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Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
08 Oct 2014
Policing
It is with some disappointment that I feel the need to move this motion. It is my belief that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has abandoned his responsibilities in relation to police reform. He is tired and lacking in ideas, and he gracelessly refuses to listen, leaving a pr...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Apr 2014
Stop and Search
I rise to move the amendment in my name, which, because of the Government’s pre-emptive amendment, is unlikely to be voted on. To that extent I am disappointed. What the cabinet secretary forgot to quote in his speech was the effective oversight that my amendment seeks to pass...
The Temporary Convener Lab Committee
20 Mar 2014
Local Policing
Our main item of business is an evidence session on local policing. We will hear from Deputy Chief Constable Rose Fitzpatrick and colleagues on the issues raised in written evidence and during our visits. I welcome, from Police Scotland: Deputy Chief Constable Rose Fitzpatrick...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
05 Dec 2012
Policing
Margo MacDonald makes a good point, which I will come to at the end of my speech.On 27 November, the Justice Committee brought back the chief constable and the SPA chair, along with HMICS, to resolve possible conflicts. The way forward was further confused at that meeting. The...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
05 Dec 2012
Policing
The cabinet secretary will remember that I first went to see him in December last year; John Finnie invited me to do so and Christine Grahame encouraged me. I wanted to speak to him about two pressing issues. The first was the governance arrangements for the SPS and an absolut...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
07 Mar 2013
First Minister’s Question Time · Scottish Police Authority and Police Scotland
I thank the First Minister for that brief answer. In four separate interviews, the chief constable has indicated that he will be unable to maintain the 1,000 additional police officers during the forthcoming spending period, because of budgetary pressures. In addition, last ni...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
13 Mar 2013
Police Centralisation
For 38 years, officers and staff from eight police forces and, more recently, the Scottish Crime and Drugs Enforcement Agency and the Scottish Police Services Authority have served the public throughout Scotland for the most part in an exemplary and professional manner. I take...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
08 Oct 2014
Policing
—and on the sub-committee. I thought that I had played my part in all the work that we did in those committees. I think that, on occasion, Christine Grahame appreciated my contributions, but our memories are short in that regard. Kevin Stewart mentioned his 13 years on a poli...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
12 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am conscious that, in the committee’s discussion of amendments to the bill, we have not been particularly successful in persuading the cabinet secretary of some of the views that we have offered to him. I hope that he will see some virtue in what I have to offer in amendment...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
29 May 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will speak to amendment 183, but first I associate myself with Lewis Macdonald’s views on other amendments in the group. Given the importance of the SPA, I ask the cabinet secretary to reconsider his approach to setting out the qualities of the individuals who would be selec...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 May 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As a member of the Justice Committee, I am pleased to associate myself with the comments and recommendations in the report.We gathered an abundance of evidence that identified various areas in which positive decisions and sensible resolution are needed. Many of the recommendat...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
23 Oct 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
How kind of you, convener. My question has two parts. Laughter. It might well be Mr Emery who will have to put his mind to it, although the chief constable might want to make a supplementary comment.With regard to information technology costs—I should declare an interest, in t...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Nov 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
In response to Jenny Marra, you mentioned operational independence, and you talked about the fears about interference that were generated by earlier discussions. The other week, the convener of the SPA announced that it will provide strategic leadership to the police and he ad...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
08 Jan 2013
Police and Fire and Rescue Service Reform
Time is marching on and there seems to be a great deal of confusion in the arrangements going forward. The point has been made to me on a number of occasions—most recently, this morning—that trade unions are not being consulted on or informed about the movement in the arrangem...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Nov 2012
Police Reform
Governance is one of those salty issues that people find it hard to get their heads around and realise the significance of. I feel that the nub of the issue is that we understand who leads, is responsible for and is in charge of the police service of Scotland and who will call...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 Nov 2013
Local Police Services
Prior to the 2011 election, the Cabinet Secretary for Justice’s resistance to the creation of a single police force was well known. Post the election, economic realities affecting countries across the western hemisphere obviously persuaded him otherwise. After years of inactio...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
02 Apr 2014
Stop and Search
I will indeed, Presiding Officer. In the same magazine, the chief constable asks whether people “seriously think” that the police should go to the public to ask whether something is a good idea, and says: “I think the concept that we consult the public on all of this is not ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
19 Mar 2015
Armed Police
I have a question for Mr Whyte, who will not be surprised to see me back here to speak to him. One of the key factors in support of the creation of a single police force was the need for an improvement in governance and accountability, which was deemed to be a weakness under ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
26 Mar 2015
Police Scotland (Accountability)
I record my absolute gratitude and praise for police officers and support staff across Scotland who perform duties on behalf of the public, on behalf of my family and on behalf of me. I value the work that they do daily, which is largely unseen and largely unapplauded. Second...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Sep 2015
Programme for Government 2015-16
