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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Dec 2015
Health and Social Care
I am wondering whether I have been in the same chamber as the cabinet secretary for the past couple of hours. She came to the conclusion that we should have substance over rhetoric with no sense of irony whatsoever. My word, the cabinet secretary needs to reflect on that. It...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
20 May 2020
Coronavirus (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
I will focus my comments on amendment 15, which seeks to bring in a system of national collective bargaining in the social care sector. The crisis in our care home sector is not new—it has been with us for many years—but the Covid-19 outbreak has brought it smack bang into the...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
25 Feb 2014
Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill
The issue of social care should be at the top of the political agenda in Scotland. As politicians discuss the intricacies of currency unions, European Union membership and all the rest of it, our elderly and vulnerable people are experiencing a care system that is in crisis as...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Jun 2020
Resuming National Health Services
The Covid-19 crisis has exacerbated the same two greatest challenges that have faced the health sector since devolution, namely health inequality and the broken care system. For George Adam to say that we have top-quality social care is a disgrace. As we look to the future, w...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
16 Feb 2021
Adult Social Care (Independent Review)
I declare an interest as a member of Unite the union. Also, my mum is a resident in a care home. I have probably spoken about social care more than any other issue in my 10 years in Parliament. We could fill the chamber with the reports that have been written on social care o...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
15 Sep 2020
Migration and Care Workers
This is a very important debate but I hugely regret the way in which it has been framed. Having a kick at the way in which Johnson’s Government has set its financial cap on inward migration is like shooting rather ugly fish in a barrel. By God, the Tory Government deserves to ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
05 Dec 2013
Taking Children into Care
Do we still have plenty time in hand in the debate, Presiding Officer? I know that you were encouraging us to develop ideas and, in doing so, I hope that I do not misrepresent Clare Adamson—I would never dream of doing so—but I think that she mentioned that this Parliament was...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
03 Nov 2020
Care Homes and Covid-19 (Amnesty International Report)
I declare an interest, as my mum is a resident in a care home and my wife and daughter both work in the national health service. None of what I am about to say is a criticism of care home staff, who have worked heroically under the most intolerable pressure throughout this cr...
Neil Findlay Lab Committee
19 May 2020
Coronavirus (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 21 seeks to establish a system of national collective bargaining in the private care home sector. When I was the convener of the Health and Sport Committee, Scottish Care, which represents care home owners, and the trade unions that represent the workforce asked for ...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
05 Nov 2013
Person-centred Healthcare
That might be the case from a survey, but I tend rather to speak to people on a daily basis who come to my surgery, email me and talk to me. I am sure that members across the Parliament, irrespective of which party they are in, have the same experience as me.Of course, we also...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
26 Nov 2013
Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We will support the bill at decision time, as we agree with its broad principles. As a West Lothian councillor for nine years from 2003, I saw how cultural change, co-operation and political vision from the Labour group on the council in 2003 advanced integration without any n...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
25 Feb 2014
Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
If the living wage is good enough for NHS staff, it is good enough for staff who support the same patients and clients when they return to the community. Therefore, I ask members to support amendment 49.Amendment 89 seeks to end the culture of strict time-limited care visits. ...
Neil Findlay Lab Committee
19 May 2020
Coronavirus (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2
Convener, I intend to press amendment 21. I agree with some of your comments that some care homes are being unfairly blamed for the failings at a much higher level in relation to PPE, the care that the homes have been able to provide and the safety of workers in those care hom...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
30 Sep 2020
Family Care Givers
I declare an interest, as my mum is a care home resident. What I am about to say is no criticism of any social care or health staff; I have nothing but admiration and support for them and will do all that I can to help to deliver their call for fair pay and conditions and dig...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
04 Nov 2020
Care Homes
