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Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Dec 2025
Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Holdings Limited
I commend Richard Leonard, as convener of the Public Audit Committee, for insisting that the Parliament should debate the conclusions and recommendations that are contained in the committee’s report, “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Holdings Limited”. Altho...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
04 Mar 2026
“NHS in Scotland 2025: Finance and performance”
As you know, I sit on the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and there are a few times when that committee has found it difficult to obtain witnesses from health boards. This is the Public Audit Committee, but the audit function is for the whole Parliament to undertake. ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
25 Feb 2026
Section 22 Reports: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran” and “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
:One of the criticisms in the external audit was that the whole-system plan did not sufficiently demonstrate what you are doing to improve things. Are you developing an improvement plan that is similar to that of NHS Grampian?
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Committee
11 Feb 2026
“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”
First, I put on the record an interest that I have: a close family member works in forensics, so I will steer clear of any questions that directly relate to that.The first area on which I will focus is equalities. The report reminds us that, in 2023, the then chief constable—q...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
25 Apr 2023
Community Planning Inquiry (Post-legislative Scrutiny of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015)
Obviously, Audit Scotland and the Accounts Commission have a particular role in looking at the landscape. Audit Scotland in particular has been able to highlight, in a way that others maybe could not do with confidence, that there has been a shift in the focus. For council chi...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
20 Mar 2025
Committee Effectiveness Inquiry
Thanks very much for that. It was really helpful. The last area that I will focus on is the impact of scrutiny and audit work, which we have touched on a couple of times. Gemma Diamond, to start the discussion on audit scrutiny, will you give us Audit Scotland’s experience of...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”
There is an opportunity here for the board to grasp what you have been saying about increased transparency and drive that home, so that it can get the change and the information that it needs to do the job that it is expected to do. I guess that that is what audit should be ab...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Mar 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
You mentioned the audit and risk committee. There was concern that that committee had not received the information and support that it required, but you have said that it is now getting more support. Are you confident that it is now getting the information and support that it ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Mar 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
That makes sense, but there is a need to ensure that the process is more transparent. Maybe the auditors should have been able to identify that somewhere. It is important for audit purposes that those meetings are not just happening but minuted and recorded.Lesley, something w...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Committee
17 Mar 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
I have a couple of questions around governance and transparency. I know that, in your opening remarks, you acknowledged the challenges around transparency, and Lesley Fraser responded in some detail to Graham Simpson’s question on certain aspects of transparency, so we do not ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
25 Feb 2026
Section 22 Reports: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran” and “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
:I have a final question for NHS Grampian. On making public services more efficient, the Government is keen that we work together across public services. Are you looking to share more of the back-office work and salaries across the two local authorities and the health board? A...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
25 Feb 2026
Section 22 Reports: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran” and “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
:I guess that the hope is that patients will see the benefit at the end of it. Working across the public services will be more complex for you because of the landscape—you have more local authorities, for a start. Are you managing to pull that together to make savings, particu...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Committee
25 Feb 2026
Section 22 Reports: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran” and “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
Some areas of questioning have been covered, and I might focus more on NHS Grampian, given that Jamie Greene focused more on NHS Ayrshire and Arran. For transparency, I note that a number of my family members work on the front line in NHS Grampian. I do not think that anything...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
25 Feb 2026
Section 22 Reports: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran” and “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
:Will you share those priorities for the record?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
25 Feb 2026
Section 22 Reports: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran” and “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
:Alison, we have worked together on a number of things so I know that what I am going to ask about—transparency—is something that you care about. When you make decisions, can the public see what those decisions are? Are you publishing all that?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
25 Feb 2026
Section 22 Reports: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran” and “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
:I have a couple of questions for NHS Ayrshire and Arran, which is a little bit behind NHS Grampian in terms of escalation to level 4. What do you hope to get from that? Is it something similar to what NHS Grampian has experienced?
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Committee
14 Jan 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”
Some of my questions have been touched on already, but I will go into them in a bit more depth. It feels like there are long-standing cultural issues that existed long before the audit and the specific issues with the accountable officer, but there is also a lack of transparen...
The Convener (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP Committee
05 Oct 2011
Draft Budget 2012-13 and Spending Review 2011
I welcome everyone to the seventh meeting in 2011 of the Local Government and Regeneration Committee in this session. As usual, I ask everyone to ensure that mobile phones and other electronic devices are switched off. We have received apologies from Ruth Davidson, who cannot ...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP Chamber
01 Jun 2016
Parliamentary Bureau Motion
Members should be aware that the Presiding Officer, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, will write to the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee, once it is established, to ask it to consider extending the remits of four of the mandatory committees. The com...
The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP Committee
30 Apr 2019
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning. The order that is before the committee is largely technical in nature, but I thought that it would be helpful to put on record some background and context to its purpose. The independent living fund was a United Kingdom scheme that made care payments to severely...
The Convener (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP Committee
25 Oct 2022
Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24
Welcome to the 26th meeting in 2022 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received no apologies. The first item on our agenda is to take evidence from stakeholders as part of our pre-budget scrutiny. I refer members to papers 2 and 3. I welcome ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
03 Sep 2025
“The 2022/23 audit of Lews Castle College”
Most of the questions that I was going to ask have been covered, but I just want to probe that final point a little bit further. It seems to be pretty incredible that the college management made the decision to impair a value from £4.7 million down to £1 without some evidence ...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”
I want to ask some questions about leadership and governance, but first I will pick up from Colin Beattie’s question about the acute director role. He was focusing on what has happened since that position was filled in August 2024, but we have a remaining question. That critic...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”