I will obviously comment on the programme for government from the particular aspect of the justice portfolio that I represent, but I would like to begin with a more general comment. The First Minister spoke yesterday of her desire to close the attainment gap between children ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Nov 2012
Commission on Women Offenders
First, it would be right to record how helpful I found the thoughtful explanations that Colin McConnell gave us last week and today. The inventiveness that he has displayed in resolving some of the issues is to be applauded. The sting in the tail is that I look forward to the ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
29 May 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will comment on the nature of direction from the Scottish ministers to chief officers. Obviously, a Government minister would seek to instruct a chief officer only in very unusual circumstances. Kenny MacAskill’s earlier response about the operation of the board and relative...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
28 Feb 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thanks, convener. I know that you appreciate that we are dealing with a very important issue. It deserves the time that we are allocating to it.We have spent a great deal of time talking about redundancy issues and so forth, but a major part of ACPOS’s submission is about oper...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Nov 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
The cabinet secretary must bear it in mind that, in order to do these things well, people need the levers to do the job properly. The chair of the SPA has said that, as a businessman, he sees policing through that lens and equates the chief constable with a chief operating off...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Nov 2012
Police Reform
In fairness, it would be difficult to write every relationship into the act and then leave it to two professional people to deal with, because that would mean that they would not have any professional responsibility but would just tick the boxes.The convener has touched on one...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Nov 2012
Police Reform
I am grateful for the clarity that HMI has provided. I did not raise the issues to have a go at Mr Emery, but because of the language that was used in a key moment about the running of policing and the notion of the chief constable being the chief operating officer and the ide...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
18 Apr 2013
Local Policing
My question is about scrutiny. Under the previous set-up, we had eight boards and eight chief constables, who were held to account. As the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill passed through Parliament, cross-party questions were raised about how local democratic accountabil...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
08 Oct 2014
Policing
I open my closing remarks by saying that nowhere in the motion is there an attack on Police Scotland. The responses that have been made today from the Government seats have addressed a question that was never asked. I did not invite from the cabinet secretary any interference ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Mar 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What if, after that pen-picture of locally available services is shared with the board, there is disagreement in that forum? You have indicated that a divisional commander could raise with the chief constable any unhappiness at local level, but how will the political and democ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
12 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will try to be brief, convener.This group considers the local authority’s role in policing. In our amendments, members are reflecting concerns that we have picked up from witnesses and elsewhere. Amendment 203, which seeks to stipulate that“The chief constable must provide t...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
12 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for responding to the various views that have been expressed by the committee. In relation to amendment 203, he commented on the powers of the chief constable as at 1 April 2012, but I would have thought that officers could still have co-...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
27 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
For me, the amendments that I will speak to at this time are the most important amendments in relation to democratic accountability, and they have significance for all members sitting in the chamber who are not members of the Government. The amendments go to the very heart of ...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
27 Jun 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill
I say to the previous speaker that I had hoped that the Justice Committee was already earning its keep, but we always want to work harder.The purpose of the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill was set out in the financial memorandum, which made it clear that one of the main...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
20 Mar 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
At an earlier meeting, the Auditor General raised the notion of democratic governance at national level. He talked about how the relationships between the minister, the convener, the board and the chief constable will operate. From your experience of the SPSA and how it has be...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Mar 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Sorry.Assistant Chief Constable Finlay mentioned different styles of local accountability and accountability through the national board. One of the matters that exercised the committee at last week’s meeting was how to connect local issues to the national board to get an effec...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Mar 2012
Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Last week we heard evidence that people are in a quandary about the separation of forensic science from a chief constable’s ambit and direction. There seems to be anguish about it. I think that in Northern Ireland forensic science is independent of the PSNI. How have you resol...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
23 Oct 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
That is all right.Good morning and welcome. My first question is for Mr Emery. You state in your written submission that your early assessment is that“the financial work done so far remains short of what I would consider a sufficiently detailed and transparent examination of c...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
23 Oct 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
Finally, given your involvement in the process up to now, are you able to offer the committee any view about a requirement or otherwise for democratic oversight of the police service and the relationships between the Government, the Police Authority and the chief constable?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
23 Oct 2012
European Union Issues
Before we do, I want to make two points for the record. First—there was no opportunity to ask the panels about this earlier—I was disappointed that the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities failed to give us any evidence in the lead-up to our discussion. Given that Stephen ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Nov 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
