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Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
20 Apr 2006
Local Government Pensions
The motion that is before the Parliament was passed unanimously at Labour's Scottish conference in February. I hope, therefore, that Labour members in particular will support their party policy today.More than 1 million workers went on strike on 28 March in the biggest industr...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
06 Dec 2006
Council Tax
I will come to the member later. He should give me a chance to get started.As members said, when the Conservatives initiate a debate on the council tax, credibility is stretched too far. No one can trust the policies on local government finance of a party that defended the pol...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
18 Nov 2004
Fire (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Two years ago today, the first national fire strike in 25 years began. I was on the picket line at Liberton fire station in Edinburgh. Little did I realise that I would mark the second anniversary of that dispute standing here in the Scottish Parliament, debating plans for a r...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
25 Jan 2006
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Today, I have great pleasure in introducing this stage 1 debate on the Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill. It is a proud moment for me and for the Scottish Socialist Party. I thank those MSPs, particularly in the Green party and the independent group, who we...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
23 Nov 2005
Business Motion
I lodged my amendment to the business motion because the Parliament needs the fullest and earliest opportunity to discuss the important issues that arise from yesterday's announcement by the Home Office regarding the non-existent protocol over the forced removal of asylum seek...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
01 Feb 2006
Council Tax Abolition and Service Tax Introduction (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In his reply to Tommy Sheridan, the minister claimed that the Scottish service tax is the most unpopular tax ever put in front of the Parliament. I would like to tell the minister that he is deluding himself if he thinks that the feeling for the proposed tax comes anywhere nea...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
11 May 2006
First Minister's Question Time · United Kingdom Cabinet (Reshuffle)
It was not the Scottish Socialist Party that was booed off by health workers at its conference for wanting to close hospitals throughout Scotland, it was not the Scottish Socialist Party that was selling peerages to dodgy millionaires and it was not the Scottish Socialist Part...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
09 Nov 2006
Housing Stock Transfer
I have thoroughly enjoyed this morning's debate. I agree with those members who said that it has been all too short and look forward to the Executive making available some of the copious amounts of time that it has. The Scottish Socialist Party has only one chance each year to...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
25 Oct 2006
Scotland International
Indeed. I will bear that in mind throughout my speech, Presiding Officer.I say to Phil Gallie that, as a democrat, I respect the wishes of the people of Scotland and abroad. Like the Conservatives, I have lost a damn sight more elections that I have ever won, and I have learne...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
26 Jan 2006
East of Scotland Economy (Transport Links)
Many members have rightly highlighted the fact that the Tory's motive for lodging such a motion at this time is the Dunfermline West by-election. Like other members, I would have thought that a more pressing debate following the announcement this week would be about the 700 jo...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
19 Apr 2006
Supporters Direct in Scotland
Like other members, I congratulate Frank McAveety on securing the debate. I enjoyed his speech, as I have enjoyed the speeches of other members. They have said, rightly, that football in this country is the people's game. It conveys a large part of the passion that exists in w...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
10 Jan 2007
Bring Back our Buses Campaign
I thank members for joining me for the first members' business debate of the new year.I raise three important issues: first, the impact of bus service cuts and fare increases on public transport provision in Edinburgh and the Lothians; secondly, the greater role for public tra...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
06 Dec 2006
Civic Participation (Trade Unions)
I offer the Parliament the apologies of my colleagues in the Scottish Socialist Party, who will be absent from this afternoon's debates. They are attending the funeral of Rosie Kane's father, who, sadly, passed away this week.As members appreciate, the SSP attaches great impor...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
02 Oct 2003
Antisocial Behaviour
I will give way to the minister in a second.Doubtless, the Scottish Socialist Party will be portrayed in the debate by ministers and deputy ministers as bleeding heart liberals. Nonetheless, we will focus on the underlying causes of the problems that arise, because things happ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
23 Feb 2005
Fire (Scotland) Bill
Deputy returning officer—Laughter. I mean Deputy Presiding Officer—I will get your title right if it kills me, and it probably will.Like the other members of the Justice 2 Committee, I thank the clerks to the committee for the part that they played in the scrutiny of the bill....
