Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,354,908
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Showing 60 of 2,354,908 contributions. Latest 30 days: 0. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 25 Mar 2026.
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
10 Dec 2009
Concessionary Travel Scheme
I welcome this opportunity to open the first parliamentary debate for five years devoted to concessionary travel.On 1 April 2006, the national concessionary travel scheme for older and disabled people, the product of the Transport (Scotland) Act 2005 and secondary legislation ...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
19 Nov 2009
Deafblind Scotland
I, too, congratulate Margaret Mitchell on securing the debate and endorse her welcome to deafblind people visiting the Parliament today.Margaret Mitchell highlighted important issues such as the identification and registration of deafblind people as a prelude to responding to ...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Chamber
10 Dec 2009
Concessionary Travel Scheme
When we are discussing future financial administration, real terms is the realistic way to look at things.The issue is not just the significance of smart cards. Leonard Cheshire Disability has pointed out the rather disappointing review when it considered including lower rate ...
Charlie Gordon Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2010
Active Travel
It has been a good debate. The convener comprehensively outlined the committee’s deliberations and recommendations. He nearly succeeded in sticking to that, apart from one sally about the Forth bridge.It was remiss of me not to mention in my opening speech the excellent suppor...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
26 Jan 2010
Active Travel Inquiry
The committee has heard evidence in the inquiry from regional transport partnerships, which carry out some of this work on behalf of local authorities, as their agents—we heard similar evidence in our previous inquiry into the draft Scottish budget for next year—that there was...
Charlie Gordon Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2010
Active Travel
I am delighted by that intervention. Allowing for the fact that the minister is clearly unwell today, I missed his usual self-congratulatory tone. I am delighted to hear that the germs have not yet laid him quite that low. I take note and will try to make that bus journey some...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
19 May 2009
Scottish Government <br />Transport Projects and Policy
You will know that the committee has argued for some time for a greater focus on active travel, especially in your department's spending priorities. I gather that you spoke at an active travel conference this week. What issues were raised, and what are you doing to prioritise ...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Chamber
10 Dec 2009
Concessionary Travel Scheme
I was addressing what Alex Johnstone said in his opening remarks, as Mr Hyde, before he became Dr Jekyll in his summing up.I am thinking of taking Shirley-Anne Somerville off my Christmas card list. That is not because she implied that I—a youthful-looking 58-year-old—was abou...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Jun 2010
Active Travel
I congratulate the Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee on the thoroughness of its inquiry and the clarity of its report on active travel—cycling and walking. I am a member of the committee, so I hasten to add that I am not being self-congratulatory. For the ...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
15 Jan 2008
Work Programme
I do not disagree with any of the suggested topics on the list. The question is whether we can fit in any of them in a piece of—if you will—quick and dirty work.I support David Stewart's view on what I call the son of the air route development fund. I still have high hopes tha...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
15 Jan 2008
Work Programme
I know for a fact that motorists do not do accurate calculations when they calculate the cost of their car travel. They fool themselves and convince themselves that the car is always cheaper. On the other hand, because of the way in which the railway industry is structured, pe...
Mr Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
21 Sep 2006
Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage
Scott Barrie opened the debate by confessing that he has to cajole, threaten, persuade, sweet-talk and blackmail Labour members into serving on private bill committees. I leave members to guess which method was deployed in my case. I have suffered while serving on the Edinburg...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
12 Jun 2008
Bus Transport
Improving bus services matters a great deal to many ordinary Scots, but one might not think so from reading the Government's amendment, which in effect says that high oil prices are a significant opportunity for the bus industry, but that it cannot take that opportunity becaus...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
But if there are fewer larger projects for engineers to work on at local authority level, will we see more of the small to medium-sized projects that might be associated with the active travel agenda, such as new cycleways?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
Yesterday, on a committee visit to Dumfries, Shirley-Anne Somerville and I learned a lot about work on active travel in that part of the country. One thing we learned was that Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary was the last to move away from giving young people cycle proficien...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
Yes. Looking at it again, I am not sure that the question is entirely logical. How does car sharing fit into the active travel agenda?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Active Travel Inquiry
My questions are for HITRANS and SEStran. What would be the impact on the uptake of walking and cycling if the Scottish Government was to reinstate travel planning grants to regional transport partnerships?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Active Travel Inquiry