When it comes to how we deliver the spend in the first two years, if elements of the budget are maintained at board level and managed by the authority separately from the chief constable, it is of interest to know how such matters will be addressed corporately.
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
15 Nov 2012
First Minister’s Question Time · Scottish Police Authority and Chief Constable for Scotland
In the light of his response, will the First Minister acknowledge that the Parliament’s intention in legislating was to deliver full operational independence to the incoming chief constable and that moves to limit that independence would be unwelcome and unwarranted?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
19 Feb 2013
Policing (Correspondence)
In the minutes of the SPA board, the chief constable makes reference to a similar piece of correspondence as a “codicil”. There must be something specific meant, which we are entitled to read for ourselves rather than having an excerpt presented to us.
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Nov 2012
Police Reform
What I have to say might help Mr Emery. Back in July, the national police reform team signed off a kind of civil service structure, in which the director of finance, the HR director and the director of communications and public affairs would all report through the chief consta...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
05 Mar 2013
Policing (Correspondence)
Thank you. It is extremely regrettable that it has taken such a time to obtain the detail of the codicil, as it has been described. I do not think that the initial response from the chair of the Scottish Police Authority gave us the full colour of the relationships between the...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Jun 2013
Information and Communication Technology
I think that there is an understanding that if you merely put the ICT on top of current practices, the savings that we are looking for will not be achieved. Is that understanding part of your plan, chief constable?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Jun 2013
Recent Developments
Okay. Putting to the side our unhappy past year, in the documentation there is an acknowledgement that, going forward, you need transparency from Police Scotland in giving you access to information and access to people to get that information so that you can properly hold the ...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Jun 2013
Recent Developments
Thank you.Chief constable, are you prepared to ensure that doors are open throughout your organisation to provide the Scottish Police Authority with the information that it asks for and requires to ensure that you are called to account?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
27 Jun 2013
Recent Developments
Chief constable, you have been fortunate enough to sit on the sidelines as Vic Emery has gone through a bit of a torrid time with the questioning thus far. There have been reservations on the policing side about the arrangements with the SPA. Are you satisfied that the arrange...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
19 Sep 2013
Complaints and Investigations
I am grateful for your response. It is useful to have that information for the record, so that people externally understand the situation.I will stay on that point. Within Police Scotland, some staff members are part of the executive board, such as the head of HR and perhaps s...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
28 Nov 2013
Police Reform
I am grateful to Mr Graham for explaining some of the background to this issue. From some of his previous appearances, I know that the chief constable will indicate that there is no policy dictating key performance indicators for officers in the street. However, like the conve...
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
19 Sep 2013
First Minister’s Question Time · Policing
After discussions with a divisional commander, a local council leader said that they were dealing with“these very difficult cuts”.The Scottish Police Federation has expressed concern that no discussions led up to the development. The chief constable said in the Aberdeen Evenin...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
There is no formal or structured means of doing it, but there are other avenues through which to make your opinion known, if you know how the system works. However, there is not a chapter in the process that is for the public. You have spoken to elected members and other partn...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
31 Oct 2013
Local Policing
I do not seek to labour the point, but will the chief constable consider allowing members of the public to make their opinions known after 1 November so that they can be taken into account?
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
06 Nov 2013
Local Police Services
I take it, from what the cabinet secretary says, that there is no cut in Scotland. However, £140 million is a substantial cut and is having such an impact that the chief constable does not believe that he can sustain current police numbers much longer.
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
29 Oct 2013
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2014-15
I have a question for the chief constable about the 1,000 additional officers that Police Scotland is obliged to employ. How much do the 1,000 posts cost per year?
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
29 Oct 2013
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2014-15
You have been well trailed over the months as saying that, with the current budget allocation, you found it difficult to anticipate being able to maintain the additional officers in the years ahead. I find it difficult to understand the notion of operational independence and t...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
04 Sep 2013
Programme for Government 2013-14
Unusually, I begin by thanking Mike Russell, who introduced the notion of a “fact-free universe”. That is a useful context in which to consider some of the comments that I will make on the justice proposals. Today, Mr MacAskill took to the radio to announce, yet again, that...
Graeme Pearson Lab Committee
06 Mar 2014
Information and Communication Technology
Deputy chief constable, your timetable for deliverables indicated that three of the elements would be in place by now, but you have achieved only one. Why has there been a delay and what are the implications?
The Temporary Convener Lab Committee
20 Mar 2014
Local Policing
Before Deputy Chief Constable Fitzpatrick answers, I will leave the chair and hand over to our convener, who has now arrived.
Graeme Pearson Lab Chamber
02 Oct 2014
First Minister’s Question Time · Armed Police (Convention of Scottish Local Authorities Position)
Given the months of controversy, does the First Minister now accept public concerns on the matter? Does he agree that Parliament was promised a strong Scottish Police Authority that exercises diligence in holding the chief constable to account through governance, accountabilit...
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Meeting of the Parliament 08 October 2014

