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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
24 May 2018
Draft Revised National Outcomes
Thank you for the opportunity to open the debate. The kind of Scotland that we want to live in and our vision for the Scotland that we will leave for our children are the key focus of the draft national outcomes. Those outcomes, along with the Scottish Government’s purpose fro...
Bob Doris SNP Chamber
24 May 2018
Draft Revised National Outcomes
What parliamentary scrutiny should look like is formally laid out in statute, and the Government abided by that. However, our unanimous committee recommendation is that we should go beyond that in pre-parliamentary scrutiny. That is what we signed up to as a committee, and I w...
The Convener SNP Committee
21 Dec 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
That was helpful. I am looking at the SPICe briefing that has been prepared for today’s meeting and the two tables that it sets out. They do not include some of the moneys that you have outlined, but according to that briefing, if we compare the figures for actual spend, ther...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP Chamber
19 Dec 2013
Draft Budget 2014-15
I thank the Finance Committee for its detailed and thoughtful report on the draft budget for 2014-15. I would like to look at the moneys that the Scottish Government is giving to change funds, which is an issue that is of particular interest to me, as deputy convener of the...
The Convener SNP Committee
26 Oct 2016
Subordinate Legislation
I welcome everyone back. Under agenda item 3, the committee will take evidence on the draft regulations. I welcome back Joe FitzPatrick, the Minister for Parliamentary Business, and I welcome from the Scottish Government Louise Scott and Roddy Angus, who are elections policy a...
The Convener (Bob Doris) SNP Committee
09 Nov 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 10th meeting in session 5 of the Local Government and Communities Committee. I remind everyone present to turn off their mobile phones. As meeting papers are provided in digital format, members may use tablets during the meeting. That...
The Convener (Bob Doris) SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Good morning and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2017 of the Local Government and Communities Committee. I apologise for my voice this morning—I am a little bit under the weather. I remind everyone present to turn off their mobile phones. As the meeting papers are provided in...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: the draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
We now move to agenda item 2. The committee will take evidence on the Scottish Government’s “Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”. Last week’s session focused on local government and planning. This week, we will discuss the hou...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
05 Mar 2026
Draft Climate Change Plan
It has been quite an afternoon, hasn’t it?Irrespective of people’s views, the draft climate change plan reflects a substantial piece of work by the Scottish Government and its officials, and I thank them for that. I also thank my colleagues, of all parties, on the Net Zero, En...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP Chamber
23 Apr 2009
Glasgow 2014 Legacy Plan
Glasgow 2014 is a tremendous opportunity both for the city that I represent and for the whole of Scotland. I have heard it said that the games are a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Given that they will happen only once, that is true by definition. They are certainly a wonderfu...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP Committee
28 Oct 2014
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2015-16
Dr Simpson has started an important line of questioning. Every year at the start of the budget process we wonder whether we should scrutinise lines in the draft budget or wait until health boards set their budgets—is that the real scrutiny job? My reading of the budget is tha...
The Convener SNP Committee
16 Nov 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
Good morning, everyone. Agenda item 2 is to take evidence from a number of witnesses on the Scottish Government’s draft budget 2017-18. Given that the draft budget has yet to be published, the committee has agreed to undertake pre-budget scrutiny looking back at what was spent...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: the draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
I thank the witnesses for coming along to aid us in our scrutiny of the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan, RPP3. We have taken considerably longer than we had scheduled for it, but it is important. We have to report on the plan and we want to get it right, so I t...
The Convener (Bob Doris) SNP Committee
22 Feb 2017
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning everyone and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2017 of the Local Government and Communities Committee. As always, I remind everyone present to turn off mobile phones. Meeting papers are provided in digital format, so members might use tablets during the meeting; I p...
The Convener SNP Committee
22 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
A little bit later than scheduled, we move to agenda item 5, which is evidence from the Minister for Local Government and Housing on the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan, RPP3—the third report on proposals and policies. It follows two evidence sessions with key ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
16 Mar 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan
I welcome the opportunity to talk on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee about the draft climate change plan. As members would expect, the focus of the committee’s scrutiny was planning and the residential sector. I pay tribute to the work of the fellow c...
The Convener (Bob Doris) SNP Committee
06 Sep 2017
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning. I welcome everyone back after summer recess to the 20th meeting in 2017 of the Local Government and Communities Committee. I hope that everyone had a good break. I remind everyone present to turn off mobile phones. As meeting papers are provided in digital forma...
The Convener SNP Committee
20 Dec 2017
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2018-19