Could the linkages between transport planning and town and country planning—the land use planning system—be improved to ensure that new development maximises the opportunities for active travel? Mr Roach touched on that issue a minute ago. What changes would need to be made to...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Active Travel Inquiry
In answer to my question, Mr Knowles seemed to suggest that the opportunity exists to lever in from the development industry additional investment for active travel infrastructure. I assume that that would happen through planning conditions or planning gain section 50 agreements—
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
26 Jan 2010
Active Travel Inquiry
I presume that you would like to see those processes contributing to the achievement of the national target on modal share for cycling and active travel in general.
Charlie Gordon Lab Committee
30 Nov 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
Gentlemen, I have a question on buses. The draft budget maintains the level of the bus service operators grant—indeed, to be fair, it was recently the subject of something like a 10 per cent increase. Of course, there is also the capped provision of £180 million per annum for ...
Charlie Gordon Lab Committee
07 Dec 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
My next question links concessionary travel and the bus service operators grant. The figure of £185 million for concessionary travel seems to be £5 million above the original cap that you told the committee about in a previous evidence session. However, the figure for the bus ...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 Mar 2011
Bus Services Regulation
Our previous full-scale debate on local bus services was way back on 12 June 2008. That is not to say that Labour has not campaigned relentlessly before and since for various improvements for bus users. Throughout this parliamentary session, we have fought for free bus travel ...
Charlie Gordon Lab Chamber
17 Mar 2011
Bus Services Regulation
Not for the first time, Mr Brown is wrong. If he listens for a bit longer, he will learn.The traffic commissioner continued:“Thus, Edinburgh has Lothian Bus whereas the surrounding counties have Stagecoach; Dundee has Travel Dundee ... and the counties have Stagecoach; Aberdee...
Charlie Gordon Lab Chamber
17 Mar 2011
Bus Services Regulation
I always like to give transport ministers credit where it is due and I have done that since Keith Brown took over his job. I will not criticise him for not taking an intervention from Karen Gillon, because I think he is feart of her. To be fair, so am I. However, he rather pho...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Jun 2007
Interests
Item 1 is declarations of members' interests. The weather's impact on members' travel arrangements last week make it necessary for me to invite Willie Coffey MSP to declare any interests that he might have that are relevant to the work of the committee.
Mr Gordon: Lab Committee
06 Jun 2006
Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage
The objectors state that air travel will decline in popularity due to its financial and environmental costs. When do you believe that that will occur and do you know of any evidence that it is starting to occur already?
Mr Gordon: Lab Committee
06 Jun 2006
Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage
Given that there are no proposals to increase the number of stations, particularly in west Edinburgh, how will people access the airport if there is future economic development in areas such as west Edinburgh? They will need to travel to an existing station.
Mr Gordon: Lab Committee
06 Jun 2006
Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage
Thank you—that would be helpful.How confident are you that EARL will meet the needs of business travellers? At the times when business travellers travel, train services could be reduced.
Mr Gordon: Lab Committee
13 Jun 2006
Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage
Given the fact that the train would travel much more quickly than the tram between the airport and Waverley, could that not lead to a shift from tram to train, thus reducing the profitability of the tram?
Mr Gordon: Lab Committee
13 Jun 2006
Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage
I want to touch on some broader policy issues. Does your association accept that the current situation with the railway industry in this country is such that rail travellers pay the true economic cost of their rail travel?
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Committee
06 Nov 2007
Ferry Links
A distinct look into Scotland's ferry services is overdue. For many years, that has not been done, except in the context of other, land-based means of travel. However, I take the convener's point that we do not necessarily want to duplicate work that the Government might be ab...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
04 Mar 2008
Ferry Services Inquiry
I remember that afternoon at Kilcreggan. However, I will move swiftly on.One of the four key outcomes of SPT's draft regional transport strategy is "attractive, seamless, reliable travel". How do you intend to improve the interface between ferry services and other forms of pub...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
06 May 2008
Ferry Services Inquiry
At that point there is presumably some fall off in interest; people are perhaps daunted by the travel logistics.
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
06 May 2008
Ferry Services Inquiry
It is certainly the case in your case.In the context of the inquiry, it appears that there is a lack of information and research on the interface between tourism and travel.
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
16 Dec 2008
High-speed Rail Services Inquiry
We have received evidence, and we have the paragraph that I quoted from the new national planning framework, about the possibility of not just high-speed rail services from central Scotland to London, but onward rail travel on the high-speed line to the continent. Do any imped...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Committee
23 Jun 2009
Road Safety Framework
The framework contains a commitment to promote the voluntary use of intelligent speed adaptation, which in effect is technology to govern the speed at which a vehicle can travel along different sections of its route to tie in with speed limits. You are considering carrying out...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
