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Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
06 Jun 2019
First Responders (Trauma Recovery and Support)
I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for the opportunity to debate this important matter. His motion calls on the Scottish Government to bring forward a national first responder trauma recovery strategy, and I am pleased to support that call. We are all hugely appreciative of our first ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
20 Dec 2016
Improving the Care Experience for Looked-after Children
I am grateful for the opportunity to take part in today’s debate. When we in the chamber debate care, we often focus on the systems through which we provide support for some of the most vulnerable children in our society, yet we also know that caring is, fundamentally, a very ...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
22 Jun 2017
Child Poverty (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 33 requires the Scottish Government to consult people with direct experience of poverty. The bill requires consultation with groups that represent poor families, which clearly have considerable experience of the challenges that we face and of how we can make inroads ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
23 Apr 2019
Social Security and In-work Poverty
I, too, thank all who gave evidence in writing and in person to the committee and I thank the clerks and advisers who helped to prepare the report. Poverty statistics that were released just a few weeks ago make for truly sobering reading. As we have heard, nearly two thirds ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
28 May 2019
Universal Credit and Mental Health
Our social security system should do what it says on the tin. It should be there for all of us when we need it, to provide support and security. However, too often, it does the opposite: it can foster insecurity, anxiety and—as the title of the report that we are debating toda...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
24 Nov 2022
Decision Time
The result of the division on motion S6M-06924, in the name of Angela Constance, on the national drugs mission: taking concrete action to tackle stigma, as amended, is: For 90, Against 28, Abstentions 0. Motion, as amended, agreed to, That the Parliament acknowledges that st...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
22 May 2013
Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Bill
Dennis Robertson and I met an officer with a great deal of experience of environmental health and trading standards, who was absolutely fascinating. We could have talked to him for twice as long.Among the main points that came up was the inclusion of the economic duty in the b...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
05 Oct 2016
Employment Services (Devolution)
Although some of the parties—mine included—that are represented in the chamber were disappointed with the overall package of powers that have been, or are being, devolved by the new Scotland Act 2016, some individual powers can be used in creative and radical ways, perhaps eve...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
26 Apr 2017
Carers and Social Care
I am proud to lead a debate that calls for greater recognition and support for all those who provide care, whether by working in our overstretched social care sector or by providing unpaid care, and I am proud to commit to the principle that high-quality social care should ult...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
01 May 2019
Nursery Funding (Deferred Entry to Primary School)
I thank Fulton MacGregor and the excellent give them time campaign, whose work has ensured that a fully transparent, consistent approach that puts the child at the centre of decisions to defer entry to primary school is being debated in the chamber this evening. I am wholly su...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
06 Oct 2020
Miscarriage
I also thank Shona Robison for bringing the issue to Parliament today. I will confess that I have forgotten to put on my changing miscarriage care badge, but that in no way diminishes my whole-hearted support for the campaign. I also attended the cross-party group on women’s ...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA Chamber
14 Jan 2026
Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Resolution
The next item of business is consideration of motion S6M-20377, in the name of Shona Robison, on a financial resolution for the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill. I call Natalie Don-Innes to move the motion. Motion moved, That the Parliam...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Oct 2013
Citizens Advice Youth Outreach
I, too, thank Jim Hume for securing the debate. As he suggested, Citizens Advice Scotland is a national institution. Its work with people throughout our communities in Scotland has made it invaluable, and it is the first port of call for many people in crises. It is fair to sa...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
04 Dec 2014
Violence against Women
I am pleased to take part in this important debate, as to openly debate and discuss this subject is a way of helping to reduce society’s tolerance of violence against women. I thank all the organisations that have provided briefings for today. In the face of proliferating vi...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
24 Sep 2014
Referendum Debate
Scotland has voted no and I respect the democratic outcome of the vote. In fact, Scotland did so much more than vote: Scotland became a participative democracy and the change was almost palpable. We must strive to maintain that level of participation. The vote did not delive...