Agenda item 2 is scrutiny of the Scottish Government’s draft budget for 2018-19. I welcome Derek Mackay, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution, and Kevin Stewart, the Minister for Local Government and Housing. They are accompanied by four officials from the Sc...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP Chamber
29 May 2018
Planning (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate as the convener of the Local Government and Communities Committee. As the lead committee on the bill, we reported our views on it on 17 May. Our report was 103 pages long, so I will forgive members if they have not had time to ...
The Convener SNP Committee
31 Jan 2019
Draft Social Security Charter
The issue of nations and regions sharing best practice is somewhat relevant but a bit of a mission drift, so we will end the questions at that point. Thank you for your evidence. We move to agenda item 4, which is still on the draft social security charter. I invite the cabin...
The Convener SNP Committee
27 Aug 2020
Winter Heating Assistance for Children and Young People (Scotland) Regulations 2020 [Draft]
The next agenda item is the draft Winter Heating Assistance for Children and Young People (Scotland) Regulations 2020. The cabinet secretary sent the committee a letter, which was circulated to committee members yesterday. It advises that the regulations that we are considerin...
Bob Doris SNP Committee
12 Dec 2023
Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)
No, convener. That was genuinely helpful. I am conscious that this is a draft delivery plan and that witnesses will want to shape what the final delivery plan looks like. We are therefore hearing about things that are not in the plan and about mapping exercises and other matte...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP Committee
16 Dec 2025
Draft Climate Change Plan
I hope that my question will be helpful. It will also be brief, and it will be technical. I want to better understand the targets in the draft climate change plan that are derived directly from the Scottish Government’s policy intentions, and what the actual baseline policies...
Bob Doris SNP Chamber
05 Mar 2026
Draft Climate Change Plan
My constituents need the draft bill that has been published to be delivered in the next session of the Parliament. It needs buy-in from all parties, including the Green Party, rather than members making a churlish intervention like that.I note that the Scottish Government has ...
Bob Doris: SNP Committee
18 Jun 2008
Single Outcome Agreements
As I said, I do not know what other local authorities are doing, but the two that I have read about offer a direct contrast. Obviously, I am interested in my own local authority.On consultation and partnership working, you say in your written evidence:"The delivery of local ou...
Bob Doris: SNP Committee
28 Oct 2009
Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I think that is a yes.As you have said, part of the "Pre-action requirements" section says that"the creditor must have regard to any guidance issued by the Scottish Ministers."That refers to guidance that will be issued by statutory instrument. There have been some concerns ab...
Bob Doris: SNP Committee
28 Oct 2009
Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We need to see the draft statutory instruments, and I know that you are keen to see them as soon as possible in order to give the committee and stakeholders the chance to scrutinise them and to see whether they can be altered if they are seen as being inappropriate. As living ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP Committee
28 Apr 2009
Draft Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Bill
I will ask about the power to change the procedure to which subordinate legislation is subject. Section 31(2) of the draft bill provides that the Scottish ministers may, by order, amend the procedures that are specified in a parent act, following a resolution of Parliament. Th...
Bob Doris: SNP Committee
22 Sep 2009
Public Services Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The thrust of the committee's questions has been about whether the bill will give too much power to ministers to act through secondary legislation. Has the Government considered the option of a more exacting form of super-affirmative procedure for orders made under sections 10...
The Deputy Convener (Bob Doris) SNP Committee
08 Dec 2010
Decisions on Taking Business in Private
Welcome to the 30th meeting in 2010 of the Local Government and Communities Committee. Members and the public should turn off all mobile phones and BlackBerrys.We have received apologies from Duncan McNeil, Patricia Ferguson and John Wilson, who cannot be with us today due to ...
The Deputy Convener SNP Committee
25 Jan 2011
Draft Instrument subject to Annulment
We have an unusual procedure in front of us today—a draft negative instrument. The regulations must lie for 40 days, during which time the Parliament can decide that they should not be made. However, our legal advisers have not raised anything that the committee should be conc...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP Committee
30 Oct 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
At last week’s evidence session, I asked witnesses whether they would want to reallocate some of the real-terms increase in the revenue budget to health boards and, if so, how they would do so and what their priorities would be. If I recall correctly, only two of the witnesses...
Bob Doris SNP Committee
08 Oct 2013
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2014-15
The draft budget shows a cash increase in the forthcoming year of £267 million, which is a 2.9 per cent increase in cash terms but a 1 per cent increase in real terms. I have taken those figures from the briefing that the Scottish Parliament information centre prepared. Of cou...
Bob Doris SNP Committee
05 Jan 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2016-17
Good morning, everyone. As the cabinet secretary knows, I am interested in the funding that is available to general practitioners and I have pursued that matter locally in Glasgow. I welcome the fact that, in the draft budget that we have before us, there is a 3.6 per cent in...
Bob Doris SNP Committee
05 Jan 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2016-17
On the spending plans for sport, I see from the draft budget that there is a flat cash commitment for sport, with the figure staying at £45.8 million; it is, in fact, a small real-terms decrease in funding. I understand the budgetary pressures that the Scottish Government face...