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
06 Sep 2006
Future of Scotland
I will come to the SSP in a second. I have three minutes to go. Of course, Labour members will not like to hear that Labour's standing in the polls across Britain is at a 20-year low. Tony Blair's spectacular and demonstrable loss of touch, which is evident in the position tha...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
22 Nov 2006
Christmas Day and New Year's Day Trading (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I bow to the expert on online shopping.It is inevitable that the intersection between culture and commerce has been thrown up by the arguments of the tourism industry, which argued that people who come to Scotland to spend their hard-earned cash want the fullest possible exper...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
08 Feb 2007
Forth and Tay Bridges Tolls
I respect TRANSform Scotland's work, but it goes over the top when it says that those who want to abolish the tolls are undermining the nation's attempts to reduce climate change emissions. Under its logic, we would still have a £7 toll on the Skye bridge and tolls on the Ersk...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
13 Apr 2005
Scotland's Needs and Aspirations
Like other members, I welcome the independents' approach to the debate, which has provided an opportunity for us to consider an eclectic collection of themes that reflect the needs and aspirations of the Scottish people.I will focus on one aspiration, which was highlighted thi...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
05 Oct 2006
Senior Citizens
Pensioners throughout Scotland are looking for more than warm words and patronising remarks from parties that have done so much to bring them to their current poverty. Millions of pensioners in this country live well below the breadline, ravaged by increased inequality and a d...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
08 Jun 2005
G8
As a Lothians MSP, I welcome the G8 protesters to Edinburgh and know that I speak for the vast majority of people in this city when I welcome them. People throughout Scotland are heartened that so many people who are motivated by a raw sense of injustice and inequality will be...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
09 Nov 2006
Housing Stock Transfer
I am happy to hear Patrick Harvie clarify his position. The briefing needs to be ridiculed because it is ridiculous for it to say that opposition to stock transfer is ideologically driven. That is an astonishing point to make, blind as the SFHA is to the Treasury's ideological...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
29 Jun 2005
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This is one of those rare debates when we have ample time for speeches. It was interesting to listen to representatives of the landlord class—if I can say that—in John Home Robertson and David Davidson. John Home Robertson is correct to say that the most serious housing proble...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
25 Sep 2003
Scottish National Theatre
I welcome the debate. It is fitting that our concerns, questions and inquiries about where we go from here are added to the welcome that we have given to the announcement of the Scottish national theatre. I am sure that the minister will take those concerns, questions and inqu...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
30 Oct 2003
“Building Better Cities”
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Because of the time limit, the Scottish Socialist Party is not going to get a chance to contribute to the debate. We will be the only party to be denied the opportunity to speak in the debate. I ask the Presiding Officer to think about w...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
14 Apr 2005
Council Tax
Yesterday in the chamber, I highlighted a poll that showed that 79 per cent of Scots support greater wealth redistribution. If this Parliament could take one step before all others that would significantly shift wealth from the well-off to those who need it most, it would be t...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
02 Mar 2006
Shirley McKie Case (Inquiry)
I am sorry—I do not have the time. A public inquiry is needed more than it has ever been. There is a groundswell of opinion for it. The Scottish Socialist Party will support the Scottish National Party's motion, but I hope that since it is only the SSP amendment that calls for...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
22 Mar 2006
Motion of Condolence
On behalf of the Scottish Socialist Party, I offer our sincere condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Margaret Ewing. Margaret was someone whom we six MSPs got to know only briefly—we shared a corridor with her—but we recognised in her someone well known and well...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
15 Jun 2006
Senior Judiciary (Vacancies and Incapacity) (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
Presiding Officer, you must have confused me with another sprinter.I apologise to the Minister for Justice for missing her opening remarks in the debate—I was taking my kids to school—but I am grateful to the Scottish Executive, the Minister for Justice and the First Minister ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
07 Mar 2007
Christmas Day and New Year's Day Trading (Scotland) Bill
Like other members, I congratulate Karen Whitefield on her bill and on raising important issues in the Parliament in the past couple of years. We are discussing the bill today because our biggest department stores have for the past three years opened on new year's day—because ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
22 Jan 2004
Higher Education (Top-up Fees)
