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Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Thank you, convener. I start with an apology that my remarks are, again, going to be on the lengthy side. Again, it is a reflection of the fact that I want to do justice to the amendments in the group. I thank Miles Briggs for helpfully setting out the rationale for his amendm...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
11 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will certainly turn to that in speaking to the amendments that touch on those points—which, if memory serves, are amendments that Stephen Kerr himself has lodged. In answer to his question, though, I would expect the medical professionals to exercise their judgment and use t...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
18 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
That is a very fair point to raise. It has not been raised with me either in the context of the bill as introduced or in relation to the additional safeguard that I seek to introduce through amendment 33. I am prepared to engage with other members and representatives of the me...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning. I start with a declaration of interests and remind the committee that I receive support from three separate campaign organisations—Dignity in Dying, Friends at the End and the Humanist Society Scotland—that have helped in supporting the costs of a website during ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The issues that are highlighted in the amendment are extremely important and they will be crucial in relation to the assessments that are made of particular individuals, not across the board. Again, one needs to take into account whether that would be more appropriately set ou...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
18 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
As I have said, I know from my direct engagement with the RCN how strongly it feels about the issue. I do have misgivings. Members of the committee will have heard expositions of both sides of the argument, and the points that Emma Harper was—fairly—making. The committee will ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I appreciate Mr Doris’s point. If additional information could usefully be added to the process, I am happy to consider it. In relation to schedule 2, a practitioner would already need to be satisfied that quite a lot of details had been met before those forms were signed. St...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
18 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I start by expressing the hope that Stephen Kerr has not gone the same way as Ross Greer and lost his voice, too. I thank Brian Whittle and the other members who have had an opportunity to set out the rationale for their amendments in this group, and I look forward to hearing ...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
10 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will speak first to my amendments in the group. The bill, as amended at stage 2, allows the Scottish ministers, by regulations, to set out the training, qualifications and experience required of co-ordinating registered medical practitioners, independent registered medical p...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
29 Nov 2011
Subordinate Legislation
I will move on to the issue of medical students. I am not sure that there is a link, but you will recall the rationale for setting a slightly higher level of fee for medical students four or five years ago. That was done in response to an earlier report by Calman that identifi...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
29 Nov 2011
Subordinate Legislation
I want to move on to medical students. We have received a submission from BMA Scotland that reiterates many of the points that NUS Scotland made about having an independent regulator on access, but the issue that leaps out as far as the SSIs are concerned is to do with the fac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD Chamber
01 Mar 2022
Eating Disorders Awareness Week 2022
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-02886, in the name of Emma Harper, on eating disorders awareness week 2022. The debate will be concluded without any question being put. Motion debated, That the Parliament notes that Eating Disorders Awa...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Again, I understand the intention behind the suggestion. My concern is that putting such a provision in the bill would make it more likely that individuals would be reluctant to declare, or be open with the medical professionals about, such circumstances. Therefore, the amendm...
Liam McArthur (Orkney) (LD): LD Chamber
17 Jun 2009
Dispensing Doctors (Rural Areas)
I, too, congratulate John Lamont on securing the debate. I was happy to support his motion and I associate myself with his speech. I also acknowledge the amendment that Dr Simpson lodged, which helps by expanding on some key changes that might need to be considered to address ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD Chamber
27 Nov 2018
Violence against Women
I warmly welcome this afternoon’s debate and I confirm the Scottish Liberal Democrats’ strong support for the #HearMeToo campaign. I congratulate all those who are involved in the campaign to end violence against women and girls, and I thank them for the briefings that they an...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I respond by saying that the proposals lean heavily on clinician judgment. At the moment, we trust clinicians to make a range of decisions, including those at the end of life. The proposals that I have set out in my bill would make for the most heavily safeguarded end-of-life ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Pulling together a financial memorandum of this type is difficult—not only is it unprecedented, but the data and precedent that you would normally rely on invariably are not there. Because it is anticipated that the process would be embedded within health and care, it is also ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I would think that most of the jurisdictions have a prognosis timescale. For example, in California, the six months is linked to entitlement to a hospice at home service. It is driven by a desire to ensure that assisted dying is accessed by those with, as I have described in m...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
04 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I echo Brian Whittle’s comments on the Scottish Government’s engagement in the process. My conversations with the Scottish Government have been constructive throughout but, for the reasons that Brian Whittle indicates, notwithstanding its neutrality, there are issues about the...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
04 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I would respond to that by saying that there is nothing wrong with that guidance. It is consistent with the approach that is taken in the bill. The discussions that my team and I have had with the Scottish Partnership for Palliative Care on that have yet to determine where tha...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
