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Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con Chamber
04 Mar 2026
Ferries
I thank the Liberal Democrats, particularly Jamie Greene, for bringing the debate to Parliament. Over the past 10 years, he and I have shared many committee meetings where we looked at hulls 801 and 802, and it is those vessels that I will concentrate on today.When I was at sc...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Welcome back. Our third item of business is an evidence session with Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Ltd. Today’s session is our final opportunity before dissolution to examine the progress of the delivery of MV Glen Rosa and discuss current issues relating to the MV Glen Sanno...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con Chamber
24 Jan 2019
Committees’ Pre-budget Scrutiny
I am pleased to speak in this important debate, as the convener of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. I thank my fellow members of the committee for all the hard work that they have put in, supported by the clerks, in dealing with the massive amount of work on our s...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Item 3 is an evidence session with Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow Ltd, following the company’s latest quarterly update on the completion of the MV Glen Sannox—hull 801—and what I think will be called MV Glen Rosa but, as it has not been launched yet, I will refer to as hull 802....
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I have a final question. The pricing of all this seems quite opaque to me. You have the costs that you put out, plus the contingency plan, plus what I call the Derek Mackay loan, then you have the extra money that has been given to the yard, and then you have some capital inve...
The Convener Con Committee
30 Jan 2024
Budget Scrutiny 2024-25
Last week, Mr Gray was a bit iffy, I would suggest, about where it would come from. Anyway, I can quote you to him that it is coming out of his budget. I turn to the capital budget for ports. My question is about Ardrossan harbour, which is obviously a problem area because th...
The Convener Con Committee
27 Feb 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Welcome back, everyone. Our next item of business is an evidence-taking session with Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Ltd, following the company’s latest quarterly update on the MV Glen Sannox, or hull 801, and MV Glen Rosa, or hull 802. I am very pleased to welcome from Fergus...
The Convener Con Committee
27 Feb 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Thank you very much. I think that I met you at Prestwick airport when we were discussing the £43 million or thereby that had been put into it. David Tydeman, I will give you the opportunity to make a statement, too. It was disappointing not to get your update until yesterday,...
The Convener Con Committee
27 Feb 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Okay. So you are saying that the worst-case scenario is that the Glen Sannox could cost another £7 million. I am slightly concerned by your reference to the middle of June. My understanding is that Caledonian MacBrayne have employed crews since 2020—a captain and some officer...
The Convener Con Committee
27 Feb 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Well, I think that CalMac has made it clear that it will take 10 weeks to do the training. If I have misrepresented that, I am sure that I can expect a flurry of emails, but it appears that it ain’t gonna come into service until the end of August at the earliest—assuming that ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con Chamber
13 Jun 2024
Public Service Investment
I start by apologising to the Parliament. With the Presiding Officer’s approval, I am being allowed to leave the debate 15 minutes early to attend an event that I would rather not be attending—but I have to. I am pleased to be speaking in this afternoon’s debate about the pro...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con Chamber
06 Nov 2024
Urgent Question · Clyde and Hebrides Ferry Network (Winter Resilience)
The cabinet secretary mentioned that the Glen Sannox might offer some comfort. The latest reports from the yard are that delivery will be imminent; it has been imminent since about 2018, but let us hope that it is imminent. Will she clarify, because CalMac is unable to do so, ...
The Convener Con Committee
26 Nov 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
We have heard about the parts that you have taken off the Glen Rosa to build the Glen Sannox. Is that going to delay the target date?
The Convener Con Committee
26 Nov 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Before I go to Douglas Lumsden, can you just clarify something? I am confused—maybe it is because I have been looking at this for too long. I was told that LNG was an easy fuel to use, that it had been used before, that there was nothing wrong with the design of LNG ships, and...
The Convener Con Committee
26 Nov 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
If there are no other questions, I will come in with a few, as well as a comment. Having first visited 801, as it was then, when it had wooden windows and dummy stanchions on the back to secure it to the harbour, which had to be taken off, and a bulbous nose and all the rest o...
The Convener Con Committee
26 Nov 2024
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I have some questions for John Petticrew. I am sorry, John, that we have been talking about you while you have been in the room, but here is your chance to come in. In February, on behalf of the committee, Jackie Dunbar and I visited the yard. We had a look around and saw wha...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Excuse me, but I will start off by saying that that is the fourth time I have heard that speech. I heard it when I went to Clyde Blowers, I heard it when I listened to Tim Hair and I heard it from Graeme Thomson’s predecessor. Those speeches were almost exactly the same.In the...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Sorry, can you clarify that? For argument’s sake, because what is half a million pounds in the big scheme of things, let us say that the work will cost £1.5 million between the Glen Rosa and the Glen Sannox. Who is going to pay that? Interruption.Gosh, how very annoying of my ...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
With respect, my family has been in insurance for many years. I understand that, when you insure things, you insure them for the cost of replacement. I asked what the replacement cost to CalMac was and it gave me that figure, so I will definitely question that.To clarify, befo...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
When the Government made its statement the other day, it said that Ferguson’s could not be in a position in which it had to rely on Government contracts and that it also had to have contracts from elsewhere. You are fairly committed to the Government for the five years. Do you...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I have to say that that does not fill me with any confidence at all. I have heard the same thing being said before and we have ended up with increased costs. What we know is that CalMac has insured the Glen Sannox for £57 million. That is what it will cost to rebuild it. We ar...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
It sounds as if we are not going to repeat the stage where we were building the ferry before the design had been approved, which is where we were when we started the scheme with the Glen Rosa and the Glen Sannox.I have a couple of questions. I know that Duncan Anderson is not ...
The Convener Con Committee
10 Mar 2026
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I want to understand the direct award a bit more. I presume that there will be five contract payments, as there are for most ships built around the world, and not the 18 that we had for the Glen Sannox and the Glen Rosa.
The Convener Con Committee
22 Nov 2017
Transport (Update)
I have a question for the minister before we move on to Richard Lyle’s question. You were at the launch yesterday of the Glen Sannox ferry. Will it come into service in 2019 or in 2020? The date was unclear from the reports that I read.
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con Chamber
07 Jan 2020
Committee Announcement (Ferry Vessels in Scotland)
As convener of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, I am pleased to announce that we have launched an inquiry into the construction and procurement of ferry vessels in Scotland. On 18 December 2019, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Economy and Fair Work announced th...
The Convener Con Committee