As I watched the debate on variable top-up fees unfold at Westminster in the past few weeks and saw the dwindling number of Labour rebels, it brought to mind the famous description of a shiver running through Labour ranks desperately looking for a spine to run down.The Labour ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
25 Jun 2003
Modernising Justice
As the Scottish Socialist Party's justice spokesperson, perhaps I could ask the representatives of the other parties what a harridan is. It seems to me that fewer professions in Scotland are held in lower regard than are lawyers and perhaps journalists. Here we are as politici...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
24 Sep 2003
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
I oppose motion S2M-387. The functions that will be transferred in the draft Scotland Act 1998 (Transfer of Functions to the Scottish Ministers etc) (No 2) Order 2003 are the serious powers to open or read any piece of mail, e-mail, fax correspondence, computer file or other p...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
25 Sep 2003
Scottish National Theatre
I welcome the minister's announcement. In the spirit of both previous speeches, I offer a quote from the poet Alan Riach, which puts matters in context. In The Scotsman recently, Alan Riach quoted an Irish prime minister:"Arts are the genius of your country, and the key with w...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
29 Oct 2003
Children's Panels (Membership)
I very much welcome Scott Barrie's motion and the positive points that he raises. As the Scottish Socialist Party's justice spokesperson, I have taken three opportunities in recent weeks to meet various professionals in the Scottish children's hearings system. Indeed, I sat on...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
11 Feb 2004
Football
With respect, if the member will allow me, I will tell him precisely what the Scottish Socialist Party's policy is.I want to highlight one or two points, if I can, as my time is rapidly diminishing. What happens when a team collapses? Yesterday I spoke to Jackie McNamara of th...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
10 Mar 2004
Antisocial Behaviour etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Earlier on this afternoon, the Minister for Parliamentary Business suggested that the Scottish Socialist Party did not want to discuss antisocial behaviour—nothing could be further from the truth. That is probably not the last point on which I will disagree with her and other ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
17 Jun 2004
Antisocial Behaviour etc (Scotland) Bill
I fully support communities in Scotland that are trying their best to build strong and attractive places for people to live in, but which find that their plans and their lives are blighted by petty crime and offensive behaviour. I live in such a scheme. Indeed, as I have alrea...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
15 Sep 2004
Relocation of Public Sector Jobs
Following the release today of the Fraser report, I am sure that many people will clamour for the relocation of one particular civil servant. Perhaps it is fortunate for Sir Muir Russell that he has not found himself being relocated to Botany bay.The Scottish Socialist Party i...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
16 Dec 2004
Reoffending
I am delighted that we have already secured an admission and an apology from the Tories. I hope that that is not the last one in the debate.I hope that members will address the attitude that I have mentioned, examine where we are failing and accept that a change in direction i...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
22 Dec 2004
Congestion Charging Scheme Referenda
I congratulate David McLetchie on securing the debate and I am grateful to the Presiding Officer for allowing me to speak early. I apologise to members because I will not be able to hear all the speeches—I must pick up my son from the nursery.Mr McLetchie suggested that the re...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
03 Mar 2005
G8 Summit (Right to Protest)
I hope that this debate is as lively as the one that preceded it.The Scottish Socialist Party looks forward very much to the G8 summit that will be held in Gleneagles in July. In particular, we look forward to welcoming the people who will join us in the protest against the G8...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
19 May 2005
First Minister's Question Time · Secretary of State for Scotland (Meetings)
The First Minister said "or during". A few weeks ago, the Parliament voted on a Scottish Socialist Party motion to reiterate its support for the democratic right to march in peaceful protest in Scotland, but decisions have been taken to set up road blocks and exclusion zones t...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
29 Jun 2005
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry; I am in my last minute.I would like more rights for local authorities. They should be given powers to make compulsory the lease of empty properties—some 87,000 properties lie empty throughout Scotland. That could go a long way towards alleviating Scotland's chronic...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
27 Oct 2005
First Minister's Question Time · Asylum Seekers (Forced Removal)
I am proud that the Scottish Socialist Party has exceptional values compared with those that were illustrated by the eviction and deportation of the Vucaj family in Drumchapel. Will the Deputy First Minister tell the Parliament what the Scottish Executive will do to help bring...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
03 Nov 2005
Management of Offenders etc (Scotland) Bill