Alison Johnstone Green Chamber
20 Mar 2014
Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am minded to listen to the evidence of the many experts who came before the committee and who quite clearly stated that there will be a greater chance of breakage as a result of the increase. Why should we put ourselves in the position of having to deal with such breakages? ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
02 Mar 2017
Scottish Apprenticeship Week 2017
I thank Fulton McGregor for the debate. I am certainly glad that it is not about a certain TV show and its hosts. Apprenticeship week is about promoting apprenticeships as an important and rewarding career path, and about celebrating businesses that value training their staff...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
07 Sep 2017
Universal Credit
I thank Alex Rowley for securing this important debate. We have heard much about the botched roll-out of universal credit, and my own constituents in Musselburgh will know better than anyone about the problems that have been caused, because Musselburgh was one of the first are...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
18 Jan 2018
Social Isolation and Loneliness
There is a great deal of consensus in the chamber on this issue. I even agree entirely with Jeremy Balfour, particularly regarding what he said about Murdo Fraser and Facebook. I agree, too, with Mark Griffin, who said that the issue is cross-cutting—there are education impact...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
22 Feb 2018
Social Security (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I begin by addressing Mr Balfour’s comments. He frequently shares his experience with members; I feel that it is important that we do not assume that our personal experience is universally shared. Citizens Advice Scotland’s briefing for today’s proceedings says: “From consult...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
17 May 2018
Everyone’s Business Campaign
I, too, thank Clare Haughey, for securing the debate and the Maternal Mental Health Alliance for its campaign on perinatal mental healthcare and treatment. I thank all organisations that work in this important area and I thank my colleagues, whose contributions have been passi...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
24 Oct 2018
Deaths Abroad (Support for Families)
I, too, thank Angela Constance for securing the debate. Each of us in the chamber has experienced the loss of a loved one. We know how painful, sad and empty life can feel when someone so loved and so close to us is no longer here. That is all the worse when the death is of a ...
Alison Johnstone Green Chamber
06 Nov 2018
Poverty
I confirm that the Greens will support the Government motion at decision time, as well as the Lib Dem and Labour amendments. We will not support the Conservative amendment. The cabinet secretary focused on many of the flaws of universal credit, not least the five-week wait, a...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
06 Dec 2018
Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Greens support the general principles of the bill and we will vote accordingly at decision time. However, concerns have been raised by many groups, including the Royal College of Nursing, allied health professionals and COSLA, and we encourage the Scottish Government to gi...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
29 Jan 2019
Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will start by addressing Brian Whittle’s comments. I agree whole-heartedly that ensuring that our staff have adequate time to develop themselves professionally will empower them and make sure that they are educated in the latest innovations and developments in their field. I...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
12 Sep 2019
Drug Deaths
I, too, thank Monica Lennon for bringing the debate to Parliament today. It is truly a national shame and scandal that so many people have had their lives destroyed by drugs. The Greens have always been clear that it is a public health issue rather than a criminal justice issu...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
19 Sep 2019
Social Security Scotland (First Anniversary)
I thank Shona Robison for the opportunity to debate this issue. The transfer of responsibility over some areas of social security to the Scottish Parliament is a major milestone on Scotland’s devolution journey. It gives us the opportunity to reclaim the idea that when we prov...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Dec 2019
Food Insecurity
I thank Alex Rowley for bringing the debate to the chamber. We in the Scottish Greens are hugely supportive of the work that A Menu for Change has achieved. I was particularly proud to chair a meeting in Parliament just three weeks ago on the A Menu for Change project, its res...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
01 Sep 2020
Development of Policy on Handling Harassment Complaints
Prospect’s written submission notes that “there was concern about bullying behaviour in the Scottish private office, this had been a long standing concern across a number of administrations”. We have learned from our evidence so far—the permanent secretary told us—that a fin...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
01 Mar 2023
Decision Time