05 Feb 2020
Construction and Procurement of Ferry Vessels
I have a couple of quick questions. We were told by the Government that the 801 ferry, the Glen Sannox, would be delivered in October to December 2021. Is that a reasonable target?
The Convener Con Committee
26 Aug 2020
Construction and Procurement of Ferry Vessels
If there are no other questions, I have one for you, minister. There is something that I want to understand a bit better. I understand totally how the payment system works: there are staged payments, depending on how the ship is progressing. You mentioned the bulbous bow, whic...
The Convener Con Committee
17 Feb 2021
Budget Scrutiny 2021-22
In the budget, there is £47.4 million set aside for Ferguson Marine. Is that for the construction of the MV Glen Sannox and hull 802, or is it for general running of the shipyard?
The Convener Con Committee
17 Feb 2021
Budget Scrutiny 2021-22
We heard that there was approximately £112 million more to be spent on the building of the Glen Sannox and hull 802. You have accounted for £45 million, which means—I think—that there is about £67 million still to come out for those ferries. Are those funds coming out next yea...
The Convener Con Committee
17 Feb 2021
Budget Scrutiny 2021-22
I think that I understood that, cabinet secretary. I am asking whether you are predicting that the same amount of money will be spent each year in future in the yard to help it, outwith the construction of the Glen Sannox and the 802.
The Convener Con Committee
17 Feb 2021
Budget Scrutiny 2021-22
Okay—so there will be continuing funds going to it. The votes loans for Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd are £21.9 million for 2021-22. How much of that will go to Ferguson Marine for the construction of the Glen Sannox and the 802? I am just trying to find out how much money i...
1. Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con Chamber
03 Oct 2023
Topical Question Time · MV Glen Sannox and 802 Ferries
To ask the Scottish Government what its position is on whether Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd should still accept into service the Glen Sannox and 802 ferries, in light of reports that they no longer meet the original basic design criteria. (S6T-01569)
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
There are a whole heap of questions, as you would expect. I will start off with an easy one. Looking back, when you first took over the construction, was it clear that there were serious problems with the construction of the vessel at that stage? Were you clear from day 1, wh...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
When I visited the yard in 2018, there were pipes going up the lift shaft, which would clearly not allow the lift to operate. You identified problems within three months. Why were they not picked up before? I do not understand why, after the yard was nationalised, there appear...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I am unclear why, 10 months after the yard was nationalised and we had a turnaround director in the yard, nothing was turned around and it got worse. Can you explain that?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
We paid nearly £2 million to a turnaround director who did not turn it around?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
We come to questions from Ash Regan.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
You left that answer hanging. You said that you know about the relationships that you have had in the past 18 months. You had better tell us about them, because we do not know.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
You are saying that they are hands-on.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I hope that they are all numbered correctly. Passenger cabins were also dictated on the original specification, but they were never built.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Douglas Lumsden, you have some questions and I would like to get Mark Ruskell in.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
We will go back to the subject of overhead costs, on which Mark Ruskell and Jim Fairlie want to come in.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I presume that the designs were signed off by CMAL as and when they came up, as the sponsor for the vessels. Why did it not pick up the design problems that you have talked about? Is it working with you at the moment?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I am totally confused. You have CMAL signing off the designs—the designs are a problem, and you say that they are not signed off. CMAL also signs off the payments—it signed off £82 million of a £97 million contract when only half a boat was constructed. What is going on? I do ...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Are you saying that all the problems with design that you face now fall back to your predecessor?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I do not want to cover old ground, but I know for a fact that, if I was representing a client and I signed off £82 million-worth of work and only got £30 million-worth, I would probably be for the high jump. I am an ex-surveyor, and maybe being a surveyor is different from bui...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I have one or two questions on the reasons for the delay that you have given. Who within your operation speaks to the Maritime and Coastguard Agency regarding approvals? Is it you or somebody else?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Is the compliance director the same person who has run through the whole project or did the compliance director change when the issue went to the MCA?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I wrote to you in August asking when you approached the MCA regarding the escape hatches and routes. You said that the first 1261 application was submitted in July this year, and that it was for just one escape route. You are telling me that you submitted it in July, when you ...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
I understand that and I understand that revisions 4 and 5 were done in November last year. However, revisions 7, 8 and 9, which I suspect are the ones that you are talking about at the moment, were submitted only in July this year. We have had a letter from the MCA, which is c...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Really? The committee will, I would suggest, have to consider that further, because you are saying that there is a discrepancy in somebody else’s offices, whereas the MCA is quite clearly saying that it is down to you.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Is it not disingenuous to put it in the report that you gave to Parliament that that was one of the reasons for the delay, when the delay should have been identified, or was identified, over 18 months ago? I humbly suggest that, if you had started addressing it 18 months ago, ...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
What concerns me is that the MCA letter clearly says that “there has been no reassessment” of the application of the regulations. They have not changed. You are saying that they have changed, and the MCA is saying they have not, so it is your word against the MCA’s.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Yes, it is a fairly damning letter. Does anyone want to come in on the MCA letter before I ask a slightly different question?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Andrew Miller, you are aware of all these delays. From the board’s point of view, are you comfortable that assumptions were made that proved not to be valid at the end of the day?
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
David Tydeman, before we move on to some other questions from other members, could you just clarify? You said that these additional fire escape routes and the known requirements to be met will reduce the passenger carrying capacity from 1,000 to the 800s, I think. What effect ...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Indeed, which is why I think the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee questioned why they were asking for a ferry to be built with 1,000 seats on it. However, my question to you was whether it is still exactly the same number of cars and lorries.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
The ferry as built will still meet the dead-weight requirements and the speed requirements in the original contract.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
So it will meet the original contract.
The Convener Con Committee
24 Oct 2023
MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)
Douglas, I think that you have some further questions.
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Meeting of the Parliament 04 March 2026 [Draft]