04 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank Brian Whittle for that further clarification. From the discussions that I have had with him, I understand his motivation, which is entirely constructive in intent. My concern is still that that process is likely to delay any decision being taken forward and to allow op...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
04 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I start by thanking Murdo Fraser for setting out the rationale for his amendments in this group, and for his declaration of interest, which I take in good faith. The bill requires the signing of a first and second declaration form by a terminally ill adult to be witnessed and...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
You might not know which physician operated on you, Daniel, but I am glad that they were clearly up to the task. I thank Daniel Johnson, Bob Doris and Pam Duncan-Glancy for setting out the detail that lies behind their amendments and for providing justification for my taking...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
18 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I understand what Sue Webber is saying, but I also note that this concern has been raised as a result of representations made by the BMA, which represents many of these medical professionals. The BMA makes strong arguments about many aspects of this bill, and the other bills t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD Chamber
12 Mar 2026
Edinburgh Medical School 300
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-20683, in the name of Martin Whitfield, on Edinburgh medical school 300. The debate will be concluded without any question being put. I invite members who wish to participate to press their request-to-speak ...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
12 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Again, that is an entirely legitimate concern to raise. We are dealing with putting in place a ban on medical professionals raising the issue in the first instance.An example that I used at stage 2—if it is not on the record, it would have happened in private conversations wit...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
12 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The answer remains the same as the response that I gave to the questions that were posed yesterday. It would be up to the judgment of the clinician, who would use their professional skills and experience in order to make the patient comfortable.It is not open to the medical pr...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
11 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
As Paul O’Kane and I discussed in exchanges yesterday, I admit at this stage that in the bill as introduced to the Parliament, one of the obvious omissions was that of recognising the importance of the involvement of social work and social care in the assessments that would be...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
10 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am grateful to Mr Whitfield for that very welcome point.I strongly urge members to vote for the amendments in my name, without which, as mentioned, the Scotland Act 1988 order process cannot take place.On that basis, I cannot support, and urge members not to support, Pauline...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
10 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
When it comes to individuals accessing particular treatments, protections are largely non-existent at the moment. The example that Michael Marra quoted shows the consequences of that. The bill puts in place a process that robustly safeguards access to other individuals beyond ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
The question allows me to put on the public record, for the first time, my gratitude to CHAS. It has responded to the committee’s call for evidence, as it has to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, but also, from a personal perspective, I have had a number of meetings...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Yes, and that is the point: there is a gearing up. To some extent, it is a question of the time period for implementation. As I have said, there seems to be a wide variety in that respect, with the implementation period ranging from six months to 18 months, two years or more. ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
That is an interesting argument. Funding can unlock many things, but it cannot unlock everything. The degree to which medical professionals engage with the process might be about workload—for example, we spoke to practitioners in California who limit the number of assisted dea...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Again, those are interesting and legitimate questions to raise. I would probably question whether it is the antithesis of the Hippocratic oath. I am not a medical professional, but I have spoken to many who do not see it in those terms. To be involved in helping to manage and ...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
13 May 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to make a bit more progress. On the points that Pam Duncan-Glancy made about discrimination, societal issues and palliative care, the debate on the bill has enabled those issues to be raised, but I do not believe that the bill can address them. It is right and proper t...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank Sandesh Gulhane for making that point and I agree with him. I welcome Bob Doris’s intervention, because he shone a light on the interplay between the requirements for training and the necessary option that is available to those who are involved, whether they are the c...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank Bob Doris and Fulton MacGregor for setting out their rationale for amendments that would add elements to the assessment process. I understand very well, not least from my discussions with the SPPC and the Scottish Association of Social Work, the intention behind the am...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I welcome that point from Brian Whittle. It goes to the heart of a lot of this. It is why so much discussion around palliative and hospice care has happened alongside the consideration of the bill. Although I have always taken the view that that issue cannot be resolved throug...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
18 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank Douglas Ross for that intervention. The committee took evidence at stage 1 from witnesses in Australia that went some way to allaying many of the concerns around the efficacy of the substance, but I certainly appreciate that complications might arise in some instances....
Liam McArthur LD Committee
18 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
As in many other areas, there is a balance about the extent to which we leave matters to the discretion of individual medical practitioners and the bill laying out a requirement on them to act in a particular way. There will be different views on that. I suspect that the BMA a...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