08 Oct 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Policing

It is with some disappointment that I feel the need to move this motion. It is my belief that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has abandoned his responsibilities in relation to police reform. He is tired and lacking in ideas, and he gracelessly refuses to listen, leaving a private power struggle between officials.

The real empathy that a human being in uniform can demonstrate towards members of the public has always been key to policing in Scotland. That humanity in the administration of law and good order remains, to this day, the foundation of policing by consent. It enables police officers to walk any street in Scotland, confident in the knowledge that they can deliver on their duties for the community. I have witnessed at first hand the impact on my community of such an approach to policing. I am in awe of the truly inspiring work that constables, sergeants and inspectors bring to my streets.

It is in that light that I speak to the motion in my name. Few subjects are more important than the need to ensure that policing throughout Scotland is delivered with full consent and in a way that takes cognisance of the public’s needs, particularly at times of crisis, rather than for the convenience of powerful senior executives, civil servants and politicians. This Government’s approach to the creation of a single police service has been inspired by the latter approach and blind to the former.

Scottish National Party members have been quick to remind me of statements that I made in my previous life as a chief officer in the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency. I therefore remind the cabinet secretary that I expressed my views on precisely the principles that I have outlined, along with my commitment to a single police service for Scotland, more than seven years ago, when we first met, at Paisley police office.

I was disappointed then at the cabinet secretary’s lack of interest in the concepts, and I feel let down by him now. He seems to speak with no one and to take notice of or advice from no one. His incompetent handling of the Megrahi affair, corroboration, stop and search, and office and control room closures has been characterised by his view that everything is someone else’s responsibility.

The cabinet secretary’s absence from the debate on armed police was, in my view, the final straw. The long-running controversy around the arming of police officers is firmly his fault. He stood aside as chief constable and chair fought a silent war—pressing issues lost in a fog of egos and misinformation. A chief constable leads the service, delivering policing; the Scottish Police Authority should hold him to account for what he does, what he intends to do and how the service performs. With officers being allowed to bear Glock 17 firearms while on routine duties on our streets, none of those responsibilities was properly discharged. Mr MacAskill sat in his office, uninterested, asking, “Crisis? What crisis?” He said that the public were unconcerned—we know that that is not the case.

With office closures and the loss of 2,000 support staff jobs, the billion-pound police service in Scotland has developed in a haphazard fashion. Reviews by Her Majesty’s inspector of constabulary for Scotland and the SPA, along with academic and media commentary, tell a worrying story about stop and search and the police use of firearms.

