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Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP Chamber
11 Nov 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. This is a Scottish Law Commission bill. It is only the second such bill to be considered by the committee following changes to standing orders in 20...
The Convener SNP Committee
22 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Agenda item 2 is oral evidence on the aforementioned Succession (Scotland) Bill. We have two panels: first, a panel of legal academics and secondly, witnesses from TrustBar, which is a group of Scottish advocates who specialise in the areas of trusts, executries, partnership, ...
Nigel Don SNP Chamber
11 Nov 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Although the reforms in the bill are technical and comparatively uncontroversial, they represent very important and necessary changes to succession law. More generally, the bill contributes to the objective of improving and updating Scots law. The committee recommends that th...
Nigel Don: SNP Committee
20 Jan 2009
Justice and Home Affairs in Europe
Good morning, gentlemen—it is still morning by a few seconds. It is clear that the citizen recognises what the impact will be of potential changes in family law. It seems to me that family law divides—the law always divides—into matrimonial and succession law. One of my collea...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP Chamber
24 Feb 2015
Legal Writings (Counterparts and Delivery) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
This is an interesting point to have reached, partly because, as many members have mentioned, this is the first bill that has been dealt with by the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, and partly because there is relatively little in the bill. Even speaking third among ...
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Sep 2015
Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc and Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The wording of the ancillary powers in section 33(1) differs from, for example, the wording of section 97(1) of the Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill, as passed. Yet different wording is used in section 25 of the Succession (Scotland) Bill, which the committee is also cons...
The Convener SNP Committee
01 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The purpose of item 7 is for the committee to consider the delegated powers provisions in the Succession (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. The committee is invited to agree the questions that it wishes to raise with the Scottish Government. We will have an opportunity to consider t...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Agenda item 2 is two oral evidence-taking sessions on the Succession (Scotland) Bill, first, with the Scottish Government and, secondly, with the Scottish Law Commission. I welcome from the Scottish Government Jill Clark, team leader, and Frances MacQueen, policy officer, civ...
The Convener SNP Committee
15 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Item 3 is oral evidence on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. We will hear first from the Law Society of Scotland, and then from the Faculty of Advocates and from a panel of legal practitioners. It is my great pleasure to welcome John Kerrigan, representing the Law Society of Sco...
The Convener SNP Committee
15 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
If we did that, would we include other extant materials or would it just be a matter of running the two acts together? How much statute law on succession is there that would need to be included in a consolidating bill along with the two bills that we are discussing?
The Convener SNP Committee
15 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome our witnesses from the Faculty of Advocates: Laura Dunlop QC and Wojciech Jajdelski—I think that I have pronounced that right. Thank you very much for coming along. I will open the questions; I think that you have seen the format before. The Faculty of Advocates pr...
The Convener (Nigel Don) SNP Committee
22 Sep 2015
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s 26th meeting in 2015. As always, I ask members to turn off their mobile phones, please. Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. It is proposed that the committee takes i...
The Convener SNP Committee
22 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am not a succession lawyer, but there will be previous statutes that still interact—I rather imagine that there will be several, given the way that law is scattered across the statute book. If we consolidate the two bills that we are talking about, of which the current bill ...
The Convener SNP Committee
29 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
With that, we turn to agenda item 2, which is our stage 1 consideration of the Succession (Scotland) Bill. Today, we will take oral evidence from the Scottish Government, in the persons of Paul Wheelhouse—good morning, minister—who is the Minister for Community Safety and Lega...
The Convener SNP Committee
29 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you very much for that brief statement, which covers some of the areas that colleagues will, I am sure, want to question you on more closely. I think that you covered whether the Government would want to consolidate legislation in this area. The committee would encourag...
The Convener SNP Committee
10 Nov 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The purpose of agenda item 7 is for the committee to consider the Scottish Government’s response to its report on the delegated powers in the Succession (Scotland) Bill. Do members have any comments?
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Dec 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am delighted to say that we have managed to get through the rest of the agenda, so we now come back to item 3, which is the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I just need to make sure that everyone is comfortable and that I have the right papers in front of me. We turn to the form...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Dec 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
That completes stage 2 consideration of the Succession (Scotland) Bill. Thank you. That also completes our agenda. Meeting closed at 11:56.
The Convener SNP Committee
26 Jan 2016
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Before Stage 3
Our penultimate agenda item is oral evidence on the Succession (Scotland) Bill, more specifically on the stage 3 amendments that have been lodged by the Government in relation to bonds of caution. We will take evidence from three panels: first from officials, secondly from exp...
Nigel Don (North East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
29 Jan 2008
Justice and Home Affairs in Europe
I concur. I would like to mention some specific dossiers, but I, too, am very concerned that a number of people down south simply do not recognise—or recognise far too late—that there is another legal system up here. I am not quite sure what the correct mechanisms are, but per...
Nigel Don: SNP Committee
18 Nov 2008
New Petitions
You may or may not be relieved to know that I am the MSP who was consulted on this case. It is not entirely clear from the issues that are written down in the papers precisely what is going on. I do not really want to go into it at length, but what my constituent is really con...
Nigel Don SNP Committee
28 May 2014
Land Reform Review Group
I am conscious that we must be running out of time, but I note that the report includes a section on the law of succession with regard to moveable property, and I would like to get a feel for how important the review group feels the subject is. I do not want you to rehearse th...
Nigel Don SNP Committee
28 May 2014
Land Reform Review Group
I understand that, but how vexed were people about the issue? I agree about succession law being unjust and the need for change. I am sure that, with regard to the laws of trust and the ways of holding land, there are plenty of ways of doing what is proposed. Lawyers will not ...
Nigel Don SNP Committee
19 Nov 2014
Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Again, if I have understood correctly—I also do not want to go into the Latin—either it is land that is of unknown provenance or we have no idea who should own it, due to failure of succession, so it falls to the Crown. I still come back to the question: why can the community ...
Nigel Don SNP Committee
26 Nov 2014