04 Mar 2026 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ferries
Mountain, Edward Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I thank the Liberal Democrats, particularly Jamie Greene, for bringing the debate to Parliament. Over the past 10 years, he and I have shared many committee meetings where we looked at hulls 801 and 802, and it is those vessels that I will concentrate on today.

When I was at school, when we were learning about history and Henry VIII, we were taught a little rhyme that went, “Divorced, beheaded, died; divorced, beheaded, survived”. When it comes to teaching how the Government handled hulls 801 and 802, we will be reminded that it was a case of, “Redesigned, replaced, repurposed”. When it comes to ministers, or anyone in Transport Scotland or CMAL, the one “R” that is missing from that saying is that no one was removed.

I am sure that I do not need to remind members of the many ministers who have presided over the ferries fiasco. We have had Derek Mackay, Humza Yousaf, Graeme Dey, Jenny Gilruth, Kevin Stewart and Fiona Hyslop, who, in her second incarnation when it comes to ferries, seems to be doing a lot better. We have had cabinet secretaries in the form of Michael Matheson, Màiri McAllan and now Fiona Hyslop again.

In all the time that I have been considering the ferries issue, I have not seen anyone being fired over this fiasco. I do not need to remind members, because we have already been reminded, that the contract was awarded in 2015, and it was 2017 when the—as it appeared to be at that stage—floating bathtub that was to become the Glen Sannox was launched. When those contracts were awarded, we knew that most yards across the world were working on the basis of five stage payments when it came to ferries, but—oh, no—the Scottish Government decided to work with 18 stage payments. When the yard was eventually nationalised, we paid £82 million of the £97 million, but we did not even have a ferry that was fit for purpose.