06 Oct 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
Given Mr Hoskins's knowledge of travel patterns in the west of Scotland, does he know whether many people who land at Glasgow airport take a bus to Paisley Gilmour Street, take a train from there to Glasgow Central high level, then go down to Glasgow Central low level and get ...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
03 Nov 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
How do you react to the suggestion that money could be saved by seeking to achieve better value from relatively expensive lines of revenue spending? The example was given to us of the administration costs that are associated with concessionary travel.
Mr Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
03 Nov 2005
Air Pollution (Glasgow)
Air pollution in Glasgow city centre is a challenge that has to be faced. I am just about old enough to remember Glasgow's air quality problems in the late 1950s and early 1960s, such as the killer smogs, which were eradicated in due course by the clean air legislation.The mot...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
27 Sep 2007
Edinburgh Airport Rail Links
The constitutional issue is not that the SNP is ignoring the previous Parliament's decision of 14 March 2007, but that it is ignoring this Parliament's decision of 27 June 2007. Of course, financial issues overshadow the debate. We have not really had answers to questions on t...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
29 Nov 2007
Tourism
As Labour's transport spokesman, I support Labour's amendment in this tourism debate, because Scotland's world-class tourism products and brands need a world-class distribution network. Of course, such networks are made up by transport links and effective marketing.I agree tha...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Chamber
23 Apr 2009
Transport Infrastructure <br />(West of Scotland)
I apologise for my late arrival to the debate. To be fair, it was not attributable to the west of Scotland's transport system but entirely my own fault.The west of Scotland—the Clyde valley, if you will—is a spatial reality as a travel-to-work area. It used to be a political r...
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
I will stick with the issue of parking across dropped kerbs that partially blocks the footway for pedestrians. Is it not the case that the police have powers to take action against people who cause such an obstruction? I agree that the behaviour that you have just complained a...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
I have a couple of questions for Moray Council. Mr Thompson, you have already touched on one of the cultural aspects of what your council did to increase the number of pupils travelling to school on foot or by bike. You mentioned role models. Can you tell us a bit more about h...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
I was going to ask about modal shift statistics, but you have just mentioned some, and you also mentioned some earlier. Is there anything else that you wish to say about modal shift figures?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
So we are talking about a real-terms trend, a bit like inflation.
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
Do you have any evidence that your work has had any impact on parents' transport choices more generally, forby the school run?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
It was about parents' general transport choices over and above the school run and other journeys that they make, perhaps not with children. Have you seen a modification in parental behaviour?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
Or pester power.
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
01 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
There seems to be a revenue implication. You have volunteers and champions, but the people who do the pestering and nagging have to be organised and recruited. I presume that there is a churn of such people.
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
I have some questions for the highway engineers. Do Scotland's transportation engineers have the knowledge and training to develop a comprehensive new network of cycle infrastructure and enhance the existing networks?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
So, all things being equal, you would like more money and you would like to work in bigger schemes. Earlier, you admitted that there has been a tick-box approach with, for example, trunk roads being built with bits of cycleway next to them that do not go anywhere. How about en...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
In the 19th century, engineers might have seen themselves as leaders, but we are in quite a different century now. Why have other northern European countries been able to develop comprehensive cycle and pedestrian networks in existing cities, while Scottish cities continue to ...
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
I have been involved in some of these decisions in one large Scottish city, but the recommendations were always written for me in the first place by an engineer. Is there a cultural issue here to do with how highway engineers handle traffic in our cities?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
The example that was cited in recent evidence to the committee is Copenhagen, which is very much in the news at the moment for other reasons.
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
But we have to understand cause and effect when we consider such cities. We heard evidence that Copenhagen did not always have a high percentage of cyclists and walkers.
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
If you do not mind, I will stick with the highways engineers for the moment, but it is up to the convener.
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
Is the construction of high-quality on-street and off-street cycle lanes and associated infrastructure as expensive as the construction of other road infrastructure?
Charlie Gordon: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Active Travel Inquiry
What was Jan Gehl's profession? Was he an architect or a highways engineer?
← Back to list
Chamber