I declare an interest as my mum is a resident in a care home and my wife and daughter work in the NHS. I have never worked in a care home and have never been a resident in one. With that in mind, I have to relay what carers and those for whom they care have told me and try to...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
15 Jan 2014
National Health Service
Mr McDonald makes my argument for me. We need an overall review of the NHS to look at those very issues. Theresa Fyffe is absolutely right. Private sector spend is up by a quarter; the use of consultants on triple time is up; the use of agency nurses is up 62 per cent; spendi...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
12 May 2020
Suppressing Covid: The Next Phase
I declare an interest, as my wife and daughter work in NHS hospitals and my mum is a care home resident. I make it clear that I do not question the efforts, commitment or personal sacrifice of any of our political leaders who have had to work their way through this crisis. I ...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
03 Dec 2014
National Health Service
We do not know where the money will come from, but local government has to find it—that is how the Scottish Government treats local government. We have similar problems in the care home sector, where there are staff shortages and low pay, training budgets have been cut and st...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
18 Apr 2017
Preventative Health Agenda
It is a great honour for me to chair the Parliament’s Health and Sport Committee and to open this debate on the committee’s on-going work on the preventative agenda. Members might be wondering where our report on the subject is. The fact is that our inquiry is at a very early ...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
26 Nov 2013
Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Mary Scanlon has hit on a very good point. I think that care at home is extremely difficult to assess. It is easier to assess care in a care home—the inspectors turn up at the home and they inspect the care that is provided there. Care at home is much more difficult to assess....
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
06 Dec 2016
Social Care Charging
That is good. I look forward to Ms McAlpine voting the right way when the budget comes before this Parliament. Two years ago, I published a report by the Labour Party commission on social care in Scotland. The commission recommended that we sweep away much but not all of the ...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
24 Nov 2020
Topical Question Time · Covid-19 (Care Homes)
Last Tuesday, my constituent was admitted to hospital from her care home. She tested positive for Covid on Wednesday and was discharged back to the care home on Thursday. When I raised that at First Minister’s question time and asked whether we were back to discharging Covid-p...
The Convener Lab Committee
17 Jan 2017
Care Inspectorate
We have taken evidence from social care staff about a range of workforce issues relating to their employment, and you have raised issues about agency staff. Obviously, there are implications for continuity of care—their concerns about continuity of care were among the first is...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
26 Nov 2013
Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I think that we should all be addressing such issues, because they are the fundamental problems with the care system as we know it. Let us not pretend that they are not there.The bill is inadequate in addressing the care crisis that is here. We will support it, but we need to ...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
25 Feb 2014
Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 49 will address one of the fundamental problems with the current social care system: poverty pay. Social care in Scotland is rapidly becoming a minimum wage sector. Councils that are hamstrung by underfunding and cuts to budgets and without the ability to set their o...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
10 Jun 2014
Older People
We see accident and emergency departments full to bursting; in Glasgow last weekend, people, including older people, were issued with apologies for their overnight trolley waits. Nurses in Glasgow complain that boarding of older people is an everyday occurrence. Our social ca...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
27 May 2015
Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I apologise, Presiding Officer—hearing about Stacey, lust and George Adam has put me off my stride, but I will try my best to continue. I pay tribute to the work of the late Margo MacDonald, to Mary and Peter who worked in her office and to Patrick Harvie for continuing that ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
05 Nov 2015
Carers (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Caring is something that we all do. Even as cold, stone-hearted politicians, we have some care within us—at least I hope so when I look around the chamber. We do that whether it is for our children, our friends, our grandparents, our neighbours or our mums and dads. We all sho...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
21 May 2020
Urgent Question · Untested Patients in Care Homes (Inverclyde)
The cabinet secretary is more than aware that bed blocking occurs because there is no care home place or home care package available to people who are in hospital. In the past year, we have had record delayed discharges because of that. However, in March, 1,000 untested pe...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
27 May 2020
First Minister’s Question Time · Hospital Discharges (Availability of Care)
