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Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
12 Aug 2014
Economic Opportunities of Independence
I have listened with interest to the debate and I suggest that a more appropriate title might be “The economic uncertainties of independence”. With just 36 days left until the independence referendum, the people of Scotland lack key information on how independence would work. ...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
12 Mar 2014
Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
Good morning, panel. Professor MacDonald, you suggest in your written evidence that“sterlingisation would give Scotland the economic status of a failed state.”Does that mean that Alex Salmond should find a new plan B for the currency?
Margaret McDougall Lab Committee
19 Feb 2014
Inquiry into Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
If the option of sterlingisation were chosen by an independent Scotland, what would the advantages and the disadvantages be?
Margaret McDougall Lab Committee
19 Feb 2014
Inquiry into Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
Despite the fact that the Chancellor of the Exchequer has said that there will not be a currency union, my understanding, from what I have heard from yourselves, is that you still want there to be a currency union and that you think that that will happen. Everyone else is taki...
Margaret McDougall Lab Committee
19 Feb 2014
Inquiry into Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
Yes, well, nothing has changed, then. You are still of that mind. Can you perhaps imagine—try really hard—that you do not have a plan B and that sterlingisation is not being considered. What will that do to the economy of Scotland?
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
26 Feb 2014
Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
Good morning, gentlemen. We have heard that the option of continuing as part of a currency union would not be available, and we have not heard of a plan B that would be followed if we became independent. You have intimated your thoughts on your preferences. If Scotland did ...
Margaret McDougall Lab Committee
26 Feb 2014
Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
I return to the currency issue. Jim McColl mentioned earlier that he felt that businesses would deal with whatever currency is decided upon. We have heard that there will not be a currency union and if you were to go along with that, the options are sterlingisation or another ...
Margaret McDougall Lab Committee
26 Feb 2014
Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
I welcome panel members. I will continue on the currency. We have heard today that there is record investment and that there have been increases in new start-up businesses. We also heard from the members of the previous panel that they had no concerns about sterlingisation or ...
Margaret McDougall Lab Committee
05 Mar 2014
Scotland’s Economic Future Post-2014
I do not agree. We have a currency agreement at present, as you said, and we have influence, whereas in an independent Scotland under a currency union or sterlingisation we would have no influence. We heard from the earlier panel that Scotland having its own unit of currenc...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 12 August 2014

12 Aug 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Economic Opportunities of Independence

I have listened with interest to the debate and I suggest that a more appropriate title might be “The economic uncertainties of independence”. With just 36 days left until the independence referendum, the people of Scotland lack key information on how independence would work. They lack information about the currency, start-up costs, pensions and taxation. Far from being an opportunity, it appears to be a leap into the unknown.

I will focus my speech on the two major issues of currency and taxation. It has been made clear that a currency union, the preferred option of this Government, is off the table. No matter how many times Alex Salmond repeats, “It’s Scotland’s pound”, that will not change the fact that if the rest of the UK does not want a currency union with Scotland we cannot force it into one. Even if a currency union was on offer it would effectively mean handing the key fiscal levers of the economy over to the central bank of another country, while losing our political union and influence.

Sterlingisation is an even less attractive option. No one is denying that Scotland could use the pound, but without a currency union we would be left without a lender of last resort. That is just not credible. According to the National Institute for Economic and Social Research, sterlingisation would have a knock-on effect on Scotland’s financial sector, creating a financial border whereby banks would be forced to move their head offices to the country in which the central bank was located. Financial sector exports generate 9 per cent of Scottish GDP, so that would be a huge loss to our economy.

It is perplexing that the party that pushed for this independence referendum—a party established in 1934 to fight for Scottish independence—seems to be fighting so hard against a Scottish currency. Instead it proposes a currency union while stripping away the political union that makes our currency union work.

Without a clear plan on currency there is no opportunity, only uncertainty: uncertainty for Scottish businesses, uncertainty for Scottish banks and uncertainty for the Scottish people. In effect, there are no answers, no credibility—no thanks.

The plan, or lack thereof, on taxation is even more worrying. When I asked Mr Swinney last week whether taxes would need to increase to pay for things promised with a yes vote, he replied:

“the answer is no: taxes will not have to go up to pay for independence.”—[Official Report, 7 August 2014; c 33153.]

However, David Philips, the Institute for Fiscal Studies economist, tells us:

“an independent Scotland could expect to be running a deficit of around 5% of GDP in 2016-17, which would be larger than that facing the UK as a whole, and would necessitate tax rises or spending cuts.”

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The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-10769, in the name of John Swinney, on the economic opportunities of independence. Members who wish to sp...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney) SNP
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Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Iain Gray Lab
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