Plenary, 10 Dec 2009

10 Dec 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Concessionary Travel Scheme
I welcome this opportunity to open the first parliamentary debate for five years devoted to concessionary travel.

On 1 April 2006, the national concessionary travel scheme for older and disabled people, the product of the Transport (Scotland) Act 2005 and secondary legislation prepared by transport ministers, came into operation. Although the scheme replaced 16 local schemes, it is still possible to enhance it at a local level. For example, in the Strathclyde partnership for transport area—a topical subject this morning—it is possible to get discounted fares on rail services and the Glasgow subway, and around Scotland there are other examples of what one might call a local non-bus dimension to concessionary travel. The national scheme also includes two free ferry journeys a year for island residents. However, it is principally and overwhelmingly a free bus travel scheme.

I have been gleaning a number of facts and figures from parliamentary questions. Given that the Minister for Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change, Stewart Stevenson, has described himself in the chamber as a "geek", I will not seek to give figures that are accurate to the nth degree, because I am sure that, punctilious as he is, the minister will if necessary correct me at the margins. At the moment, 1.1 million people hold national entitlement cards, the document that is key to concessionary travel and, in particular, free bus travel; 164,000 cards are held by people with disabilities and there are 104,000 companion cards in circulation to enable people with certain disabilities to be escorted.

The scheme is built around an agreement negotiated by Transport Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Government with the Confederation of Passenger Transport UK, which represents bus operators. It is a seven-year deal that, from its vesting day, takes us up to 2013. The principle for bus operators is that they should be no better and no worse off by participating in the scheme. However, thereby hangs a rather complicated tale and, as a former convener of a local concessionary travel scheme in Strathclyde, I know that the financing and financial administration of such schemes can be extremely complex.

At the moment, the system reimburses to CPT members what is, in my view, a rather generous 73.6 per cent of the average fare in Scotland. It is fair to say that there is some tension between Transport Scotland and CPT on the matter but, in my experience, tension can be a creative thing. The operators are interested in being paid average costs, whereas Transport Scotland has rightly proposed the establishment of a scheme in which increased patronage could be borne at marginal cost to operators. Other tensions have emerged; CPT has demanded that a cost escalator be built into future years, while the Scottish Government has understandably sought a cap, so that it knows the amount of finite resources it can plan to make available for future concessionary travel schemes.

One of the greatest complexities in the financial administration of concessionary travel is the generation factor—not, I stress, the generation game, although it can sometimes turn into a bit of an elaborate game. By that, I mean the difficult-to-capture information about the people travelling under the concessionary travel scheme who would not have done so if the scheme had not been in place. That kind of information bedevils a budget that is essentially a projection rather than a precise amount. Who will travel next year? How many journeys will they make? Will there in some years be a lack of financial provision for concessionary travel or will there, as has been more usual and as the minister has made clear on the record, be surpluses at the end of the year?

At the moment, the number of journeys per year is running north of 158 million and, when the scheme began in 2006, each journey was costing the taxpayer 78p. The cost is now substantially more than £1 per journey. Of course, one of the drivers of that increase has been the increase in commercial bus fares. The scheme's current real-term annual costs are in excess of £180 million and, according to a parliamentary answer, since it started operators have claimed £510 million and have been paid back £506 million. In other words, Transport Scotland has repudiated £4 million of gross claims.

It seems to me that as we try to move away from the average-costapproach to the marginal-cost approach, even more provision will be required, and I am heartened by the way in which the roll-out of smart card technology, which captures precise data about all bus journeys, is gathering momentum.