How do we deliver true governance? One reason for setting up a single service was the cabinet secretary’s view that the eight police boards were ineffectual. I agree, and I see from Vic Emery’s agenda piece in The Herald yesterday that the SPA chair seems to have got it, to some extent. He acknowledged that good governance had not been on display over the past two years.

I and others have been commenting on governance and operational independence, but only now are key officials beginning to face the issue. Statute does not recognise the concept of operational independence, but I would expect the chief constable to be unfettered in his ability to decide on crisis and emergency responses, while being sensitive to the need to obtain board approval for his policies going forward.

The cabinet secretary’s plea has been that he was avoiding political interference. That does not wash. If he had been so concerned about political interference he would not have engaged in a private briefing on arming the police outwith the knowledge of his chosen board members. I discovered only yesterday that the meeting was not even minuted.

I am left with the unfortunate impression of a politician keeping his fingerprints off, but nevertheless interfering with, policing. Whether or not it is true, that perception does not feel like open government.

At no time have I or my party criticised police officers. My criticism has always been aimed at the absence of action from the cabinet secretary to ensure that the authority has delivered on its remit or to address the failure of a costly SPA to properly demand of the chief constable full and timely briefing on policy issues.

The public have raised concerns, and so have politicians and academics. Even police staff and officers have begun to raise reservations. Therefore, to insist, as some members on the Government benches do, that it is much ado about nothing indicates a distance from reality that is worrying and reflects a preoccupation with politics and independence instead of governance and police scrutiny.

Because of that, the SPA board—I am one of the few members in the chamber today who has attended one of its meetings—has spent considerable time reviewing reports, rather than challenging the chief constable on options for the future to obtain the kind of information that true governance delivers. The board had no notion of the change in the firearms policy or its impact. The board had no notion that more than 600,000 people in Scotland were being stopped and searched. Only after those things became public knowledge did the board become aware that such impacts were being felt throughout Scotland. That is not governance, accountability and scrutiny, and it does not deliver policing by consent.

No one in this chamber has more respect for the police than I do. The officers on the streets have had a difficult and challenging time, particularly with the reforms that we have seen. I supported reform against a great deal of pressure from senior officers and others. The cabinet secretary may guffaw, but he is well aware of the support that I have given to the concept throughout the past decade.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? The saying dates from Roman times, and people may feel it a sad reflection that it still has relevance today. Who watches the watchers? Let us apply that principle to our day-to-day management of what is now a powerful national organisation and one that I wish to be a success.

I hope that, in the years ahead, the service will meet the expectation that our communities will be well policed and that the weakest and poorest among us will be able to rely on it to deliver for them. I know that the service faces major challenges and I admire the executive for facing those challenges, but it does no one any good to continually suggest that all is well, that there is no crisis and that those who administer the law are the ones who are best placed to judge how to deliver it.

I expect the first question on any cabinet secretary’s mind to be about how to deliver true and effective governance of Police Scotland. The fact that that issue has not been at the forefront of the cabinet secretary’s mind in the past 18 months saddens me and is why I lodged the motion.

I move,

That the Parliament believes that all fundamental changes in the way that Scotland is policed should be properly debated and that meaningful consultation, including with the Scottish Police Authority board members, should be carried out prior to any policy decision being taken; notes with concern the absence of any meaningful contribution from the Scottish Police Authority ahead of recent policy changes on stop and search, the allocation of routine police duties to armed officers and target setting; recognises that it is necessary for Police Scotland to police by consent and that this is in the interests of public safety and confidence in the police; believes that the responsibility for the accountability of Police Scotland lies with the Cabinet Secretary for Justice, who told the Parliament on 27 June 2012 that “the Scottish Police Authority’s ability to hold the chief constable to account for the policing of Scotland is wide ranging and allows the authority to scrutinise and challenge the chief constable on all of his or her functions and roles and on all aspects of policing”, and, in light of the cabinet secretary’s failure to provide effective governance of Police Scotland in delivering public accountability, calls on him to resign from his post.

15:19  

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Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Margaret Mitchell Con
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Margaret Mitchell Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
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Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
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Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
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Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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