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Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
12 Jan 2017
Education and Skills Organisations (Performance and Role)
I, too, extend my thanks to the Education and Skills Committee convener for opening the debate, and recognise the contribution of all committee members who, since May last year, have worked extremely well together to scrutinise the public bodies and agencies responsible for de...
Ross Thomson Con Committee
21 Dec 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
Thank you. Following on from that and from your point about the assessment redesign that is being undertaken by SQA, I note that on 2 November you stated to the committee that “It is intolerable if there are errors ... in exam papers.”—Official Report, Education and Skills Co...
Ross Thomson Con Committee
23 Nov 2016
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2017-18 (Scottish Qualifications Authority)
One theme that came out of the presentation that we had during our visit to the SQA was that giving significantly more support to the system for continuing professional development and teacher training creates a cost pressure. We were advised that that role had been carried ou...
Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
21 Dec 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
The committee’s Scottish Parliament information centre briefing for today’s meeting says that the budget for curriculum for excellence is being reduced across SQA, Education Scotland and central Government budgets. That comes at a time when the SQA has told the committee that ...
Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
18 Jan 2017
Curriculum for Excellence
Yet again, my question is about subject choice. In following Education Scotland and SQA guidance, a number of authorities in North East Scotland took a narrow view of needing 160 hours for a course in one year rather than over two years and therefore six subjects could be done...
Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Committee
23 Nov 2016
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2017-18 (Scottish Qualifications Authority)
Thank you, convener. I, too, extend my thanks to our witnesses for welcoming us to their headquarters in Glasgow. I found the visit really helpful; thanks for your time last week. During that visit, a key theme on resources that came through for me was that of how the SQA is ...
Ross Thomson Con Committee
23 Nov 2016
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2017-18 (Scottish Qualifications Authority)
Other members have highlighted mistakes that have been made—particularly the typographical errors that were in the national 5 computing exam. We know that the SQA is responsible for such mistakes and that they ranged from grammatical mistakes to questions that simply could not...
Ross Thomson Con Committee
23 Nov 2016
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2017-18 (Scottish Qualifications Authority)
I have a supplementary that follows on from the convener’s questioning. As you know, we conducted an online survey, to which 71 per cent of the respondents were teachers. Sixty-seven per cent of all the respondents expressed distrust in the SQA by disagreeing or strongly disag...
Ross Thomson Con Committee
23 Nov 2016
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2017-18 (Scottish Qualifications Authority)
I have a question on quality assurance. Questions have been raised about markers for geography and computing science. I was contacted by a constituent whose son was predicted to get five As but ended up getting four As and failing geography, despite achieving 92 per cent in hi...
Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
08 Mar 2017
Education
I thank Iain Gray and the Labour Party for bringing the debate to the chamber, although I am sorry to say that it has been thoroughly depressing. Of course, I am in no way talking about the members who contributed; I am talking about the issues, concerns and simple facts of Sc...
Ross Thomson (North East Scotland) (Con) Con Chamber
29 Mar 2017
Education
I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing forward this debate. When improving educational standards is supposed to be the defining mission of the Government, it is right that we have a frank debate about the real issues in education and thoroughly scrutinise the role of educa...
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Meeting of the Parliament 12 January 2017

12 Jan 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education and Skills Organisations (Performance and Role)
Thomson, Ross Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I, too, extend my thanks to the Education and Skills Committee convener for opening the debate, and recognise the contribution of all committee members who, since May last year, have worked extremely well together to scrutinise the public bodies and agencies responsible for delivering Scottish education.

The thrust of my speech will be on the SQA and Education Scotland.

I, along with Fulton MacGregor, had the opportunity to visit the SQA in Glasgow to discuss a range of issues with officials prior to our formal evidence session in the Education and Skills Committee on 23 November. That was extremely helpful.

From both the visit and the evidence that the committee heard from Dr Janet Brown, it is clear that, with the SQA going through an intense period of assessment redesign for diet 18, on top of its programme of transformation—which is beyond the commercial activity that it undertakes and business as usual—there are quite serious resource issues.

In answering my question on that very issue, Dr Brown confirmed that the SQA fully expects “to require additional resources” and that, in developing and delivering the new qualifications, it “will be a challenge” to engage with teachers—the very people who we expect to deliver the qualifications. As both Daniel Johnson and Ross Greer mentioned, that comes at a time when the committee has received a substantial body of evidence from teachers that communication from the SQA is poor and that there has been a clear breakdown in trust.

One submission stated:

“I am afraid that my current experience of the SQA is almost entirely negative ... Documentation is highly complex, repetitive and difficult to access”.

To quote my committee colleague Johann Lamont, the SQA is living in a “parallel universe” if it thinks that it has a “strong working relationship” with teachers.

Similarly, in responding to the Education Committee’s survey, a majority of teachers expressed a view that Education Scotland does not improve schooling and that it either contributed “not at all” or “a little” to building a world-class curriculum, improving performance or promoting high-quality professional learning.

The committee’s evidence has pointed to teachers being swamped by guidance and documentation. One teacher cited 81 pages of guidance in five different documents across three different websites. The amount of bureaucracy has caused committee members to warn that the SQA is

“in danger of sinking in a sea of jargon”.—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 23 November 2016; c 20.]

That is almost identical to the concerns raised in relation to Education Scotland, which prompted action to remove 90 per cent of 20,000 pages of examples and case studies in a move to reduce and to clarify guidance.

Further, there was serious criticism from teachers that some exams were the worst they had ever seen. Mistakes and inaccuracies plagued national 5 computing exams and higher maths and geography. In his evidence to the committee, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills stated:

“It is intolerable if there are errors ... in exam papers”.—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 2 November 2016; c 20.]

Dr Janet Brown stated:

“We should not have errors in our exam papers”,—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 23 November 2016; c 9.]

yet those errors are happening. Teachers raised concerns with the committee, saying that

“There have been so many mistakes—from the exam to the UASP”—

a unit assessment support package—

“and ... we no longer trust anything that comes from”

the SQA.

That issue has been touched on by members, particularly Fulton MacGregor. I have to admit that I draw a slightly different conclusion on exams overall, because there is powerful and consistent criticism from teachers about the lack of effective scrutiny and transparency. The SQA believes that mistakes are happening because

“people are working extremely hard”—[Official Report, Education and Skills Committee, 23 November 2016; c 9.]

and that there is a need for it to have “appropriate engagements with institutions” in place to improve quality assurance.

From the evidence, it is clear that the resource issues and failings in leadership need to be addressed. The fundamental fact is that the SQA and Education Scotland have lost the trust and confidence of teachers and that should raise the most serious of concerns for us all. If teachers do not have faith in them, how on earth can we expect parents to have faith in those institutions and to have faith that the system provides quality education to their children?

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