The Convener SNP Committee
05 Oct 2016
Subordinate Legislation
Welcome back to the Local Government and Communities Committee meeting. We are back in public and we move to item 3, which is subordinate legislation. The committee will take evidence on the draft Council Tax (Substitution of Proportion) (Scotland) Order 2016 and the draft Cou...
The Convener SNP Committee
05 Oct 2016
Subordinate Legislation
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I suspect that we will have a number of questions about the draft Council Tax (Substitution of Proportion) (Scotland) Order 2016, but first I have had an indication that there are one or two brief questions about the draft Council Tax (Variation f...
The Convener SNP Committee
05 Oct 2016
Subordinate Legislation
Thank you for giving evidence to the committee. Under item 4, the committee will formally consider motion S5M-01522, calling for the committee to recommend approval of the draft Council Tax (Substitution of Proportion) (Scotland) Order 2016. The committee will also consider...
The Convener SNP Committee
05 Oct 2016
Subordinate Legislation
Agenda item 5 also concerns subordinate legislation. The committee will formally consider motion S5M-01594, on approval of the draft Council Tax (Variation for Unoccupied Dwellings) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2016. Only the cabinet secretary and committee members may spe...
The Convener SNP Committee
21 Dec 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
Agenda item 2 is scrutiny of the Scottish Government’s draft budget 2017-18. The item is split into two panels. The committee will hear first from the Minister for Local Government and Housing and focus primarily on the housing and communities aspect of the budget. I welcome ...
The Convener SNP Committee
21 Dec 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
Welcome back, everyone. We now move to the second evidence-taking session on the Scottish Government’s draft budget 2017-18, in which we will hear from the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution on the local government aspects of the budget. I welcome to the meetin...
The Convener SNP Committee
21 Dec 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
Thank you. I might return later to some of the very helpful numbers that you mentioned in your opening remarks. My first question is on the statistics that you have used. In comparing the financial year that we are coming to the end of and the new financial year, are you usin...
The Convener SNP Committee
21 Dec 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2017-18
Could you put it all in one place for us? Ahead of our final report on the draft budget, can you write to the committee and outline every single budget line in relation to which the Scottish Government asserts that additional moneys are going to support local authority service...
The Convener (Bob Doris) SNP Committee
11 Jan 2017
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the first meeting of the Local Government and Communities Committee in 2017. I wish everyone a happy new year. I hope that you are refreshed from your festive break. As always, I remind everyone who is present to turn off their mobile pho...
The Convener (Bob Doris) SNP Committee
18 Jan 2017
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the second meeting of the Local Government and Communities Committee in 2017. I remind everyone to turn off their mobile phones. Committee papers are provided in digital format, so members may been seen using tablet devices during the mee...
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
I thank you all for those introductions. It is important to put on record that the plan, which is a rather sizeable document, was published only on 19 January; we appreciate that, as well informed as you are in your various fields, you have not had long to digest it. We also a...
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
If no one is going to go first, I pick Philip Revell to respond. Laughter.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
I am sorry for dropping you in it a little bit, Philip, as the three of you were debating who was going to answer the question. Craig McLaren can go next.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
I was waiting to hear whether one of you would address that aspect.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Does anyone else want to answer? If so, just put your hand up. I will take Phil Revell next. I should say that when I ask, “Does anyone want to answer?”, you should not feel pressured into answering.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Craig McLaren mentioned the charrette process. I started off as a huge supporter, but I became unsure whether it was a process or a workshop of a couple of days that was great at getting a snapshot in time of what the wider community wanted. I was unclear whether, after that, ...
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
That is helpful.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
I was going to put on the record that we will return to the issue of city deals at some point, as it is important to stress that, but Graham Simpson has just mentioned it. We move to a question from Andy Wightman.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Had any of you picked up on that? Chris Wood-Gee is nodding his head.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Does Craig McLaren want to add anything?
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Thank you for putting that on the record.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Okay. Thank you.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
When you answer that question, can you talk about skills for councillors and members of the Scottish Parliament? When Mr Wightman—who has expertise in this area—mentioned exogenous demand drivers, I thought that I could do with a skill set. I think that that gives a good conte...
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
But he is still smiling.
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Feb 2017
“Draft Climate Change Plan: The draft third report on policies and proposals 2017-2032”
Time is almost up, but, after listening to the exchange with Kenneth Gibson, I want to add something. I know that we are here to talk about RPP3 and speak a bit more generally about planning—the connection being that, if we get the planning process right for the type of develo...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 24 May 2018