For years, patients have been stuck in hospital and told that their discharge has been delayed because a care home place or a care package is not available. However, in March, 1,000 such cases were resolved almost overnight, not because new care home rooms were suddenly built,...
Neil Findlay Lab Committee
10 Feb 2021
Continued Petitions
Thanks to the committee for giving me a bit of time this morning. Care home residents, families and members who have been working on this from the very start of the pandemic have done everything possible. As with the previous petition that I spoke about, they have come to the ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
18 Sep 2013
Palliative Care
As many members have mentioned, Scots are not very good at dealing with these types of things. Death is a time that brings out the best and worst in people. Often, we do not like dealing with all the practicalities surrounding death, expressing our emotions and taking time to ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
21 May 2014
Motion of No Confidence
As the Scottish Government’s mental health strategy states, mental illness is one of the greatest health challenges that we face. However, with appropriate and good-quality treatment and support, people can cope, learn to manage their condition and make a full recovery. Govern...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
15 Dec 2015
Redesigning Primary Care
I am pleased, too—I am pleased that Mr MacKenzie’s speech lasted only six minutes, and that we did not have to listen to another second of it. I was going to say that it is a pleasure to follow Mr MacKenzie, but I would be lying, so I will not. In response to the appeals from...
The Convener Lab Committee
04 Oct 2016
Health and Social Care Integration Budgets
Agenda item 2 is our first evidence-taking session on health and social care integration budgets. I welcome our panel: Rob McCulloch-Graham, chief officer at the Edinburgh health and social care partnership; Val de Souza, director of the South Lanarkshire health and social car...
The Convener Lab Committee
25 Oct 2016
Health and Social Care Integration Budgets
No one here would say that the payment of the living wage is not good news. However, when we met 25 social care workers recently to discuss a range of workforce issues—it was probably the most powerful testimony that I have heard for a long time from witnesses who have spoken ...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 Dec 2016
Social Care Charging
I, too, congratulate Johann Lamont on bringing the debate to the Parliament and all the campaigners who have diligently pursued the campaign. My colleague Jenny Marra and I visited Amanda and Frank Kopel’s house a few years back. I remain, and will continue to be, profoundly m...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
01 Nov 2017
Health
There you have it: Audit Scotland is not telling the truth on the budget. We see health boards and the Government engaged in all sorts of sleight of hand to try to balance the books. Loans are being renamed brokerage, there are late allocations of cash, capital funding is bei...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
12 Mar 2019
Fair Work
The minister says that the Government cannot do it because of EU law, yet the Government claims that it can do it when it implements it in social care. If we can do it in social care, why can we not do it across the piece? We could refuse to give contracts to companies that f...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
08 Dec 2020
Topical Question Time · Covid-19 (Care Home Visiting)
At the weekend, families of care home residents, health and social care workers, trade union representatives, MSPs from all the Opposition parties, lawyers, journalists, and public figures wrote to the First Minister about the lack of contact between families and their loved o...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
08 May 2014
Care and Caring
Care and care-related issues are among the greatest challenges that face the health and social care sector. People continually tell me that the system is in crisis, and that that crisis ripples throughout the healthcare system. Scottish Labour supports the moves to improve th...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
03 Dec 2014
National Health Service
No, thank you. Directly linked to the issue is social care, which is one of the greatest scandals of our times. Our elderly and vulnerable friends and relatives are being cared for by staff who are desperate to care but unable to do so. Council budgets have been cut by 11 per...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Mar 2016
Health
I will start by echoing the sentiments of others and paying tribute to the staff who work in our NHS, who often go above and beyond the call of duty to look after and care for us. I declare an interest, in that my wife is employed as a clinical support worker at St John’s hosp...
The Convener (Neil Findlay) Lab Committee
30 May 2017
Draft Budget 2017-18
Good morning and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2017 of the Health and Sport Committee. I ask everyone in the room to ensure that their mobile phones are on silent; you can use them for social media, but please do not take photographs or film proceedings. Agenda item 1 is an ...
The Convener Lab Committee
07 Nov 2017
Technology and Innovation in Health and Social Care
But the Care Inspectorate says: “Many of the acute and primary care records we scrutinised were hard copy paper records—often with handwritten entries by clinicians and other health professionals. Some hard copy patients’ records were lengthy, and covered their treatment over...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