25 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank both Ross Greer and Miles Briggs for very thoughtfully setting out the thinking behind their amendments. I found myself nodding along to much of what they had to say. I may turn to their amendments after addressing my own. My amendments 44 and 44A would require the ...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
12 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
As Michelle Thomson will have seen, under section 18A there is no duty on a medical practitioner to raise the topic of assisted dying, so ultimately the court would have to take a decision as to whether, given the way in which the legislation is framed, there was a case to be ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD Chamber
11 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Brian Whittle’s amendment 149, and consequential amendment 159, would require assessing doctors to make a person aware of the option of making an advance care directive, and they would work along with the consequential regulation-making power in amendment 303.As I have said pr...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
11 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am conscious of your comments earlier about the need to eat into colleagues’ Fridays. I offer an apology as, again, my contribution on this group will be lengthy, given the number of amendments in it. I will try to be as brief as I can.In that s...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
11 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am grateful to Mr Johnson for raising that as an intervention on me and not a false point of order.Requiring practitioners to record and explain decisions where eligibility criteria are not met will also help patients to understand the outcome of their assessment and the rea...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD Chamber
12 Feb 2026
Medical Training (Prioritisation) Bill
The next item of business is consideration of motion S6M-20719, which is a legislative consent motion on the Medical Training (Prioritisation) Bill, which is United Kingdom legislation. I invite Neil Gray to move the motion.Motion moved,That the Parliament agrees that the rele...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
29 Nov 2011
Subordinate Legislation
I do not disagree with your points about the cost of delivering medical courses and the demand for them, but does that not serve to create the suspicion that, for example, the University of Edinburgh has set its fees at £9,000 across courses in part, at least, to allow it to c...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
03 May 2017
Portfolio Question Time · University Medical Courses (Applicants from Islands)
The minister will recognise that recruiting and training staff for island health services presents specific challenges. All the evidence shows, however, that students with an island connection are more likely to work in island areas. Getting to medical school is difficult, and...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
20 Mar 2018
Remand
Indeed, but qualified medical professionals are not necessarily generalist across the piece and they may be qualified in some areas but less qualified in others. One of the issues that has been raised relates to mental health. People may have undiagnosed conditions prior to co...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I go back to what I said in my opening statement: I do not think that anybody knows. We can draw on the evidence from elsewhere, from which you can quite confidently predict a relatively low number to start off with. The rise in public awareness over time, as well as the rise ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Obviously, the numbers are driven by requests for assisted dying. It is worth pointing out that requests do not necessarily always result in people taking the medication or following through with the process. About a third of those who apply for an assisted death in jurisdicti...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
As I said before, the bill does not place a duty on anybody to provide the service. There is a robust conscientious objection provision in the proposed legislation. Unless and until medics have the training that they require in order to carry this out, they will not be in a po...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
17 Dec 2024
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
As my proposals require a medical professional to deliver the medication, there would be no such instance. If somebody had changed their mind or had lost capacity—indeed, the medical professional would need to determine both capacity and intent at the final stage—the medicatio...
Liam McArthur LD Chamber
13 May 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank Liam Kerr for that intervention. He is correct in that concerns have been raised about that definition in some quarters, although the evidence that was given to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee by the likes of the Royal College of General Practitioners and o...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD Chamber
11 Jun 2025
Medical and Nursing Workforce
That concludes the debate on addressing Scotland’s medical and nursing workforce crisis. There will be a brief pause before we move to the next item of business, to allow front benches to change.
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
To be clear, as Miles Briggs helpfully indicated, this is a feature of the legislation that is being taken forward at Westminster and in Jersey and the Isle of Man and it is my intention and expectation that it will also apply to this bill. I have some concerns about passing...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am grateful to Mr Balfour for taking an intervention. I draw a parallel with established practice in the way that conscientious objection works in the area of abortion, where there is no requirement for a practitioner to participate but there is an expectation of a referral ...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank Brian Whittle for that clarification, which is helpful in addressing an issue that came up in relation to future care plans: the fact that, however desirable they are and whatever benefits may derive from them in terms of understanding the individual’s wishes at the en...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Some of that will have to be captured in training, but, as I said earlier, it is unreasonable to expect all GPs or consultants to be specialists in the areas that have been referred to. That is why the option to refer on is available under the bill, the need for which would em...
Liam McArthur LD Committee
11 Nov 2025
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
With regard to a request for an assisted death, if it was evidenced that someone was experiencing financial difficulties, issues around housing or whatever else, there would be an opportunity during those discussions to make interventions that would allow those issues to be ad...
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee 11 November 2025