Community Empowerment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have already discussed section 97C(3)(e). I do not want to try the law in Latin. Why should land that falls to the Crown because the owner cannot be identified or because it falls in succession and there is no successor be exempt? Can anybody explain that to me? The answer ...
The Convener (Nigel Don) SNP Committee
23 Jun 2015
Decision on Taking Business in Private
I welcome members to the 22nd meeting in 2015 of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. I ask everyone to turn off any mobile devices. Under agenda item 1, it is proposed that we take item 6 in private. This will allow the committee to consider its approach to the s...
The Convener (Nigel Don) SNP Committee
01 Sep 2015
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning. I welcome members to the 23rd meeting in 2015 of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. As always, I ask members to switch off mobile phones. Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. It is proposed that the committee takes items 11 and...
The Convener (Nigel Don) SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the 24th meeting in 2015 of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee. As always, I ask members to switch off their mobile phones. I inform the committee that Richard Baker has rejoined the committee in place of Margaret McCulloch. However, he h...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you. We move on now with John Scott on the effects of divorce.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I observe on behalf of the committee that the fact that something is not very common does not mean that we do not need to get the law right. It does not matter if there is only one case. Even if we are not sure that the issue will arise, we still need to make sure that the law...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That takes us to page 6 of our question paper.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Sections 3 and 4 are on rectification of a will. I note what is in the bill, but I also note that the Law Society of Scotland and TrustBar commented that there might be other ways of doing this. They suggested at least that they could see alternatives and are, maybe, not terri...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am grateful to you for that advice. I note that Michael Kusznir and—I think—TrustBar commented on the date of the application for rectification. The particular suggestion that I want to pick up on is related to the fact that confirmation can sometimes take a very long time....
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So, as you have flagged up the issue, we can expect you to come back on that at some stage.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is fine. Thank you. I turn to the effect of revocation on a will and the possibility that the second or subsequent will might be struck down, for example because of incapacity. There is the possibility that it might have been the testator’s wish that the earlier will wou...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are we sure that that is what we want to happen? I am sorry, because that sounds like a policy statement—I am questioning whether that is what we want the policy to say.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I do as well, but I am conscious that we might need to think about that exceptional and rather rare circumstance.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Any reduction in work is welcome at this stage. James Kelly has questions on legacies.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Stewart Stevenson has questions about survivorship.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Forgive me, but I have to observe that that is one of the most worrying things about the whole subject—not just about the bill, in particular. Every single one of us in this room could find ourselves being the executor of a will, and we are ordinary folk, as are most executors...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That would be helpful. Earlier, we were talking about lawyers understanding the bill, which is fair enough. I have a great respect for lawyers. However, if there is one thing that we all need to do as adults, it is write a will. That is a pretty basic message, so the bill aff...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In considering that point, you might like to reflect on whether there are circumstances in which such decisions should be down to the discretion of a court. I recognise that generally that is what we are trying not to have, because then there could be a large number—up to the ...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It would plainly not be the preferred option most of the time, or everybody would finish up in court, which is exactly what we want to avoid. I will leave you to reflect on those exceptional cases. That takes us to forfeiture.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Perhaps he is.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I entirely accept that such things happen, but can I move us on? I wonder whether John Scott has another question.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
James Kelly has the last question on the proposals.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is, of course, entirely consistent with the committee’s remit and the legislation that should be in front of us, slightly strange though that might seem from the outside. That brings us to the end of our prepared questions and the end of this session. Thank you very much...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome our witnesses from the Scottish Law Commission. We have Caroline Drummond, who is the commissioner for the bill, and Charles Garland, who is the project manager for the bill. Welcome back, Mr Garland. I think that this is Caroline Drummond’s first formal appearance b...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is good to see you. Our questions will roughly follow those that we just asked the Scottish Government. They will therefore be led by John Mason.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On retrospection, are you comfortable that all the provisions have been translated in the best way? There are some things on which we want to change the general law of the land and to affect every will that is thereafter brought into effect but, on other matters, we would not ...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I move on to the power of rectification. The Scottish Government made it clear that it feels that the comments about rectification from the Law Society and TrustBar do not concern the general principle, so the provisions are not sufficiently contentious to be put in another bi...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Would you be happy with a relatively short time limit that was subject to the court’s discretion, as many things are?
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That seems to be a fair way forward.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will take the opportunity to raise an issue that I raised with the Scottish Government, which is that most executors of wills are laypeople—sometimes with a very small “l”. To what extent did the Scottish Law Commission consult laypeople who have experience of doing this—tho...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are you in a position—clearly you cannot do this now—to help the Government to produce the guidance that will surely be necessary, once we have got both bills through the process and possibly once the law has been consolidated, to ensure that the man or woman in the street can...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That heartfelt plea has not fallen entirely on deaf ears. Let us hope that the Government is listening.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On the basis that the situation does not occur very often, I suggest that we move on, although we need—as I have said—to ensure that the law is right even for such rare events. John Mason will take us on to protection for trustees, which I am sure is a common concern.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Would you like to take us forward, John?
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
James, I think that you are the tail gunner again.
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That brings us to the end of our questions. Thank you very much for your succinct and lucid answers. I suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to depart. 11:34 Meeting suspended. 11:36 On resuming—
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Meeting of the Parliament 11 November 2015