05 Sep 2018
Programme for Government 2018-19
The economy is not separate from public services. Over the summer, I met and dealt with constituents who want and need real change. I mean constituents who are struggling to get by, feel powerless in their daily lives and do not see an economy or society that works for them. I...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
20 Nov 2019
Health and Social Care (Investment)
I declare an interest: my wife and daughter work in the NHS. The NHS is our greatest public service. It is staffed by skilled, caring, compassionate people who, every day, go above and beyond the call of duty. They care for the young, the old, the newborn and those who are ab...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 May 2020
First Minister’s Question Time · Care Homes (Hospital Discharge)
My mum, like thousands of our loved ones, is in a care home. We now have the worst death rates in Europe, and care homes are at the epicentre of the crisis. It has been announced today that 59 per cent of deaths are occurring in care homes. Why on earth are we continuing to d...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
15 Sep 2020
Migration and Care Workers
One of the ways in which to recruit and retain staff is to pay them well. Is the minister aware of the court judgment that Unison won just today, ensuring that staff involved in home care receive payment for travelling between clients? Does he agree that all social care worker...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2011
Caring for Scotland’s Older People
Thank you. West Lothian Council advises me that its contingency plans include seeking placements for residents with other local authorities, suspending respite places, moving placements from care homes to housing with care, ceasing hospital discharge purchases, and using hospi...
The Deputy Convener Lab Committee
29 Jan 2013
Taking Children into Care Inquiry
The next item also relates to our inquiry into decision making on whether to take children into care. As part of that inquiry, the committee undertook a series of informal fact-finding visits, and it is important that we get the main points from these visits on the record. Not...
Neil Findlay Lab Committee
25 Jun 2013
Taking Children into Care Inquiry
I would have thought that, when we were talking about young people leaving care or their progress through the care system, someone would have said, “Oh, yes, each young person has a pathway plan”, or each professional who works with those young people would have referred to it...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 Dec 2013
NHS Lanarkshire (Safety and Quality Review)
I thank the cabinet secretary for sharing his statement with me. However, such a brief statement that is devoid of much of the detail that we would have expected in a statement on such an important issue is a disgrace and an affront to the people of Lanarkshire, so will the ca...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Apr 2014
Mental Health
Mental illness is one of our time’s most prevalent conditions. Its economic, social and personal impacts can be, and often are, devastating. Across Europe, mental illness is one of the top public health challenges, with depression alone responsible for more than 13 per cent of...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2013
General Question Time · Social Care
The white paper states that an independent Scotland will continue to provide high-quality, “world-leading” social care. In relation to adult social care, does the cabinet secretary really believe that statement? Does he believe that a system that exists on the basis of low pay...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab Committee
12 Jan 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2016-17
There may be a £1,200 gain, but if you are on a five-year or six-year pay freeze or a below-inflation pay increase, if you have lost your childcare because the facility that provided wraparound care has closed, and if the fruit and vegetable co-operative that you used to go to...
Neil Findlay Lab Chamber
01 Mar 2016
Social Security
I am sure that that was the case. He was probably in Mr Stevenson’s class at school. However, Mr Stevenson makes a valid point. From all that emerged the post-war consensus, in which Governments of whichever persuasion accepted the need for a decent social security system—unt...
The Convener Lab Committee
06 Sep 2016
Delayed Discharges
I have a final question on care home placements. Your written submission says: “The downward curve in the graph from October 2015 reflects a decision by the IJB to reduce care home placements to contain costs within the budget available.” That suggests that decisions are bei...
The Convener (Neil Findlay) Lab Committee
13 Sep 2016
Social and Community Care Workforce
Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the fourth meeting in 2016, in the Scottish Parliament’s fifth session, of the Health and Sport Committee. I ask everyone in the room to switch off their mobile phones as they can interfere with the sound system. We have apologies from Dona...
The Convener Lab Committee
13 Sep 2016
Social and Community Care Workforce
That takes us back to a couple of things that we heard at our breakfast meeting this morning. Some of the care workers told us about the new technology that they have been using, which enables them to get care plans on a smart phone, which is great. Others said that they just ...
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Meeting of the Parliament 09 December 2015