24 May 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Draft Revised National Outcomes
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

Thank you for the opportunity to open the debate. The kind of Scotland that we want to live in and our vision for the Scotland that we will leave for our children are the key focus of the draft national outcomes. Those outcomes, along with the Scottish Government’s purpose from its national performance framework, were refreshed in 2016, and, in late March this year, a revised set of draft national outcomes was laid in Parliament. The Local Government and Communities Committee was designated as the lead committee for consideration of those outcomes.

I know that members eagerly awaited the publication of our report last week, which has the rather snappy title of “Report on the Consultation on the Scottish Government’s Draft National Outcomes”. It is zingy, is it not, Presiding Officer? The report might not sound like a page turner, but the draft outcomes and the policies that will flow from them will impact on every single one of us in Scotland for many years to come, so the work of our committee and the other committees that contributed their views for our report was extremely important. I therefore thank everyone for their diligent work in the area.

It is fair to say that not many of us could object to outcomes such as

“We tackle poverty by sharing opportunities, wealth and power more equally”

and

“We grow up loved, safe and respected so that we can realise our full potential.”

The national indicators, which will be used to track progress against the outcomes, were equally of interest to the committee.

Before I turn to the committee’s recommendations, I will set out the scrutiny approach that our committee adopted. The draft national outcomes were laid on 29 March, which was the last sitting day before the April recess. The Parliament then had 40 sitting days in which to carry out the scrutiny. As it happens, today is the 40th day, so we are just in the nick of time. That timescale meant that the Local Government and Communities Committee had to seek views, consider them, take evidence and report by last week.

Given the broad range of 11 national outcomes, I wrote to all committee conveners, inviting them to consider those national outcomes that fall within their remits. In the time that was available, the Local Government and Communities Committee was unable to give any consideration to other committees’ responses, but we have published them alongside our report, so they should be seen as part of the committee’s report and form part of today’s debate.

Given the short timetable for scrutiny, it is unsurprising that one of the recommendations that was made—not just by our committee but by a number of others—was a plea for more scrutiny time in the future. The legislation provides 40 sitting days for scrutiny, but perhaps next time the Scottish Government could publish an initial draft well in advance of the formal laying date, so that we could engage more meaningfully with communities and stakeholders before the formal 40-day scrutiny process began. I would welcome the cabinet secretary’s views on how much more time might be provided for future iterations of the national outcomes.

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
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Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
Thank you for the opportunity to open the debate. The kind of Scotland that we want to live in and our vision for the Scotland that we will leave for our chi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
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Bob Doris SNP
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Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Graeme Dey SNP
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
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Derek Mackay SNP
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Graeme Dey SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
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Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
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Derek Mackay SNP
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Alexander Stewart Con
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Derek Mackay SNP
Can Mr Stewart give an example of a specific indicator in which we are trying to be vague, rather than deliver progress?
Alexander Stewart Con
As I have already said, there are lots of indicators that want prosperity and other things to happen, but they can happen only if the Government delivers and...
Derek Mackay SNP
That is what the member’s party voted for.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It would be helpful if you would intervene, cabinet secretary— Derek Mackay rose—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No, you will have to ask.
Alexander Stewart Con
I have already taken two interventions, and I want to continue. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Heckling does not help. On you go, Mr Stewart. You are stirring it up a wee bit.
Alexander Stewart Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am passionate about the whole process, so I want to ensure that we have a good debate. We must take on board the fact that t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Oh! I thought that peace must have broken out when I was not looking. I call James Kelly to open for Labour. You have six minutes, Mr Kelly.
Derek Mackay SNP
Keep up the consensus, Mr Kelly. 15:43