Okay. It seems to me that, if everything was going wrong and the leadership team was not fully resourced, that would only add to the challenges. The other challenge for the leadership team is that the chief executive announced her retirement in August 2025 and, as you have sa...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”
Is the board looking at this for the longer term, trying to get things back on a more sustainable footing in order to pass it on to the next chief executive?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”
Which gives the transparency. My other question is about the wider board and the chair. This has been going on for a long time. I can remember that, when I was a junior health minister, this was one of the boards that we talked about often, and we are still in the same posit...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
I will start off with some questions about the NHS Scotland’s support and intervention framework escalation. We know that NHS Grampian was escalated to stage 3 in January 2025 and then, just four months later, it was escalated to stage 4. Was that too late? That seems like a r...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
Will you say a bit more about the difference between stage 3 and stage 4 and what that meant for NHS Grampian in dealing with the challenge?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
So this was about more than just money.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
You mentioned leadership. I will ask similar questions to those that I asked about leadership at NHS Ayrshire and Arran. I think that KPMG suggested that, in some meetings, the board provided a good level of challenge to the leadership team. However, given the answer that we r...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
The KPMG report suggested that meetings, especially of board sub-groups, were still being undertaken online. Do you have any thoughts on whether, in that context, online meetings are as effective as in-person meetings?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
26 Nov 2025
“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”
I just feel that, if things are escalating, maybe it is time for people to get in a room together and spend a bit of time—
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”
Thank you, convener—you have covered a lot of what I was wanting to cover. I am finding it incredibly difficult to grasp, in terms of governance, how all three of you could think that it is okay that there was not a budget. A budget is not just an ideal circumstance; it is s...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”
You all had a legal responsibility.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”
It still sounds pretty incredible that you did not put something down on paper as an actual budget.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”
Iain Wishart talked about how difficult things were, and I get it, but you were faced with calculations saying that there is such a big deficit. Not to put that down and create a budget that tries to reduce that deficit is incredible. Iain, you talked about having to consult. ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
03 Dec 2025
“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”
Convener, I do not think any of us has been suggesting that this is easy to do, but I think Mr Watson has articulated why a budget would have been so important.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
10 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”
As constituency MSP for Dundee City West, which is within the NHS Tayside area, I am acutely aware of long-standing, widespread concerns about the provision of mental health services across Tayside. Like other colleagues, I am regularly contacted by constituents who have diffi...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
10 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”
That is really helpful. My point is that there is a lack of confidence and it will take a long time for that to be restored. One factor that would help would be more transparency. You talked about having regular meetings. Will those be held in a transparent way such that my co...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
10 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”
Okay. That is fine, thanks. The challenge is that we have heard so many positive managerial words over the years that more transparency would be really helpful. I will leave that there for now. You may be right that I should perhaps put that question directly to NHS Tayside. ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
10 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”
Is there any suggestion of when that plan would be put in place?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
10 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”
Okay. That is obviously a really important part of any such process. Thanks for that. Auditor General, your report says that you “expect to see NHS Tayside implement these actions within the timescales it has committed to” and that you will “continue to monitor progress wi...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
10 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”
Thanks very much for that. That will definitely be appreciated by my constituents.
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”
I want to ask some questions about performance reporting, which you touched on earlier. Since the start of the Parliament in 1999 there has been a desire to better understand how money is performing in terms of outcomes. When I joined the Parliament in 2007, I sat on the Finan...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”
If we have continuing pressures on public finance, clearly we need to see how money is being spent. A lot of the public sector reform that we have talked about for years has also been about how we can shift to more preventative spending. I do not see how we can do that without...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”
Will that cover larger cross-Government areas, such as public service reform and child poverty?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Mar 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
That is important. After all, if you are not taking a note of those meetings, it brings us back to the issue of transparency.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Mar 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
One thing that was flagged by the auditor was the reduction in formal meetings of both ARC and the scheme pension boards. Why are there fewer formal meetings? Does that not pose a challenge for transparency?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Mar 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
What you say about reducing the total number of meetings while still having each of the pension boards attend the same number of meetings sounds sensible. Are those meetings still formal ones that are minuted?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
17 Mar 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
Thank you.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
18 Feb 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
Are you confident that that part of the transparency of the process has been successful?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
18 Feb 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
You said that, if someone was underpaid, they would be compensated by 8 per cent, which seems fair. However, I am slightly concerned about the opposite situation. If someone has been overpaid, will they have to pay that back? If so, would they have to pay it back with interest...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
18 Feb 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
That would be helpful. Thank you.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
18 Feb 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
Some of my specific questions have been answered in responses to others, but I will follow on from Colin Beattie’s questions about the implications for individual members. Can you give us an idea of the scale of the impact that being on the wrong benefit could have on an indiv...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
18 Feb 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
Do the individuals know that they are potentially impacted? Do they know that there is a question mark over whether they are getting the right amount?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
18 Feb 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
Would those people be expected to pay that back?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
18 Feb 2026
Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”
The UK Government has set the 8 per cent rate for someone who has been underpaid. Has it also set a percentage for someone who has been overpaid?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
11 Feb 2026
“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”
Do you have confidence that the SPA is getting to grips with that now?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
11 Feb 2026
“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”
We will take that as a positive.10:00
Joe FitzPatrick SNP Committee
11 Feb 2026
“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”
Did you say that you would be looking at the policing together programme again in 2027-28?
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 09 December 2025