09 Dec 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Social Care

I am wondering whether I have been in the same chamber as the cabinet secretary for the past couple of hours. She came to the conclusion that we should have substance over rhetoric with no sense of irony whatsoever. My word, the cabinet secretary needs to reflect on that.

It was a pleasure to listen to Dr Simpson’s commentary today; he has a complete grasp of the issues. I forgive him for calling me Dr Findlay earlier. I know that he is stepping down at the election, and the Scottish Parliament will be poorer for the fact that he will not be here to comment on such vital matters as the integration of health and social care. We will not write his political obituary quite yet, but his contribution today was very powerful.

I will come to the challenges in the health and social care system, which Jackie Baillie set out, in a minute, but I must start by saying that high-quality social care for our elderly and vulnerable citizens is one of the most important and pressing issues affecting our society.

Jenny Marra, Nanette Milne and the cabinet secretary all mentioned the Audit Scotland report. Of course, reports can be, and are, spun by politicians in many ways. We can all do that, and we can all talk about structures and management issues. However, the reality is that, as a society, we are failing to provide decent care for our older and most vulnerable people, and the Government is failing to deal with a crisis that is going on here and now.

Last year, the Scottish Government claimed in its discredited white paper on independence, “Scotland’s Future: Your Guide to an Independent Scotland”, that it would

“continue to provide ... world-leading ... social care”.

I ask the cabinet secretary to reflect on that statement, because that is not the lived reality for so many people and their families; for social care staff who are trying valiantly to do the work that they love; or for councils that are bled dry of funds with yet more pressures heaped on them.

Today, more than 61,000 people receive more than 700,000 hours of part-time care a week, which equates to an average of 11.5 hours per person. On top of that, there are others in long-term residential care. There are 141,000 care workers who provide that care. Care is a big employer, and the sector is only going to grow and grow.

Those numbers prove what we already know: that social care is an area that impacts on all of us. We all know or are related to someone who is either receiving care or who works in the sector. Indeed, many of us will depend on the care sector to look after and care for us at some point in the future—for some of us possibly sooner than for others, but I will not go into that too much. We have a growing elderly population, and many people are living longer with multiple conditions. That is all happening at a time of social care integration, running alongside huge cuts to public services—a perfect storm indeed. All the time, our hospitals are backed up with people who could and should be looked after at home in familiar surroundings.

As budgets have been cut, care has been privatised and standards have fallen. Care visits of 15 minutes, which were originally designed as a management tool, have become the default allocation of care time. Contracting has driven down costs to the extent that the sector is now typified by low pay, job insecurity and poor conditions. Many staff who love their job and go well beyond the call of duty to provide care are at breaking point or have left the sector altogether. They feel undervalued, and they have little job security. They do not get paid for travel, some do not get paid for their uniform and some have to pay for their own mobile phone calls. That is the type of system that we have created. Time and time again, we hear of care staff leaving to work in supermarkets or shops, or in other types of employment—anywhere else, because they cannot live and bring up their families under such conditions.

Mark McDonald said that he wanted care staff to speak out positively about their jobs, and Richard Lyle said that care workers were “heroes”. Let us listen to what some of those heroes are saying. This information comes from a staff survey by Unison 18 months ago, and the situation will have got worse since that survey was published. The survey reported that the majority of workers believed that the service that they provided was not sufficient to meet the needs of the people whom they cared for, in relation to both the time that they can spend with clients and the quality of care that they can provide, with 44 per cent saying that they had very limited time for doing their work so there was a limit to how much time they could spend with their clients. One carer said:

“I have to just rush from one house to the next. It’s very, very stressful. I have told my manager but nothing is done.”

