that identified various areas in which positive decisions and sensible resolution are needed. Many of the recommendat...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 May 2012
Civilian Police Staff
The effective delivery of policing requires, among other things, the Government to provide confidence to police and police staff about their future in respect of employment and support, and it needs the Government to acknowledge that the principles of public service, integrity...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
My question is about scrutiny. Under the previous set-up, we had eight boards and eight chief constables, who were held to account. As the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill passed through Parliament, cross-party questions were raised about how local democratic accountabil...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Nov 2013
Police Reform
You have talked about local policing and the change in policing culture, particularly in the north-east, which my colleagues alluded to.
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
06 Nov 2013
Local Police Services
I am afraid not.Some years ago, a householder watching the BBC news at 9 o’clock saw that a terrible murder had been committed in Glasgow in which a woman and child had been stabbed to death. He realised that a workmate, who had unexpectedly called at his home and who was then...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Apr 2014
Stop and Search
I rise to move the amendment in my name, which, because of the Government’s pre-emptive amendment, is unlikely to be voted on. To that extent I am disappointed. What the cabinet secretary forgot to quote in his speech was the effective oversight that my amendment seeks to pass...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
20 Mar 2014
Local Policing
First, I record my admiration of what working officers do every day on our behalf, the staff who support them and, indeed, the group who are here today. All too often when we question what is going on, that questioning is seen is a criticism, but it is not. Our purpose in life...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Sep 2015
Programme for Government 2015-16
I will obviously comment on the programme for government from the particular aspect of the justice portfolio that I represent, but I would like to begin with a more general comment. The First Minister spoke yesterday of her desire to close the attainment gap between children ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
03 Sep 2015
Policing
I thank the cabinet secretary for early sight of his statement. I welcome the tone in which he delivered it and I join him by offering Labour members’ complete support for the officers and staff who deliver policing across Scotland in the interests of our community. However, ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In fairness, you mixed up identities in your first response to David McLetchie about policing by consent, when you talked about Parliament directing. In fact, as far as the bill is concerned, it is the Government that directs, and Parliament has very little oversight. Given th...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
12 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 205, in the name of Lewis Macdonald, seeks to create a balance between local accountability and national oversight and addresses the need to ensure that local authorities are able to express concern about and have impact on policing decisions. Amendment 206, which is...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
27 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
For me, the amendments that I will speak to at this time are the most important amendments in relation to democratic accountability, and they have significance for all members sitting in the chamber who are not members of the Government. The amendments go to the very heart of ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Mar 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I declare an interest, as a member of ACPOS and because all my previous writings and submissions are completely in sympathy with what Mr Black has said. I had no reason to expect that, so I am grateful for his submission today.Mr Laing has indicated that governance is not only...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
05 Dec 2012
Policing
Margo MacDonald makes a good point, which I will come to at the end of my speech.On 27 November, the Justice Committee brought back the chief constable and the SPA chair, along with HMICS, to resolve possible conflicts. The way forward was further confused at that meeting. The...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Nov 2012
Police Reform
In fairness, it would be difficult to write every relationship into the act and then leave it to two professional people to deal with, because that would mean that they would not have any professional responsibility but would just tick the boxes.The convener has touched on one...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
28 Mar 2013
Work Programme
That is kind of you. Given previous considerations, three issues seem to be important at this stage—although there are probably another 100 such issues. The first issue is the relationships between the institutions that make up Scotland’s new national police service—the SPA, t...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Mar 2013
Work Programme
The suggestion about local policing is useful. It is the most sensitive issue at this time. All the high-level strategies are one thing, but we want some indication of what will happen after 1 April when we pick up the phone and ask for the police. That is the most sensitive p...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Jun 2013
Information and Communication Technology
In that connection, who is the accountable officer for policing in Scotland?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Jun 2013
Recent Developments
Chief constable, you have been fortunate enough to sit on the sidelines as Vic Emery has gone through a bit of a torrid time with the questioning thus far. There have been reservations on the policing side about the arrangements with the SPA. Are you satisfied that the arrange...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
Before we go on to his experience, are you saying that all 14 divisional commanders are democratically accountable to some structure or other and that those structures are in place today in each of the divisions?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
I see the advantage in having different models, because we are learning how to run a national police service. You will be able to gather evidence of best practice. Will you be able to share that with all the structures so that individual members can accrue the experience from ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
Would it be feasible for us to get a document that sets out the structure of the 14 models that would show how each of the divisions are currently accountable to their local, democratic structures? That might give us an understanding of where the changes have taken place.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
It would be useful to see the models set out in that way. We all understand that the previous board arrangements were perceived to be ineffective. Democratic accountability was absent from previous structures. That will be an important lesson to learn in this new settlement, a...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
It is important that the local democratic group should lead in these matters. The police may well advise, but that advice can and will be rejected if it is deemed inappropriate in the local situation. I think that you would accept that it is for locally accountable people to s...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
Excellent.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
On that basis, could the divisional commander tell us how he is held to account and what he feels he is entitled to share with the local democratic set-up?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
I have to say that I have just seen Kevin Stewart’s jaw drop.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
You did not mention budget. Are you able to share the budget that is allocated to your division and the financial outcomes of the decisions that you are making?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
You would be happy to see that, however each of the scrutiny panels Scotland-wide is arranged, divisional commanders will be able to report on their budgets and their use of those budgets.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
I am grateful. Thank you.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
I think that that is right.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
We are only weeks into this new arrangement—there will be a deal of confusion about what is happening immediately and it will be very difficult out there in the sticks to get the information that we need now. It is more important to find out what the current arrangements are o...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
The other thing—I do not want to delay you—
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
The other thing is about the “scheme of arrangements”, as it is described in the letter from the SPA. It is about the arrangement of delegation of powers and so forth. It would appear that the SPA agreed a scheme of arrangements at the end of March. It would be interesting, gi...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
We did.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
30 May 2013
Information and Communication Technology
But do you have a strategy? I believe that when you took up your post, one of your functions was to deliver an ICT strategy for policing in Scotland. Do you now have that strategy, or do you still have a way to go before you can deliver it?13:45
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Nov 2013
Police Reform
Thank you.I will make a comment just to finish consideration of this area, and then I will ask a supplementary to Margaret Mitchell’s questions.Mr Graham, you said that if you hear concerns out there, you will take an interest in them. What irks me slightly about that response...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
19 Sep 2013
First Minister’s Question Time · Policing
After discussions with a divisional commander, a local council leader said that they were dealing with“these very difficult cuts”.The Scottish Police Federation has expressed concern that no discussions led up to the development. The chief constable said in the Aberdeen Evenin...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
At the outset, when I was conversing with Mr Naylor, I indicated that the business case might well justify some offices closing or amending their hours. My position is not that there should be no closures, but that we will be led by public opinion and an assessment of the case...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
I did not pose the question, but I think that it was, “Do you agree with the closure of your local police office?”, not, “Do you want more or less?”
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
I presume that some members of the public have not had quite the same engagement with the police as others and would be keen to see the office close—Laughter.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
The more pressing question is about the means of obtaining public opinion, given the fairly substantial changes that you have proposed. There is no structured means by which a member of the public can come back to you. They might be able to guess their way through, but there i...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
There is no formal or structured means of doing it, but there are other avenues through which to make your opinion known, if you know how the system works. However, there is not a chapter in the process that is for the public. You have spoken to elected members and other partn...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
I have one more point.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
I do not seek to labour the point, but will the chief constable consider allowing members of the public to make their opinions known after 1 November so that they can be taken into account?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
In the public consciousness, the consultation finishes today, but you will accept comments over the next month.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
Thanks for that.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
I think that it might.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
Speak to Aberdeen.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
Happily my question is along much the same lines as Mr Finnie’s. I would like Her Majesty’s inspector of constabulary for Scotland not to report to the committee today, but to write to us to give an indication of the kind of inspections that he intends to conduct over the next...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
That is what I said.
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 08 October 2014