If I had more time, I could provide the full quotation. However, the figures and claims are already on the record.The bill attempts to make it seem as if the Executive is moving things forward; in fact, very little in it will meaningfully address the underlying problem of reof...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
22 Dec 2005
First Minister's Question Time · Equal Pay (Local Authorities)
In the spirit of this afternoon's proceedings, on behalf of the Scottish Socialist Party I extend my best wishes to the people of Scotland for a happy Christmas and a prosperous new year, when I hope that some of the prosperity will be shared out more evenly.COSLA believes tha...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
09 Feb 2006
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill
Does the member accept that the low-paid workers and pensioners whom he just mentioned would be the biggest beneficiaries of the Scottish service tax that the Scottish Socialist Party proposed last week? Will he explain why the Liberal Democrats are in favour of scrapping the ...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
02 Mar 2006
Shirley McKie Case (Inquiry)
I am grateful to Alex Neil for that intervention—it was exactly on cue.The second issue concerns the reliability of fingerprint evidence, which has been called into question by many people in recent weeks. The Lord Advocate and the chief constable of Dumfries and Galloway cons...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
22 Mar 2006
Edinburgh Tram (Line Two) Bill
The debate is about both the principle of trams and the feasibility and value of trams in Edinburgh. The Scottish Socialist Party welcomes in principle the proposal to build tramlines in Edinburgh. We agree that they will be a valuable addition to public transport provision an...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
04 May 2006
Police and Justice Bill
As a member of the Justice 2 Committee, I support the amendment in the name of the convener, David Davidson. As members can see, it is a two-part amendment and it expresses two specific concerns. First, it expresses concern that persons domiciled in Scotland who face no charge...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
25 May 2006
Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill
Perhaps uniquely, the Scottish Socialist Party will oppose the bill at 5 pm. Throughout the bill's parliamentary progress, we have raised many concerns, and it is fair to say that the bill's deficiencies are clearer now, at twenty to 5, than they ever have been before.The over...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
07 Sep 2006
Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am grateful for that intervention—it was almost longer than my speech—but it is a red herring. The Scottish legal complaints commission will contain lawyers. Legal briefs will be involved. Conduct complaints could be heard by a committee with a five-to-four majority, so ther...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
13 Sep 2006
Penicuik Leisure Facilities
I congratulate Christine Grahame on securing this members' debate on the provision of leisure services in Penicuik, and I note that the Lothians region is doing well in the draw for members' business debates. Last week, we had a debate on children's services in West Lothian. I...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
14 Sep 2006
Criminal Proceedings etc (Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
When I heard the minister make the same remark earlier, I could not help but be struck by the parallel with debates at the time of the poll tax, when it was argued that the only people who were not paying it were those who could afford to. The argument is a complete red herrin...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
05 Oct 2006
Senior Citizens
I remind the member that the central part of the SSP's proposal would mean that all people on incomes of £10,000 a year or less—which is the vast majority of senior citizens—would be exempt. Pensioners have clearly understood that message.If there is one proposal that would do...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
22 Nov 2006
Christmas Day and New Year's Day Trading (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
The Scottish Socialist Party has supported the bill proudly since its introduction, when we were among its initial signatories.Sitting on the Justice 2 Committee and listening to all the evidence, it became clear to me that shop workers are currently being coerced into working...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
30 Nov 2006
Bankruptcy and Diligence etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am sorry, but I do not have the time.As other members have made clear, the rich will avoid their debts, and it is vulnerable debtors who will be penalised most by the measure. There are far better alternatives than land attachment: lodging an inhibition, earnings arrestments...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
30 Nov 2006
Bankruptcy and Diligence etc (Scotland) Bill
Indeed, Presiding Officer. As many other members have mentioned, civic Scotland is up in arms about the bill. It threatens to undo much of the good that the Parliament has done on homelessness and, for those reasons, the Scottish Socialist Party will not support it at 5 o'clock.
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
14 Dec 2006
Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Bill
As other members have said, there were many issues for the Justice 2 Committee to consider in scrutinising this 80-page bill, which was probably dwarfed by the hundreds of submissions from throughout the country that we had to read.In the three minutes that I have, I will addr...
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Chamber