Another said:

“We are not able to deliver the care we are trained to do and want to give/should be delivering to our service users.”

Another said:

“Rush rush rush, I think they forget we are dealing with human beings, old ones at that.”

Another said:

“I’ve been a carer for 16 and a half years ... I am old school, I spend time with my clients, and therefore if I am over my time”—

so be it. The carer continued:

“These are people who rely on you”,

so the carer cannot just go “in and out” and has to have

“a couple of minutes for a wee chat”

because

“it makes their day”,

and they do not want

“rushed about in the morning or evening.”

If we speak to care staff, we find that such stories are repeated time and again.

We know that 39,000 care workers out of the 141,000 working in Scotland receive less than the living wage. That is no way to treat staff in this vital sector. All of that impacts on the care provided.

We hear all the time about people not knowing which carer or how many carers they will see in a week, or even sometimes in a day. They do not know whether the carer who starts one week will be there the next week. That is not good for the continuity or the quality of the care provided. How can we build relationships between the carer and the client in such circumstances? It simply cannot be done. One carer recently told me:

“Staff are not receiving the training they need to carry out their roles, we only get low cost basic training.”

I appeal to everyone to agree that that situation cannot go on. We cannot treat social care staff as if they were second-class or third-class citizens and then be surprised when the service that they provide is substandard, but that is what we are doing to our elderly and vulnerable friends and neighbours.

That is why we published today the report of our commission for the provision of quality care in Scotland, which was an independent commission chaired by David Kelly, the former director of West Lothian community health and care partnership. I thank Mr Kelly and the commissioners who sat on the commission and produced such a good report. The report is a challenge to us all. I am happy to provide any member with a copy of it.

In the report, the commission identifies the need to set out a new social contract of rights and responsibilities that are understood by our citizens; the need for greater devolution of budgets to local teams to develop local solutions with GPs, care staff, social workers and allied health professionals working together; and the need to elevate the status of social care to make it a valued career that people want to go into and remain in—rather than one that they want to get out of—with training and a proper structure. The commission sees the workforce as central to the future of the sector.

Of course, the biggest issue is cash. Some of this is as simple as money. We must put more cash into the care system, and Scottish Labour is committed to doing that. We recognise the vitally important work that carers do, so today we commit to a national care workers guarantee. Under that guarantee, we will ensure that 39,000 care workers gain from a living wage for all care staff, that all staff are paid for their travel, that zero-hours contracts are ended for care staff, and that the staff are well trained to do their job. All of that will improve morale and productivity; most important, it will improve the care that our mums and dads, neighbours and grandparents deserve. We need a service that is fit to address the problems and issues of the 2030s and 40s, not the 1930s and 40s. We commit today to provide extra money to the health and social care sector.

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Order, Dr Simpson.
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I am sorry, Presiding Officer.
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Continue, cabinet secretary.
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Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
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Neil Findlay Lab
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Jenny Marra Lab
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Jim Hume LD
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The Minister for Sport, Health Improvement and Mental Health (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Will the member give way?
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I am sorry, but I am finishing—I have only a few seconds left. People in the most deprived areas have five times more risk of having poorer mental health th...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
From the outset I have been very supportive of the integration agenda. Having served on the social care, wellbeing and safety committee of Aberdeen City Coun...
Jenny Marra Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Mark McDonald SNP
I want to develop this point first. I entirely recognise the strain that is often placed on individuals in that environment. With regard to the call for car...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Our motion rightly starts by paying tribute to health and social care staff, who often work way above their contracted hours to make sure that those in their...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
Rhoda Grant identifies something that Barnett consequentials in health and social care integration could be spent on. It would be a worthy cause, but the Lab...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I am slightly confused by that intervention. I believe that unpaid carers provide social care in the home. If Bob Doris does not recognise that, I fear for t...
Bob Doris SNP
Will Rhoda Grant give way? She is misleading Parliament.