The next question is, that motion S6M-08053, in the name of Kevin Stewart, on a dementia strategy, be agreed to. Motion agreed to, That the Parliament welcomes the holding of a National Conversation to inform a New Dementia Strategy for Scotland in late 2022; recognises the ...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA Chamber
19 Mar 2026
Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-21102, in the name of Natalie Don-Innes, on the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. I would be grateful if members who wish to take part in the debate were to press their request...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA Chamber
18 Mar 2026
Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Members will be aware that I am required, under standing orders, to decide whether, in my view, any provision of a bill relates to a protected subject matter—that is, whether it modifies the electoral system and franchise for Scottish parliamentary elections. In my view, no pr...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA Chamber
14 Jan 2026
Decision Time
There are three questions to be put as a result of today’s business. The first question is, that motion S6M-20389, in the name of Natalie Don-Innes, on the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill, be agreed to. Motion agreed to, That the Parlia...
The Presiding Officer NPA Chamber
14 Jan 2026
Decision Time
The next question is, that motion S6M-20377, in the name of Shona Robison, on a financial resolution for the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill, be agreed to. Motion agreed to, That the Parliament, for the purposes of any Act of the Scotti...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA Chamber
07 Jan 2026
Business Motions
The next item of business is consideration of business motion S6M-20313, in the name of Graeme Dey, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme. Motion moved, That the Parliament agrees— (a) the following programme of business— Tuesday 13 Januar...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
07 Jun 2012
Common Fisheries Policy
Fishing our seas sustainably means maintaining a healthy ecosystem that supports more fish and more fishing jobs. It is worth saying that at the start, because it is the common ground for, and of common benefit to, all parties that are involved in the debate on fisheries polic...
Alison Johnstone Green Chamber
17 May 2012
Physical Activity
I welcome the generally consensual nature of the debate. There has been some disagreement, on the two hours of PE for example, but I think that it is fair to say that we all know that if children have access only to two hours of PE each week, we will not see a fit, healthy Sco...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
29 Mar 2012
Cycling
It is often the case that the public are ahead of the politicians. In our capital city, on certain routes and at certain times of day, up to 20 per cent of the vehicles on the roads are bikes. Cycling rates in Edinburgh are becoming respectable, but the picture nationally is m...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
13 Sep 2012
Fife Diet Food Manifesto
I, too, welcome Paul Wheelhouse to his vital ministerial role, welcome the authors of the Fife diet to the chamber and thank Claire Baker for giving us the opportunity to debate the food manifesto.The Fife diet initiative understands the problems that society faces across a wi...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
20 Sep 2012
Community Sport Inquiry
This is a timely debate, because we are hearing a lot about the Olympic legacy, preventative spending and community empowerment.I welcome Duncan McNeil’s comment that we must support elite and grass-roots sport, and I welcome the focus on what volunteers and local sports clubs...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
27 Feb 2013
Alternatives to GDP
I would welcome your view on how Oxfam’s humankind index approach might help to counter the mismatch between people’s experience of life and how official statistics describe their situation, as noted in the Stiglitz commission report.
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
18 Dec 2012
Topical Question Time · Musical Instrument Tuition
I, too, am very pleased to welcome the new funding for instruments. Music tuition is a life-affirming experience and should be open to all young people who want it. However, constituents of mine have raised with me concerns that special schools may not have access to the new i...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
18 Dec 2012
Commonwealth Games 2014
This summer, the Commonwealth deputy secretary general said:“Sport isn’t just about competition and elite athletes ... but under the right circumstances, it can convey important democratic principles such as tolerance, solidarity, co-operation and respect. It can also foster i...
Alison Johnstone Green Chamber
22 Nov 2012
Further Education
I will try to come on to those issues.In contrast with the Westminster Government, the Scottish Government has shown that it believes that access to education should be based on the ability to learn and not the ability to pay. What the Government must do now is ensure that the...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
10 Jan 2013
Youth Employment
I, too, congratulate Jayne Baxter on her thought-provoking and well-measured maiden speech. I was one of the young people who took part in the YTS—I was a yopper—and from that training post I secured permanent employment, so I share her conviction regarding initiatives to less...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Jan 2013
Biodiversity