09 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Holdings Limited

I commend Richard Leonard, as convener of the Public Audit Committee, for insisting that the Parliament should debate the conclusions and recommendations that are contained in the committee’s report, “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Holdings Limited”. Although I was not a member of the Public Audit Committee at the time, I acknowledge the hard work of the committee clerks and my colleagues on the committee, both past and present. I am also grateful to the Auditor General for Scotland for his thorough and detailed report.

I will highlight the response from the Scottish Government to the Public Audit Committee dated 27 August 2025, in which the Deputy First Minister welcomed the committee’s scrutiny and constructive recommendations. She acknowledged the frustration of the workforce, of the communities that will benefit from the ferries being built at the yard and of the Parliament, while sharing the committee’s ambition for a competitive, sustainable and well-managed shipyard. She also recognised key aspects of the report that, rightly, highlight concerns around standards and governance. Those aspects include leadership, board governance, Scottish Government engagement and support, internal audit capacity, oversight of staffing and contracts, and staff engagement.

Governance, internal controls and contractor oversight in the early years clearly did not meet the standards that are expected of a publicly funded body. I therefore welcome the significant improvements that have since been made through close collaboration between the Scottish Government’s strategic commercial assets division and Ferguson Marine’s board of senior management. Ferguson Marine’s leadership has been strengthened, robust governance processes are now in place and, crucially, transparency and accountability have improved. The Parliament has already heard that a new chief executive was appointed in May 2025, helping to drive the delivery of the MV Glen Rosa while learning lessons from the MV Glen Sannox project.

Other key aspects of the report focus on project delivery and financial controls, the future of the yard and reputation and performance.

Although it is crucial that lessons are learned and swift action is taken in the areas highlighted in the report and by colleagues from across parties, it must now be everyone’s focus to ensure a successful future for Ferguson Marine.