11 Nov 2025 · S6 · Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Item of business
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Thank you, convener. I start with an apology that my remarks are, again, going to be on the lengthy side. Again, it is a reflection of the fact that I want to do justice to the amendments in the group. I thank Miles Briggs for helpfully setting out the rationale for his amendments and the case for an opt-in model; that has always been my intention and I think that my amendments in the group reinforce that.

Amendments 39 to 41 amend the current conscientious objection provision in the bill to broaden it out and ensure that no person is under any duty to directly participate in anything that is authorised by the bill. That provision is broader than the conscientious objection provision, as a person no longer needs to claim a conscientious objection to participating but can decide not to directly participate for any reason.

My original policy intention was to include a conscientious objection provision similar to that provided in abortion law, so that health professionals would not be under a duty to participate in the provision of assisted dying if they had a conscientious objection to doing so. It has always been my intention that no health professional would be expected to participate if they did not wish to, and this approach should cover anyone who is directly and actively involved in the process—by which I mean anyone carrying out functions in the process as set out in the bill’s provisions.

Following stage 1, I have reflected carefully on how best to ensure that the bill fully reflects my intended policy, and I have concluded that, to simplify the matter further, the bill, instead of relying on a CO provision, should allow anyone carrying out such functions to not participate directly for any reason, thus ensuring that only those who are content to participate directly do so. That will have implications for overall training need, thereby reducing some of the cost issues that have been raised by the Scottish Government.

Amendment 39, which adds the word “directly” after “participate”, is in line with my view that there should be no blanket provision that would allow any person, however peripherally involved in some aspect of the wider process, to be able to not perform their role. Instead, it is intended to ensure that the provision is focused on those people who are directly involved—for example, the independent registered medical practitioner or the authorised health professional, who might be approached by the co-ordinating registered medical practitioner to undertake the duties under sections 6 and 15. Amendments 39, 40 and 41 enable a debate to be had on the pros, cons and potential consequences of a change from CO to only those directly participating who are willing to do so.