08 Oct 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Policing

It is with some disappointment that I feel the need to move this motion. It is my belief that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has abandoned his responsibilities in relation to police reform. He is tired and lacking in ideas, and he gracelessly refuses to listen, leaving a private power struggle between officials.

The real empathy that a human being in uniform can demonstrate towards members of the public has always been key to policing in Scotland. That humanity in the administration of law and good order remains, to this day, the foundation of policing by consent. It enables police officers to walk any street in Scotland, confident in the knowledge that they can deliver on their duties for the community. I have witnessed at first hand the impact on my community of such an approach to policing. I am in awe of the truly inspiring work that constables, sergeants and inspectors bring to my streets.

It is in that light that I speak to the motion in my name. Few subjects are more important than the need to ensure that policing throughout Scotland is delivered with full consent and in a way that takes cognisance of the public’s needs, particularly at times of crisis, rather than for the convenience of powerful senior executives, civil servants and politicians. This Government’s approach to the creation of a single police service has been inspired by the latter approach and blind to the former.

Scottish National Party members have been quick to remind me of statements that I made in my previous life as a chief officer in the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency. I therefore remind the cabinet secretary that I expressed my views on precisely the principles that I have outlined, along with my commitment to a single police service for Scotland, more than seven years ago, when we first met, at Paisley police office.

I was disappointed then at the cabinet secretary’s lack of interest in the concepts, and I feel let down by him now. He seems to speak with no one and to take notice of or advice from no one. His incompetent handling of the Megrahi affair, corroboration, stop and search, and office and control room closures has been characterised by his view that everything is someone else’s responsibility.

The cabinet secretary’s absence from the debate on armed police was, in my view, the final straw. The long-running controversy around the arming of police officers is firmly his fault. He stood aside as chief constable and chair fought a silent war—pressing issues lost in a fog of egos and misinformation. A chief constable leads the service, delivering policing; the Scottish Police Authority should hold him to account for what he does, what he intends to do and how the service performs. With officers being allowed to bear Glock 17 firearms while on routine duties on our streets, none of those responsibilities was properly discharged. Mr MacAskill sat in his office, uninterested, asking, “Crisis? What crisis?” He said that the public were unconcerned—we know that that is not the case.