I accept that there have been difficulties. However, let us not forget the key fact that the SNP Scottish Government stepped in and saved the yard to save jobs. We will never apologise for that. Had it not been for the actions of the Scottish Government, there was a real risk that Ferguson Marine would have ceased trading on the Clyde and lots of jobs would have been lost.

I urge members to compare the SNP Scottish Government’s response to Ferguson Marine to the UK Labour Government’s response to Grangemouth. The Labour Government at Westminster has failed to fulfil its election promises to bring forward the necessary investment and action to save Grangemouth. Anas Sarwar pledged on national TV to

“step in to save the jobs at the refinery”.

His London bosses have, of course, found money to nationalise British Steel; they have found money for petrochemicals in Belgium; and they have found money to back the Ineos chairman’s development of Old Trafford. However, they have repeatedly failed to invest in the workers and industrial future of Grangemouth.

Again, I thank the Public Audit Committee and the Auditor General for Scotland for their reports. I am confident that, with the Scottish Government’s support, Ferguson Marine will once more be competitive on the open market.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20036, in the name of Richard Leonard, on behalf of the Public Audit Committee, on its report, “The 2023/...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I remind members of my voluntary register of trade union interests. I present this unanimous report to Parliament on behalf of the Public Audit Committee, a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Daniel Johnson to speak to and move amendment S6M-20036.1. 15:20
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The report by Audit Scotland and the subsequent report by the Public Audit Committee are stark and emphatic, and Richard Leonard’s words emphasised that. We ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Daniel Johnson Lab
I will do in a moment. There is not just a financial story to be told—the Government and, indeed, all of us have a moral responsibility to ensure that the i...
Stuart McMillan SNP
With regard to reputational damage, would Daniel Johnson also acknowledge the fact that the yard went into liquidation in 2014? Clearly, the reputation of th...
Daniel Johnson Lab
What has happened since then? A £400 million bill is being picked up by the taxpayer—that is on the Scottish Government. We all know that, beyond the Glen R...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
To use his word, the member talked about the “politicisation” of the award—I assume that he means back in 2015. He now wants us to break subsidy control and ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The Subsidy Control Act 2022 is clear—this has not changed since 2014—that there are several criteria that can be used, including local context and social va...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Daniel Johnson Lab
If it is brief.
Paul Sweeney Lab
I am sure that my friend would also note that, unlike in Scotland, the Polish Government offers generous patient finance to Polish shipbuilders through its s...
Daniel Johnson Lab
That is a point worth noting. The United Kingdom Labour Government has committed to reviewing UK procurement legislation to boost domestic supply chains and...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to open this debate for the Government and to respond to the Public Audit Committee’s report on the 2023-24 audit of Ferguson Marin...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the Deputy First Minister give way?
Kate Forbes SNP
I ask Craig Hoy to allow me to make a bit more progress, and then I will be more than happy to take his intervention. We want Ferguson Marine to be capable ...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
Will the Deputy First Minister take an intervention?
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the Deputy First Minister give way?
Kate Forbes SNP
I do not know whether Craig Hoy wants to come in at this point.
Craig Hoy Con
The minister is painting a rosy picture of the situation now that borders on recklessness and complacency. Is it not the truth that this has been a fiasco in...
Kate Forbes SNP
Craig Hoy was not listening if he thinks that I was painting a rosy picture in my comments a few minutes ago. Let me turn to the delivery of the MV Glen Ros...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Made a request to intervene.
Kate Forbes SNP
I ask the member to let me get through my points and, if I have some time, I will bring him in. Lessons from the MV Glen Sannox are being applied to the MV ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Edward Mountain. You have around five minutes, Mr Mountain. 15:35
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. I will try to stick to my time, as the other speakers have. I congratulate the Public Audit Committee on its detaile...
Daniel Johnson Lab
It is not extra.
Edward Mountain Con
It is an extra £14.2 million, because, as Mr Johnson will remember, we gave the yard £30 million—well, Derek Mackay did, without telling the Parliament or th...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Made a request to intervene.
Edward Mountain Con
I cannot take an intervention from Mr Johnson unless the Presiding Officer will let me. I am coming to a conclusion. The people of Scotland are being asked ...