11 Nov 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Don, Nigel SNP Angus North and Mearns Watch on SPTV

I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. This is a Scottish Law Commission bill. It is only the second such bill to be considered by the committee following changes to standing orders in 2013 that provided that certain Scottish Law Commission bills may be referred to the DPLR Committee as the lead committee.

Before I talk about the bill’s specifics, I will briefly reflect on the commission’s role and the value of updating the law. The Scottish Law Commission plays a vital role in recommending reforms that are aimed at updating and improving Scots law. However, until recently, the take-up of commission-inspired bills has been very low. The process allows such bills to be given the consideration that they deserve and allows important reforms to be implemented. We must do what we can to ensure that Scots law is up to date and accessible. The Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee is reviewing the Scottish Law Commission bill process, and I hope that the outcome will build on the progress that we, as a Parliament, have made in improving the implementation of commission reports.

I turn to the bill. First, I thank all those who provided written and oral evidence to the committee. In addition to receiving the written submissions, the committee heard from legal and academic representatives over four oral evidence sessions. The bill covers very complex matters and the committee greatly appreciated the detailed evidence that it received.

The bill covers a disparate selection of measures that relate to succession law. It originates from a 2009 report of the Scottish Law Commission, which built on the recommendations of a commission report of 1990. The fact that those original recommendations had not been implemented rather makes the point.

It is clear that there has long been recognition of the need for reform in this area. Evidence to the committee reflected the need for reform; it also reflected the fact that the bill will contribute to the process of reform. The committee recognises the need for reform and the contribution that the bill will make to that process.

However, as the minister mentioned, the bill is only part of the reform of the law of succession. The Scottish Law Commission’s 2009 report also contained proposals that would make more wide-ranging reforms to the law of succession. The Scottish Government has been consulting on those proposals with a view to legislating further. The committee recognises that the wider consultation covers matters that require further consideration and that those matters might not be appropriate for an SLC bill. The committee therefore appreciates the necessity of a second bill on succession.

Nonetheless, having two bills on succession in such short order may present challenges and in particular may be confusing for the users of the legislation. With that in mind, the committee discussed with witnesses whether there would be value in consolidating the legislation after the second bill, and that approach was supported. The committee welcomes the Government’s commitment to considering consolidation in the context of a future succession bill. Consolidating the two bills would improve the accessibility of the law for the public, which the Parliament should always strive to do.