Then things got progressively worse. We end up now, as we have been told, with £460 million having been spent on the ferries, with additional loans to Ferguson Marine of £15 million and £30 million. Interestingly, no one knew that the two loans were going ahead; they went ahead sort of independently.

If we look at the total money that has been spent on the Ferguson Marine yard, it is about £1.5 million per employee. Members should let that sink in—£1.5 million per employee. Do I begrudge them that? Not a bit of it, in the sense that it is not the employees who are at fault here but the management, together with the Government’s failure to manage the situation. Let me be clear: the Government might think that it can argue that we have value for money, but, when the Glen Sannox was insured the other day, it was insured for £50 million. That is the rebuild cost. We know that building it has cost four times that amount. The market says that it would cost £50 million to replace the Glen Sannox, but look at how much we have paid.

As we come to the end of the debate, my question is, who has lost their job? No one in Transport Scotland. I can point to one or two civil servants who have moved sideways and then been promoted to other jobs. I can point to a few ministers who have moved sideways and then been promoted to other jobs. One or two ministers have disappeared out of the Parliament for other reasons, but we will not go into that.

What have the islanders got for that? They have lost business and they have lost out on receiving care—they have genuinely lost out. For that, the Parliament should be ashamed. I hope that the Government will hang its head when it comes to this ferry fiasco.

Before I close, I will just say that I have appreciated the companionship of Fiona Hyslop in the Parliament. I have enjoyed working alongside her—not always with her, and sometimes against her—and she has always done so with good humour, which has made my time in the Parliament all the richer.

16:34

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20957, in the name of Jamie Greene, on fixing Scotland’s ferries fiasco.15:57
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
Presiding Officer, I have been accused, over the years, of banging on about ferries in the chamber, and that is absolutely right. If you had told me 10 years...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
This debate is helpfully timed to allow me to build on my statement yesterday to the Parliament. Yesterday, I chaired a meeting of the Ardrossan task force t...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in support of the motion that was lodged by Jamie Greene on fixing Scotland’s ferry fiasco.For too long, Scotland’s islands and coastal...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Sue Webber Con
I will not, Mr Gibson, as I have very limited time and quite a significant amount to carry on with.That figure will rise further now that the charter has bee...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Ms Webber, you must conclude.
Sue Webber Con
In conclusion, it is time to stop Scotland’s ferry fiasco. It is time to restore trust.I move amendment S6M-20957.2, to insert at end:“; notes that the combi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Rhoda Grant, who joins us remotely, to speak to and move amendment S6M-20957.1.16:13
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
As the cabinet secretary said, we had a statement yesterday that tried to draw a line under the ferry fiasco, but, sadly, it did not. We are still seeing pro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call on Maggie Chapman to open on behalf of the Scottish Greens.16:17
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the Liberal Democrats for bringing this important debate to the chamber, because Scotland’s island and coastal communities deserve much bett...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the open debate.16:21
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Ferries are critical infrastructure for Scotland’s islands—islands that are, according to Scottish Government social media posts, “central to Scotland’s futu...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Beatrice Wishart LD
I do not have any time; I am going to continue.Yet the issues that respondents raised were the same in 2023 as those that Transport Scotland reported in 2025...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Beatrice Wishart LD
I have no time—sorry.A prior long-standing policy of allowing sharing of cabins offered many people a cheaper, more comfortable way to travel. However, that ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I first pay tribute to the cabinet secretary, Fiona Hyslop. Today we heard her last speech after 27 years serving her constituents in this Parliament, 17 of ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I thank the Liberal Democrats, particularly Jamie Greene, for bringing the debate to Parliament. Over the past 10 years, he and I have shared many committee ...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I remind members of my voluntary register of trade union interests.It never ceases to amaze me that something just as distinctively and as quintessentially S...
Edward Mountain Con
It was the Government that failed.
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
It was private ownership.
Richard Leonard Lab
In fact, because of persistent pressure from this Parliament’s Public Audit Committee, the Government has been required to bring in the accountants—Interrupt...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Mr Leonard, please resume your seat for a second. I am looking at two members who are having a conversation across the chamber from sedentary positions, whic...
Richard Leonard Lab
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. Let me return to this point: because of persistent pressure from this Parliament’s Public Audit Committee, the Govern...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Richard Leonard Lab
If I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Briefly, Jamie Halcro Johnston.
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
I always enjoy listening to Richard Leonard speak. However, I tell him as an islander—I think that I speak on behalf of many islanders in the northern isles—...