On amendment 27, it has always been my policy that a person first seeking assistance should be directed to another medical professional if the medical professional whom they first approach does not wish or is unable to perform the role of co-ordinating registered medical practitioner. My understanding is that such signposting already takes place in healthcare settings and, therefore, it was not specifically provided for in the bill as introduced. On reflection, however, I have decided to lodge amendment 27 to ensure that someone seeking an assisted death is either directed towards a registered medical practitioner who is willing and able to participate, or given further information on how to proceed.

That will not require formal referral of the person to a specific registered medical practitioner, but it will require a registered medical practitioner who is approached by a terminally ill adult looking to make a first declaration and who is unwilling or unable to participate to signpost the person to where they can receive information on how to proceed and/or where they can make a first declaration. That might involve, for example, a GP at a medical practice directing a person to another GP at the practice who is willing to participate in assisted dying provision. In later groupings, we will have a chance to consider amendments on the provision of information.

As for other amendments in this group, amendments 151, 154, 186, 198 and 213, in the name of Miles Briggs, form part of the debate on how best to provide for health professionals in deciding whether they wish to participate directly in the provision of assistance. Indeed, we have heard as much from Mr Briggs himself. At the heart of the amendments is a requirement for

“Scottish ministers, by regulations,”

to

“establish and to maintain a register of persons willing to carry out functions under this Act of ... a co-ordinating registered medical practitioner ... an independent registered medical practitioner ... an authorised health professional”

and

“a registered pharmacist ... supplying”

the

“substance.”

I considered such an approach when I was originally looking at how best to proceed on the issue and came to the view that the establishment of such a register was not necessary. In practice, it is, as has been seen in other jurisdictions, likely that such registers will form part of the information that is held in each health board, and nothing in the bill at the present time will prevent that from happening. However, I am not persuaded that mandating the establishment and maintenance of a central register and requiring individuals to notify Scottish ministers of their willingness to participate is appropriate or proportionate.

That said, I again pay tribute to Miles Briggs for the way in which he has engaged with me on these and, indeed, other issues, particularly around palliative care. I am keen to continue working with him to see how the bill might be further strengthened, and I thank him for the constructive approach that he has taken throughout, not just with me but with other colleagues.

On related amendments that were lodged by the equally constructive Jackie Baillie, and which are being spoken to by the ever-constructive Daniel Johnson, amendments 74 and 80 to 82 relate to the establishment of a register of psychiatrists who can undertake assessments, as set out in the bill. The amendments provide that psychiatrists may apply to be on the register and, to do so, must be approved medical practitioners or must

“meet criteria specified by the Scottish Ministers in regulations”.

I recognise Ms Baillie’s work with the Royal College of Psychiatrists on those provisions.

09:45  

It is important that the assessing registered medical practitioners are able to seek input from specialists when assessing capacity, which is why the bill provides for that in section 7(2)(b). That provision allows for such referrals to be made by either assessing doctor to

“a registered medical practitioner who is registered in the specialism of psychiatry”

or who

“holds qualifications or has experience in the assessment of capacity”.

Section 7(2)(c) provides that the views of such specialists must be taken into account by the assessing doctors. I firmly believe that such specialists will be capable of assessing the capacity of an individual for the purposes of the bill without any need for the creation of a new register, just as currently takes place in other matters of determining capacity.

Section 3(2) sets out the capacity requirements for a person to be judged as eligible to request assistance. I note that the Scottish Government has highlighted legal and technical concerns, and deliverability challenges, with the amendments, which, on balance, I do not believe to be necessary.

Amendment 74 would be pre-empted by amendment 159 in the group dealing with the assessment of terminally ill adults. Several amendments in that group are concerned with the issue of providing for variations of a no-detriment provision to ensure that no person suffers any detriment as a result of a decision on whether to participate, as Miles Briggs explained. Those amendments include Daniel Johnson’s amendment 11, Jeremy Balfour’s amendment 192, Paul Sweeney’s amendment 248 and Miles Briggs’s amendment 194, which establishes

“Employment and partnership protection (for involvement or non-participation)”.