As I mentioned, succession is a complex area of law that impacts on the public widely. The committee welcomed the Scottish Government’s recognition of that and its commitment to review and update its guidance on what to do after a death. The committee remains of the view that it would be helpful to have guidance on what people need to do before death, as the minister noted, and it encourages the Scottish Government to reflect on the benefits of such guidance. We should all be aware of the desirability of leaving a properly functioning will.

As I said, the bill covers a disparate and varied set of measures in relation to succession, and members will be pleased to hear that I have no intention of covering most of them. I do, however, want to cover a few.

Section 1 provides that, if a marriage ends in divorce or a civil partnership terminates by dissolution, any provision in a will that benefits the testator’s former spouse or civil partner will not take effect. Section 1 applies to provisions in wills that appoint the testator’s former spouse or civil partner as a guardian of a child. That means that, under section 1 as it stands, a former spouse or civil partner could not become a guardian of a child.

Witnesses argued that it might be desirable in some cases for a former spouse or civil partner to become a guardian, irrespective of the absence of express provision to that effect, and that it would be unfortunate if their only option was to seek parental rights through lengthy and costly legal proceedings. The committee found those arguments persuasive, so it is pleased that the Scottish Government has agreed to lodge an amendment at stage 2 to remove the appointment of guardians from the effect of section 1.

Another area that I will highlight relates to survivorship. Sections 9 to 11 deal with the law relating to survivorship in the event of a common calamity, such as a car accident, in which two or more people’s deaths were simultaneous or it is not clear which person lived longer. A number of issues arose in relation to those sections. In particular, witnesses expressed concern about the situation in which a family perish together and, because the order of death is uncertain, the estate falls to the Crown rather than to other relatives.

Although the committee recognises that such a situation will arise rarely, it would not want the estate to fall to the Crown in such circumstances. It seems highly improbable that that would ever have been the testator’s wish. I am pleased that the Scottish Government is reflecting on the matter, and I hope that a solution will be found that avoids the possibility of the estate falling to the Crown, as far as that is practicably possible.

The committee expressed concern about the inconsistency of expression in the ancillary powers in the bill as compared with other bills. That is not a new concern. The committee welcomes the Scottish Government’s commitment to reflect further on how ancillary powers are expressed. We acknowledge that there might be reasons for framing the ancillary powers in a specific bill in a particular way, but we feel that there frequently seem to be differences in how such powers are framed that do not make much sense in the context.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-14768, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse, on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. 14:40
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
I am pleased to open the debate on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I thank those who submitted evidence, and I thank the convener, members and clerks of the ...
Nigel Don (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. This is a Scottish Law Commi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Could you draw to a close, please?
Nigel Don SNP
Although the reforms in the bill are technical and comparatively uncontroversial, they represent very important and necessary changes to succession law. More...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
As has been said, this bill was not considered by the Justice Committee, and I was completely unaware of its provisions until last week. I have not read thro...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I, too, am pleased to be participating in this stage 1 debate on the Succession (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee’s con...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We now move to the short open debate, with speeches of a maximum of four minutes. 15:05
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
This is an interesting bill, which we have been dealing with in the DPLR Committee. I will address my remarks to the rectification provisions in sections 3 a...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Although the bill is technical in nature, I agree with other members’ view that it is important. All of us, inside or outside the chamber, want to be assured...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Will you draw to a close, please?
Richard Baker Lab
The bill should certainly be supported at stage 1 today.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We turn to the closing speeches. 15:13
John Scott Con
I thank members for a good debate this afternoon. It is clear that there is a great deal of consensus in the Parliament and I am pleased that the Scottish La...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Labour supports the approach that has been taken at stage 1. Wills and inheritance are an important issue and I am grateful to Nigel Don and the DPLR Committ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
The member talks about keeping up with modern developments. Does he welcome, as I think I do, the abolition of the Parricide Act 1594, because it means that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I am afraid that you are approaching your last minute, Mr Pearson.
Graeme Pearson Lab
Indeed. I accept Stewart Stevenson’s point. The Parricide Act was enacted in 1594, so it has taken us a while to reconsider the circumstances, but the decisi...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
The spirit of this afternoon’s debate has served to highlight the value that the scrutiny of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee brings to the Scot...
Nigel Don SNP
On that point, I am conscious of the issue of common calamity, when we are not clear in which order people have died, and the risk that the estate will finis...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I take the member’s points on board. We are trying to deliver as much certainty as we can in the law of succession. I was going to turn in any case to the p...