Plenary, 20 Apr 2006

20 Apr 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Local Government Pensions
The motion that is before the Parliament was passed unanimously at Labour's Scottish conference in February. I hope, therefore, that Labour members in particular will support their party policy today.

More than 1 million workers went on strike on 28 March in the biggest industrial dispute that Britain has seen for decades. They made clear to all their anger and determination to defend their pension rights from attack. I was on the picket line that day, as were all my Scottish Socialist Party colleagues. I also attended the Edinburgh strike rally. I congratulate all the workers across Britain who took part in that day of action. The Scottish Socialist Party stands proudly alongside local government workers in this dispute. I am grateful that it has been noted that the SSP is the only political party to back the strike, attend the picket lines and support the strike rallies.

The question that 1.5 million local government workers continue to ask is: why are our pensions under attack at all? The Government and employers argue that, as everyone is living longer and the baby-boom generation is soon to retire, we face a demographic time bomb and a pension fund into which too few people are paying and out of which too many people will take. Indeed, the recent report from Adair Turner proposed that the way around the problem is for workers to pay more of their wages into the fund, to work longer—perhaps to 68 or 70—and to expect far less of a pension in return.

The SSP rejects that proposition. We do not accept that the money does not exist to pay a decent pension to everyone when they retire. The local government pension scheme is perfectly capable of meeting its future obligations in Scotland. We also reject the notion that the reward for better health and greater longevity is that people work longer and expect less on retirement—when it finally comes. Perhaps uniquely in the debate, the SSP retains the view that the retirement age should be reduced, not increased. The best way for working people to celebrate living longer is to spend their retirement in dignity and free from poverty. That is what people want.

At every opportunity that is afforded to them, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Labour members stand up and tell us that Britain is having the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth it has ever had. We can see clearly the signs that the rich and the wealthy are benefiting; those signs are all around us. However, Labour members cannot applaud record profits and economic boom only to turn round and say that the money does not exist for the poorest among us to expect even a meagre pension.

Frankly, the facts and figures do not back up the argument that Labour members make. Britain spends only 5.5 per cent of its gross domestic product on pensions, whereas the average across the European Union is 11 per cent. The average pension for a member of the local government pension scheme is £3,800 per annum. The average pension for working-class women, who represent the overwhelming majority of scheme members, is £31 per week, which is a ludicrous and scandalous sum of money.

I remind members that the state pension is £87 a week, which is just 20 per cent of average earnings. On the other hand, the average company director retires at 60—if not 55—and takes home a pension that is 26 times that of the average local government worker. Last year, the combined profit of the banks in Britain was £35 billion and the combined profit of the oil companies BP and Shell was £25 billion.

The cuts that Labour made to corporation tax resulted in an £11 billion loss to pension funds. The pension holidays that the top FTSE 100 companies took between 1988 and 2002 resulted in a loss of £28 billion from their pension funds. It is ridiculous to say that the money does not exist to pay for decent pensions or to allow people to retire at 60.

The mood of working people is angry and betrayed. They are determined to fight for what is theirs. I remind members that pensions were not granted by philanthropic Governments or employers; they were fought for and won by previous generations of working people. Indeed, in recent years, by not matching contributions, by abandoning final salary schemes and—in some cases—by bankrupting pension schemes altogether, employers have ratted on their side of the deal.

The issues at stake in the debate could hardly be bigger. The rule of 85 is not the real issue; in some ways, it is the thin end of the wedge. The Government is using a relatively unused clause of the local government pension scheme as a precursor to wider attacks on pensions. It is iniquitous that local government pension scheme members are being denied the right to retire at 60 when that right is afforded to teachers, civil servants and other public pension scheme members.

The Scottish Executive has said that the legal advice that it has been given is that the rule of 85 contravenes European law. I ask the Executive again—as many members have done recently—to put into the public domain today the advice that it was given. The Executive's argument is nothing more than a fig leaf to cover its intention to make further attacks on local government pensions.

The political choice on the matter is clear: it is a question of whether current pension rights are honoured and we go forward to improve them, or employers rat on their obligations and take away from working people that which they have worked for and earned.

Some on the right pour scorn on the pension rights of local government workers, and say that those rights are better than those of private sector workers. The people who bleat the most tend to be company directors such as Digby Jones, the director general of the Confederation of British Industry, who will retire at 60 with a half a million pound pay-off and a £90,000 pension. That is utter hypocrisy.

Workers in all sectors deserve better pensions, and I remind them that we get nothing in this life without fighting for it. The lesson from local government workers' pensions for those who do not have similar schemes is that workers should join a union and campaign to retire at 60 and enjoy a full and decent retirement.

The Scottish Socialist Party rejects new Labour's manifesto of pay more, work longer and expect less in return. We support index-linked pensions and a £150-a-week pension for all now, rising to two thirds of the average wage. The Scottish Socialist Party hopes that a negotiated settlement that is acceptable to union members can be agreed in the dispute, but it must meet certain demands, maintain the right to retire at 60, not reduce the present pension rights and address the diabolical level of pensions that are paid out to the vast majority of local government pension scheme members.