Employers

“must ensure that there is no employment detriment to their employee”

for actually, or potentially, participating, or not participating, in the act. As I have stated, it is important that those who do not wish to participate directly in the process are protected and I support the principle of individuals suffering no detriment.

I note that the Scottish Government has indicated that such amendments may relate to the reserved matter of employment rights and duties and industrial relations. As I have previously said, I am aware that the Scottish Government is working with the UK Government to ensure the full operation of the bill, should it be passed. The Scottish Government will consider the effect that this amendment and others might have on current engagement with its UK Government counterparts and I hope that the cabinet secretary will continue keeping the committee informed about those discussions. In the meantime, Parliament might wish to return to and address the issue when further amendments are addressed at stage 3.

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Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Liam McArthur LD
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Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I understand the concerns around that. However, most of those things are very important. The member will know that, if something is not in legislation, it be...
Liam McArthur LD
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Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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The Convener SNP
I call Daniel Johnson to speak on behalf of Jackie Baillie to amendment 66 and other amendments in the group.
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
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Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
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Daniel Johnson Lab
Those points are well made, but we must be clear about what amendment 66 would do and, critically, where it comes from. Jackie Baillie’s amendments were draf...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Ms Duncan-Glancy is making a powerful case. Better training for the practitioner who takes someone who is seeking assisted dying through the process is, of c...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Both would be required. There are amendments in later groups—including amendments in my name and, I think, in the member’s name—that would cover that. Amendm...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I want everyone to live their best life. I want people with disabilities to live their best life. Your amendments seek to get people with disabilities in fro...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The member is right, which is why we should be legislating to make it easier to choose to live than to choose to die. We have a bill in front of us that is n...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome Liam McArthur’s offer to engage in developing amendments. I restate that I am undecided about my position at stage 3. In considering all amendments...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am wondering about the potential for there to be a lot of missing context should the second medical practitioner not have access to the original notes. Wou...
Brian Whittle Con
For absolute clarity, up to the point of a declaration that the patient wished to seek assisted dying, all the notes would be readily available. Once the ass...
The Convener SNP
I have concerns about what Brian Whittle is proposing, given that, after the first declaration, there might be a change in a patient’s clinical circumstances...
Brian Whittle Con
My overriding concern is that, if we are asking two independent medical practitioners to make a consideration, they must be able to come to the same conclusi...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I, too, want to focus on the notes aspect. I have a couple of questions. First, are you saying that only the notes of the first person who has made their ass...
Brian Whittle Con
I thank Sandesh Gulhane for his intervention. As it comes from the perspective of a medical professional, it is really helpful. To clarify, my response to hi...
Liam McArthur LD
I thank all colleagues for their contributions. To touch on the points that Brian Whittle has just made, I certainly understand his intent. However, for reas...
Daniel Johnson Lab
I am grateful for your reflections on those points. Do you acknowledge that the amendments that have come from the professional bodies themselves reflect a n...
Liam McArthur LD
I take that point entirely. Those representations have facilitated the debate around the issues that need to be picked up in training. However, I question wh...
Sandesh Gulhane Con
I just want to clarify that the law does not give ministers, either at Westminster or here, powers over postgraduate training. That is deferred to the GMC an...
Liam McArthur LD
I thank Sandesh Gulhane for making that point and I agree with him. I welcome Bob Doris’s intervention, because he shone a light on the interplay between th...
Elena Whitham SNP
I have a lot of sympathy with Jackie Baillie’s amendments, not least those related to domestic abuse, given that I used to work for Scottish Women’s Aid. How...
Liam McArthur LD
That is a helpful issue to raise, and that is why we need the training requirement to be developed by those who are operating in the area. There will be area...