In 2009, a team of 29 distinguished environmental and earth systems scientists sat down to work out how far human activity is stretching our planet’s ability to sustain life. They identified nine ways in which human activity has stressed and undermined what they call the “plan...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
28 Feb 2013
Enough Food for Everyone If Campaign
I welcome the opportunity to discuss these issues in the chamber today. The resources of so many organisations working together can help focus minds on important global issues such as the ones raised by the if campaign and the motion: land grabbing, tax dodging and the impact ...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
24 Apr 2013
Bannockburn 2014
We obviously want to ensure that local businesses, hoteliers, restaurants and so on experience as many benefits as possible. In terms of Scotland more widely, many people will come for what is a very attractive event. Caroline Packman, I think, said that 30, and perhaps even u...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
07 May 2013
Dads Rock
I congratulate Gordon MacDonald on securing today’s debate and on enabling us to celebrate the notable achievements of Dads Rock, a charity that provides an ever-flourishing support and a lively social scene for fathers and their children. The brainchild of two Edinburgh dads—...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
04 Jun 2013
Underemployment
Presiding Officer, I apologise for missing the opening words of the debate.A new United Nations report entitled “Global Employment Trends for Youth 2013” tells us that 73 million young people will be out of work this year. Even in Scotland, the unemployment rate among 16 to 25...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
30 Oct 2013
Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Finally, I see that, in its submission, Citizens Advice Scotland notes its disappointment that“the Bill makes no mention of the problems that undischarged bankrupts experience retaining their bank account”and argues that the issue should be looked at urgently and covered in th...
Alison Johnstone Green Committee
04 Dec 2013
Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I would rather push on, if members do not mind.Marco Biagi suggested that there is no need to worry because the bill says that the duty will not impact on a regulator’s primary focus, but I think that regulators should be able to focus entirely on their main duty. It is more t...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
17 Dec 2013
Violence against Women
As members said, men’s violence kills or incapacitates more women each year than cancer, malaria, road traffic accidents and war combined. That statement is in Zero Tolerance’s briefing, and I had to read it several times. UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon is right to insist th...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
18 Dec 2013
Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I, too, thank the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee’s dedicated team of clerks, our adviser and the witnesses who contributed evidence.I welcome the fact that the Government and Parliament have given attention to bankruptcy law. Bankruptcy is one of those things in life th...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Committee
22 Jan 2014
Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Like Mr MacKenzie, I have heard all the evidence as the bill has progressed to stage 2 but, as far as I am aware, no one has ever suggested that people who can afford to pay their debts should not do so. It is fair to say that a broad spectrum of organisations are against the ...
Alison Johnstone Green Chamber
22 Apr 2014
Football Clubs (Fan Ownership)
Does the member agree that we can look at clubs that have great experience of community ownership models—Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund and so on—to establish what needs to be in place to ensure that there is a sustainable, sound future and avoid the situations that he descr...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
28 May 2014
Scotland’s Future
Childcare is one of the many issues on which we can make real progress in Scotland if we do not treat it as a political football. Scrutiny of how we are going to pay for it is welcome—obviously, the finances are important if any Government is to deliver on promises. I welcome ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
26 Jun 2014
City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Bill: Final Stage
First, I declare my interests as a City of Edinburgh councillor from 2007 to 2011, a current Lothian MSP and a board member of Fields in Trust Scotland. I, too, thank the committee members, and the clerks who supported them in their deliberations. As an Edinburgh councillor, ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
12 Mar 2015
Mental Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I start by applauding the work of our front-line medical services in this area. They do a fantastic job with patients, who can present with some of the most complex needs in the NHS. Equally important are the community organisations that improve people’s mental health with sup...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green Chamber
11 Jun 2015
Employee Rights and Access to Justice
This is a truly important debate, because employee rights are vital to protecting people in the workplace. They can protect us when things go wrong, when companies get into difficulties or in the face of unscrupulous employers, and they have been hard won by labour and trade u...
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Meeting of the Parliament 06 June 2019