Even before the scheme started, people were saying that some of its aspects should be enhanced. In January 2006, the then MSP for Banff and Buchan took up the cudgels on behalf of the local community transport organisation, one of the best in the country, arguing that in rural areas community transport organisations account for a significant part of bus usage and should therefore be considered as part of the bus network and as operators for the purpose of the scheme. At that time, quite a number of MSPs signed a motion to that effect in the name of Stewart Stevenson.

In 2007, a number of members became concerned by approaches they were receiving from constituents who were, in the main, on the lower level of disability living allowance. They had received free bus travel in 2006; however, when on vesting day they had tried to claim their national entitlement card with their local concessionary travel card, which had been recognised as a valid document for free bus travel, they were told that they were not eligible for it. Essentially, from 2007 onwards, thousands of people who had been able to travel free in local authority schemes in Strathclyde, the Lothians, the Highlands and Fife were stripped of that benefit.

What went wrong? With a view to standardising eligibility and validation processes, the then Scottish Government undertook a public consultation exercise between October and December 2005. Following that, the national scheme eligibility criteria and validation processes were standardised with the agreement of transport authorities, operators, and the Mobility and Access Committee for Scotland. Subsequently, the arrangements were approved by secondary legislation. To ensure a smooth transition, people who were on the lower DLA rate in local schemes were simply ported across to free bus travel on vesting day in April 2006.

In the meantime, Transport Scotland expected that the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities would be involved in ensuring that all cardholders would be reassessed on the expiry of their existing cards. I am not at all clear why it was felt to be necessary to reassess people who had been through rigorous United Kingdom Government agency checks, but we are where we are.

So it could be said that there was a bit of a cock-up. There was considerable pressure in Parliament and on the minister to reflect the views of affected constituents, and he founded on a review of concessionary travel that would commence in 2008. However, just before that review started, the Halcrow Group reported to Transport Scotland that 42 per cent or more of car owners with entitlement cards were now using the car less, so we were starting to see benefits in terms of modal split. Halcrow concluded that the schemes in Scotland were contributing positively to reducing social exclusion and encouraging active lifestyles and modal shift from private car to public transport and, in particular, the bus.

Then came the review, and it was rather a closed review that mainly involved the civil service and Transport Scotland, and only accepted written submissions from other stakeholders. Yes, we welcomed and still welcome the recommendation to include disabled war veterans in the scheme, but we are particularly disappointed that people who are on the lower rate of DLA are still excluded. The review includes a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation that claims that it would cost £18 million for people who are in that category to be included once additional companion cards are factored in. Those calculations do not bear much scrutiny, as members will have seen from the e-mail that we received from Leonard Cheshire Disability. I have received a number of quotes from Leonard Cheshire and other voluntary organisations that reflect the views of those vulnerable people, and it is fair to say that in many parts of Scotland, the cry is still for people who are on the lower rate of DLA to be given free bus travel. I will have the opportunity to highlight those points when I sum up.

We should not be looking backwards at the cock-up, nor should we be constructing conspiracy theories. Across the parties in the Parliament, we should be doing the right thing by some very vulnerable people.

