Committee
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee 04 June 2015
04 Jun 2015 · S4 · Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Item of business
“Code of Conduct for Members of the Scottish Parliament”
I do not think that it is so much a question of time. Often, these directorships can be exercised on a Saturday or in the evening. It is a question of remuneration and involvement, but not time—that is not in any way relevant. I am a director of four companies, two of which are charities, and the time is variable depending on whether there is a crisis in the charity, benefactors and so on—sometimes I have to go down to London and sometimes I do not. That work is not highly remunerated; it is just travel expenses—well, one is, which is declared. Therefore, I am not sure that time is relevant in this case. I am the chairman and I try to fit the time in—they suit me, if you like, rather than me suiting them. That often happens, and I would be against the banning of that sort of thing.
In the same item of business
The Convener
SNP
Agenda item 4 is for the committee to consider the rules on lobbying and access to MSPs. Gil Paterson wishes to make a comment.
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
SNP
Convener, I would like to withdraw from the meeting at this point. The committee will be making some decisions on this issue and it might be construed as a c...
The Convener
SNP
That is very helpful, Mr Paterson. Obviously, that is an individual decision for you, and in similar circumstances it will be up to other members to take the...
Gil Paterson
SNP
Thank you for that.
The Convener
SNP
Colleagues, I invite you to comment on paper 2, on secondary employment. We have considered the matter previously, and the paper includes a helpful discussio...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
If a person has another position, job or directorship, or is a member of another company, it is quite difficult to establish how much time they spend on thei...
The Convener
SNP
Wearing a personal hat rather than a convener’s hat—others in the room will have been directors—I suspect that most directors do not keep time sheets, so any...
Cameron Buchanan (Lothian) (Con)
Con
I do not think that it is so much a question of time. Often, these directorships can be exercised on a Saturday or in the evening. It is a question of remune...
The Convener
SNP
But we are quite clear that any remuneration, which is an objective thing, must be declared.
Cameron Buchanan
Con
Absolutely but, as you said, the amount of time involved can be subjective. People do not record accurately how long a meeting takes—at least, I do not.
Margaret McDougall
Lab
Paragraph 10 of paper 2 says that “the highest annual sum for a secondary role detailed in the Register is £20,000”. That gives no indication of the time...
The Convener
SNP
I suppose that the test for us is whether outside interests diminish someone’s ability to do the job that they have been elected to do. That is perhaps the f...
Dave Thompson
SNP
I have a point to make, but it is not on the issue of time.
The Convener
SNP
That is fine. Let us have a free-flowing discussion to work out where we are going to go on this.
Dave Thompson
SNP
I am not against pioneering and driving forward and doing things that others are not doing, if that is the right thing to do, but having read the papers for ...
Cameron Buchanan
Con
Even the European Parliament.
Dave Thompson
SNP
Indeed. None of them does what is being proposed here. They might all be wrong, of course, but I just worry that the proposal might not be necessary.
The Convener
SNP
I do not think that we should be scared of setting higher standards than elsewhere. However, of course, we already do that. As far as I am aware, no other ju...
Margaret McDougall
Lab
I know that it probably has not happened, but what would happen in a case in which an MSP did not declare that there was a conflict, perhaps because he or sh...
The Convener
SNP
I will take advice but, of course, anyone who felt that the situation failed the prejudice test and the “could be thought to” test could refer the issue and ...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you very much. We will now continue our meeting in private. 09:46 Meeting continued in private until 10:57.