06 Jun 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
First Responders (Trauma Recovery and Support)

I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for the opportunity to debate this important matter. His motion calls on the Scottish Government to bring forward a national first responder trauma recovery strategy, and I am pleased to support that call. We are all hugely appreciative of our first responders. We are beyond grateful to all who intervene to save lives. In some cases, they are not professionals, but people who step in until trained first responders arrive at the scene.

One of my brothers has been a firefighter for 22 years. I asked him about his experience of accessing support, whether there are any barriers and, if so, what they might be. He has good support at home. His wife is a neonatal nurse and is ideally placed to understand the desire to protect and preserve life, because that is what they have chosen to do for a living. She knows him well enough to understand what kind of day he might have had without the need for him to go into the sort of detail that he might not be ready to share at the end of a shift and that might take some time to come to terms with.

When I ask him how he is getting on, he will tell me about station banter, communal cooking on shift and how busy it has been, but he does not go into detail. However, as members might imagine, in an on-going career of more than two decades to date, he has seen what he describes as “horror stories”.

I know that he was sent to the Clutha helicopter crash that Brian Whittle mentioned. Most of us will never come across a badly burned body and we will never see a body hemmed in and slumped over a steering wheel, never to move again. We may have seen loved ones as they have passed away. That is never easy, whether it is expected or not, but it is exceptionally demanding when someone’s everyday work is focused on helping people in the most challenging of circumstances.

My brother appears to take much of it in his stride, and that is a testament to the training provided by the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. However, there are occasions when he and his colleagues are faced with demanding, uncertain events, with outcomes that devastate people and their families.

In his experience in the fire service, if there is a fatality or a critical incident, a questionnaire is sent to the firefighter’s home address—it is sent there to give that person the space and time that they need to complete it, if they wish to. It is voluntary. In 22 years of service, my brother has filled in the four-page questionnaire on many occasions. He says that it is very well designed to elicit the information required. In 22 years, he has requested to use the counselling service once, as he had been experiencing flashbacks following a critical incident.

The counsellor he saw was hugely helpful to him in processing the particular experience that had sent him there. However, he is clear that it is vitally important that counsellors have the appropriate skills, as there is the potential to hinder rather than help. He is hugely grateful to the excellent staff at the Rivers centre in Edinburgh.

He understands that, at times, what might be called bottling it up can be a perfectly understandable coping mechanism, but that at other times professional assistance to share information and process it in the most helpful manner is essential. He told me that when he went to the Rivers centre he was expecting people in white coats, but it was the polar opposite—he said that people could take their partner, wife or friend to the appointment.

Clearly, my brother is speaking as a member of the fire service and cannot speak for all first responders or for our other essential emergency services, but he firmly believes that such services must be available to all first responders in all emergency services and outwith them, including individuals who intervene in traumatic situations and social workers, who may experience situations that we cannot comprehend. They all need that help to be in place.

My brother is content for me to share his experience in order to help ensure that no one hesitates to ask for help when they require it. It is important that first responders and our emergency services do not feel that we expect them to be superhuman—dealing with extreme situations on a daily basis, but unable to admit that they need to take care of themselves, not just us. We must ensure that, when it is needed, the right help is there, as a matter of urgency. That is the least that we can do.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-17253, in the name of Alex Cole-Hamilton, on trauma recovery and support for first resp...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful to have the opportunity to lead this members’ business debate, and to be able to pay tribute to Scotland’s first responders—those who are profe...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for bringing the debate to the chamber, and for his moving speech. I will focus on adverse childhood experiences and the role of p...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I add my thanks to Alex Cole-Hamilton for bringing the debate to the chamber. One of the things that we are talking about today is the fact that trauma is no...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Alex Cole-Hamilton on his success in bringing this important debate to the chamber and, if I may say so, on his moving and insightful speech. ...
The Minister for Mental Health (Clare Haughey) SNP
For clarification, I point out that, obviously, the NHS has a duty of care to its staff and it has in-house counselling services that staff can access, on a ...
David Stewart Lab
I am aware of that. As the minister knows from our recent joint visit to New Craigs psychiatric hospital in Inverness, staff on the front line can experience...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for the opportunity to debate this important matter. His motion calls on the Scottish Government to bring forward a national first...
Tom Mason (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for securing the debate and for sharing his deeply personal experiences with us. We rightly pay significant attention to injuries ...
The Minister for Mental Health (Clare Haughey) SNP
I am pleased to respond on behalf of the Government. I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for securing this important debate, and I thank Janice Malone for bravely sha...