I move,

That the Parliament welcomes the recommendation of the Review of the Scotland Wide Free Bus Travel Scheme for Older and Disabled People to include seriously injured armed forces veterans to the scheme but notes with disappointment and concern the review's recommendation to disenfranchise disabled people who receive the lower rate of Disability Living Allowance (DLA) from the scheme; further notes that the review paints a worst-case scenario of the costs of including disabled people who receive the lower rate of DLA and that these costs are open to scrutiny and debate and that the review also played down the positive social impact that the scheme has on people's lives; acknowledges that denying disabled people on the lower rate of DLA access to the scheme will damage the main aims and ethos of the scheme, namely to allow disabled people improved access to services, facilities and social networks by free scheduled bus services and so promote social inclusion and improve health by promoting a more active lifestyle for disabled people; notes that previous local schemes operated in West Lothian and Strathclyde provided people on the lower rate of DLA access to concessionary travel schemes and that they supported the national scheme mirroring their eligibility criteria instead of the stringent criteria that are now adopted; welcomes disability organisations Leonard Cheshire Disability, Learning Disability Alliance Scotland (LDAS), Inclusion Scotland and many more in challenging the review's negative recommendation, and considers that disabled people's views, that the national concessionary travel scheme should include people who receive the lower rate of DLA instead of backing the unfair recommendation on eligibility from the review, should be listened to.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson): NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S3M-5378, in the name of Charlie Gordon, on concessionary travel.
Charlie Gordon (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab
I welcome this opportunity to open the first parliamentary debate for five years devoted to concessionary travel.On 1 April 2006, the national concessionary ...
The Minister for Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change (Stewart Stevenson): SNP
For the avoidance of doubt, I report to Parliament my interest in the scheme by displaying my old person's bus pass, which I have used on ministerial busines...
Charlie Gordon: Lab
Is the minister aware that I took a leaf out of the book of his colleague, Angela Constance?
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
Indeed, but I think that Leonard Cheshire probably also had something to do with the drafting of the motion.This is a serious matter, and it is good that we ...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab
Will the minister reflect on yesterday's debate, during which members of his party were trumpeting on about other parties and the Parliament doing things bet...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
The member makes a perfectly reasonable point, but I point out that I congratulated her party and, indeed, the Liberal Democrats when they introduced the sch...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD): LD
We all agree that the national concessionary travel scheme, which was introduced by the previous Executive, has been a resounding success. We also agree that...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
When engaged in the political process, I meet a lot of people who believe that politicians just argue with one another all the time and that we do it for the...
Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab): Lab
I hope that the member will agree that the key point here is that we should look to the Government to say precisely where the money will come from. It is the...
Alex Johnstone: Con
The member has missed the point entirely.I spent part of yesterday afternoon listening to Alistair Darling's pre-budget statement. I heard a chancellor talki...
Alison McInnes: LD
Does Alex Johnstone accept that I said in my speech that the Government ought to look at this in an holistic way, for example by looking at the health benefi...
Alex Johnstone: Con
Indeed, I fully accept that. However, since the election in 2007, I have listened to many Liberal Democrat spokesmen in the Parliament make what appear to be...
Cathy Jamieson (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (Lab): Lab
Will the member give way?
Alex Johnstone: Con
I am just about to finish.We have always said that money does not grow on trees, and that has never been more true than today. We must prioritise. If we are ...
John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab): Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this morning's debate and support fully the sentiment and details of the motion.Like many MSPs, I have received a signi...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
Does John Park welcome, as I do, the work that Glasgow City Council is undertaking to develop a statuatory bus partnership, that will deliver almost all the ...
John Park: Lab
I think that there will be an awful lot of support for what Charlie Gordon is trying to achieve through his bill. There is support not just in the Scottish P...
Shirley-Anne Somerville (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I understand that Ian McKee and Chris Harvie, who will be speaking later, and the minister have already collected their bus passes and that Charlie Gordon mi...
Karen Gillon: Lab
Will the member give way?
Shirley-Anne Somerville: SNP
For more than a year after the scheme was established, not a word came from the parties on the unfairness of the criteria that they introduced, unless I miss...
Karen Gillon: Lab
I fully appreciate and understand that we got it wrong in the previous parliamentary session. No Labour member will say anything different from that. However...
Shirley-Anne Somerville: SNP
I have heard from no Labour members how they would pay for their motion—I will come on to that in due course.Within weeks of becoming the Opposition, members...
Karen Gillon: Lab
So did Angela Constance.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman): Lab
Ms Gillon.
Shirley-Anne Somerville: SNP
General demands to spend money are one thing; detailed and costed proposals are another. Opposition members must face up to the reality.
Alison McInnes: LD
Ms Somerville accuses us of opportunism, but that is not the case. The Liberal Democrats raised the issue as we headed into a review, which Tavish Scott buil...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Lab
Please face your microphone—we cannot hear you.
Alison McInnes: LD
I beg your pardon, Presiding Officer.When that review began, we rightly suggested amendments to the scheme.
Shirley-Anne Somerville: SNP
Many people have proposed amendments to the scheme, but Opposition members have not addressed how to pay for those amendments. I will return to that.When we ...