I move,

That the Parliament notes with concern the Scottish Executive's announcement on 17 January 2006 to abolish the Rule of 85 for members of the local government Pension Scheme (LGPS) in Scotland; recognises that the proposed changes will have a detrimental impact on many working people who support vital public services, often on low wages, in a wide range of occupations in Scotland, including workers in local government, the Environment Agency, police support, cleaning and waste companies, the voluntary sector, bus companies, higher education and others; notes that this decision means that LGPS members are denied the same rights and protections as members of other public sector pension schemes which have agreed to allow retirement at the age of 60 on a full pension; further notes recent comments made by EU Commissioners on this issue indicating that changes to the Rule of 85 would not necessarily be a requirement under EU legislation and previous assurances given to COSLA and the relevant trade unions that the Rule of 85 for members of the LGPS in Scotland would be retained; recognises that members of the LGPS contribute to the scheme and want to ensure that there is a viable and sustainable future for it; further recognises that the financial standing of Scotland's LGPS is significantly healthier than schemes elsewhere in the UK and therefore calls for a distinctive approach, and further calls on the Executive to review and publish its legal advice regarding the Rule of 85 and to work with trade unions and COSLA to find a settlement which protects local government workers' pension rights.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh): Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-4253, in the name of Colin Fox, on local government pensions. Before we proceed to the debate, I will all...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP
As long as it is not part of my seven minutes, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
No, it is not. Your seven minutes will start when I call you, Mr Fox. That is what we do in these circumstances.
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP
The motion that is before the Parliament was passed unanimously at Labour's Scottish conference in February. I hope, therefore, that Labour members in partic...
The Minister for Finance and Public Service Reform (Mr Tom McCabe): Lab
The debate provides a welcome opportunity to set out once again the Executive's position on our legal obligations under European law and our strong desire to...
Brian Adam (Aberdeen North) (SNP): SNP
Will the minister give way on that point?
Mr McCabe: Lab
Not at the moment. It would be easier if the legal position were different. We are fully aware that it creates an anomalous situation for some local governme...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP
Does the minister accept that the directive contains a number of provisions to exempt particular pension schemes? Does he not consider that paragraph 5(1) of...
Mr McCabe: Lab
I am aware of various articles of the directive and appreciate the fact that Mr Swinney draws it to our attention. It is clear that our legal advisers are eq...
Colin Fox: SSP
The minister says that he is earnestly seeking an honest solution to the dispute, which everybody welcomes. Will he guarantee that the honest and earnestly s...
Mr McCabe: Lab
That is, of course, exactly what we are trying to do. I have already made that perfectly clear. In case it was not picked up, I will say it again: without th...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP
The minister said in his speech that he was committed to finding a negotiated solution. I welcome those remarks and the fact that the discussions can take pl...
Mr McCabe: Lab
This might strike some people as pretty obvious, but it was impossible to begin negotiations to try to find a replacement for the benefit until we had declar...
Mr Swinney: SNP
Mr McCabe makes my point for me. The Government had concluded that the rule of 85 was all over and done with, but I do not take that view. If we have an issu...
Mr McCabe rose— Lab
Mr Swinney: SNP
I would love to take an intervention, but the Presiding Officer would probably contemplate throwing me out, and not for the first time.It is important for th...
Mr David Davidson (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
As Colin Fox rightly said, relatively few people are affected by the change, so we have to ask why we had a strike. The answer is that the unions and people ...
Mr McCabe: Lab
I point out to the member that the question of the rule of 85 was first mentioned in a consultation document in 2004.
Mr Davidson: Con
In that case, perhaps the minister will tell us what progress he has made with the discussions in the time leading up to today, but that is another point, pr...
Mr Andrew Arbuckle (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD): LD
Before I arrived in the Parliament I did not fully appreciate the meaning of the phrase "the luxury of opposition". However, we have a prime example of it th...
Carolyn Leckie (Central Scotland) (SSP): SSP
I am sure that Labour members will be interested to know that the member thinks that a Labour party motion is chip wrapping, but they can take that up with h...
Mr Arbuckle: LD
That was a premature intervention, if I may say so. I will come to that point.We should remember that the rule of 85 is divisive. I would have thought that t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman): Lab
We move to the open debate. I want to fit everyone in, so each speaker will have a tight four minutes.
Janis Hughes (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab): Lab
We are debating an important issue. The solidarity that the local government workers who went on strike on 28 March showed is testament to the strength of fe...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP): SSP
Will the member take an intervention?
Janis Hughes: Lab
No. We have already heard from Colin Fox.The minister said that he has worked with and listened to all the parties involved in the argument. I sincerely hope...
Brian Adam (Aberdeen North) (SNP): SNP
A public debate about pensions in general is taking place. Some people have erroneously tried to draw a distinction between circumstances in the private sect...
Colin Fox: SSP
Will the member take an intervention?
Brian Adam: SNP
Colin Fox has had his opportunity to speak.The local government pension scheme is real, unlike the NHS pension scheme, to which Janis Hughes referred, which ...
Mark Ballard (Lothians) (Green): Green
Public sector workers have never expected high wages, but they do expect their pensions to be safe. Local government workers were therefore right to be outra...