With office closures and the loss of 2,000 support staff jobs, the billion-pound police service in Scotland has developed in a haphazard fashion. Reviews by Her Majesty’s inspector of constabulary for Scotland and the SPA, along with academic and media commentary, tell a worrying story about stop and search and the police use of firearms.

How do we deliver true governance? One reason for setting up a single service was the cabinet secretary’s view that the eight police boards were ineffectual. I agree, and I see from Vic Emery’s agenda piece in The Herald yesterday that the SPA chair seems to have got it, to some extent. He acknowledged that good governance had not been on display over the past two years.

I and others have been commenting on governance and operational independence, but only now are key officials beginning to face the issue. Statute does not recognise the concept of operational independence, but I would expect the chief constable to be unfettered in his ability to decide on crisis and emergency responses, while being sensitive to the need to obtain board approval for his policies going forward.

The cabinet secretary’s plea has been that he was avoiding political interference. That does not wash. If he had been so concerned about political interference he would not have engaged in a private briefing on arming the police outwith the knowledge of his chosen board members. I discovered only yesterday that the meeting was not even minuted.

I am left with the unfortunate impression of a politician keeping his fingerprints off, but nevertheless interfering with, policing. Whether or not it is true, that perception does not feel like open government.

At no time have I or my party criticised police officers. My criticism has always been aimed at the absence of action from the cabinet secretary to ensure that the authority has delivered on its remit or to address the failure of a costly SPA to properly demand of the chief constable full and timely briefing on policy issues.

The public have raised concerns, and so have politicians and academics. Even police staff and officers have begun to raise reservations. Therefore, to insist, as some members on the Government benches do, that it is much ado about nothing indicates a distance from reality that is worrying and reflects a preoccupation with politics and independence instead of governance and police scrutiny.

Because of that, the SPA board—I am one of the few members in the chamber today who has attended one of its meetings—has spent considerable time reviewing reports, rather than challenging the chief constable on options for the future to obtain the kind of information that true governance delivers. The board had no notion of the change in the firearms policy or its impact. The board had no notion that more than 600,000 people in Scotland were being stopped and searched. Only after those things became public knowledge did the board become aware that such impacts were being felt throughout Scotland. That is not governance, accountability and scrutiny, and it does not deliver policing by consent.

No one in this chamber has more respect for the police than I do. The officers on the streets have had a difficult and challenging time, particularly with the reforms that we have seen. I supported reform against a great deal of pressure from senior officers and others. The cabinet secretary may guffaw, but he is well aware of the support that I have given to the concept throughout the past decade.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? The saying dates from Roman times, and people may feel it a sad reflection that it still has relevance today. Who watches the watchers? Let us apply that principle to our day-to-day management of what is now a powerful national organisation and one that I wish to be a success.

I hope that, in the years ahead, the service will meet the expectation that our communities will be well policed and that the weakest and poorest among us will be able to rely on it to deliver for them. I know that the service faces major challenges and I admire the executive for facing those challenges, but it does no one any good to continually suggest that all is well, that there is no crisis and that those who administer the law are the ones who are best placed to judge how to deliver it.

I expect the first question on any cabinet secretary’s mind to be about how to deliver true and effective governance of Police Scotland. The fact that that issue has not been at the forefront of the cabinet secretary’s mind in the past 18 months saddens me and is why I lodged the motion.

I move,

That the Parliament believes that all fundamental changes in the way that Scotland is policed should be properly debated and that meaningful consultation, including with the Scottish Police Authority board members, should be carried out prior to any policy decision being taken; notes with concern the absence of any meaningful contribution from the Scottish Police Authority ahead of recent policy changes on stop and search, the allocation of routine police duties to armed officers and target setting; recognises that it is necessary for Police Scotland to police by consent and that this is in the interests of public safety and confidence in the police; believes that the responsibility for the accountability of Police Scotland lies with the Cabinet Secretary for Justice, who told the Parliament on 27 June 2012 that “the Scottish Police Authority’s ability to hold the chief constable to account for the policing of Scotland is wide ranging and allows the authority to scrutinise and challenge the chief constable on all of his or her functions and roles and on all aspects of policing”, and, in light of the cabinet secretary’s failure to provide effective governance of Police Scotland in delivering public accountability, calls on him to resign from his post.

15:19  

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Graeme Pearson Lab
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Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
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Margaret Mitchell Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
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Margaret Mitchell Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We are very tight for time this afternoon. If members wish to speak in the debate, they must press their request-to-speak button. Members must stick to a ver...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Graeme Pearson, in his opening speech, asked, “Who watches the watchers?”, and his motion mentions responsibility, accountability, scrutiny and challenge. I...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Does the member agree that the fact that there are now only five or maybe six Labour members in the chamber and the fact that only half the afternoon has bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
You are approaching your final minute, Mr Stewart.
Kevin Stewart SNP
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Come to a close, please.
Kevin Stewart SNP
From some members, we have seen flip-flopping on the issue to create instability and to interfere and point score.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you must close.
Kevin Stewart SNP
That has got to stop.
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Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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