Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,354,908
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Showing 60 of 2,354,908 contributions. Latest 30 days: 0. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 25 Mar 2026.
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
25 Jan 2006
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Today, I have great pleasure in introducing this stage 1 debate on the Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill. It is a proud moment for me and for the Scottish Socialist Party. I thank those MSPs, particularly in the Green party and the independent group, who we...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
25 Jan 2006
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The minister and the deputy minister have both argued that there is a series of anomalies, but they then suggest that the way to get rid of them is not to abolish charges. The Executive is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. No matter how we look at the current exe...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
08 Sep 2004
Scottish Executive's Programme
This debate is about offering a vision of a different Scotland—a more socially just Scotland. I am sure that, as we open this new building, people across the country will be taking stock of the achievements of this Parliament after five years. They will list free personal care...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I will come to that. First, I want to establish that prescription charges deter people from accessing the health service. That is repeatedly backed up by studies not just in this country but throughout the world. That is a role that prescription charges play. Thereafter, we ha...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
15 Mar 2007
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Prescription Charges
Four years ago, the Executive promised to review national health service prescription charges for those who suffer from long-term conditions. The charges have since risen year on year and are now £6.85 for each medicine. The unfairness of the system, like the number of suffere...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
No, my argument is that prescription charges fly in the face of the principle on which the health service is based—that everybody should get free access to medicine.It is clear from the evidence that the people who are most penalised are just on the borderline of the current e...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
25 Jan 2007
Royal Hospital for Sick Children Edinburgh (Fair Parking)
I add my congratulations to Mike Pringle on securing the debate. One year ago today, the Parliament held the stage 1 debate on my bill to abolish prescription charges—so I had better button up my coat. Today, we are debating the case for other charges for accessing the health ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Committee
01 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
John Swinburne said that this was an enjoyable afternoon, but it has been like a form of torture; it should be outlawed under the United Nations charter on human rights. I feel as if I need a prescription myself.It seems to me—and there now seems to be a wider consensus—that n...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
25 May 2005
Skin Disease
I begin, as did Stewart Stevenson, by congratulating Ken Macintosh on securing the debate. The plight of skin disease sufferers and the number of sufferers is an important topic that is worthy of our attention. As a signatory to the motion, I will concentrate on one aspect of ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I will be brief, convener. I will take two minutes to introduce the paper that I have circulated.The bill is an attempt to ensure that everybody gets the medical treatment that they need. I believe that prescription charges undermine the founding principle on which the nationa...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I am happy to do that, convener. I take issue with your reference to £44 million because, as I said previously, the cost would be substantially less than that. I hesitate to move into territory that is essentially a policy matter for the Executive, which is consideration of wh...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
The actual cost of abolishing prescription charges would be substantially less than £45.4 million. As you can see from the Executive's figures in the financial memorandum, the health service would accrue savings from the administration of the current system of £1.54 million. T...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Indeed, convener.John Reid laid out his intentions for the NHS and I believe that he spoke for many of us when he said:"I will protect the founding principle of the NHS of equal access to healthcare provided free at the point of need … I will never apologise for extending to t...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The issue of cost is clearly central to the debate. I am grateful for the report that the Finance Committee put in front of us to help our deliberations. It is safe to say that we know some things for facts in this debate, but we clearly need to gather more evidence and studie...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
The financial memorandum contains figures on that. Evidence has come to us from a variety of sources, including Citizens Advice Scotland, which published a study called "Unhealthy Charges: CAB evidence on the impact of health charges". It found that as many as 37 per cent of t...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
09 Dec 2004
First Minister's Question Time · Scottish Executive (Priorities)
The top priority for the people of Scotland is the state of our national health service, which they remain concerned about. They are particularly disappointed that the service cannot keep its promise to provide comprehensive free health care to everyone. Given that 75,000 pati...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
19 May 2005
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Free Prescriptions (Chronic Conditions)
Is the minister aware that, last week, the Royal College of Nursing annual congress voted by 93 per cent to campaign for the outright abolition of prescription charges? I am sure that that gives the minister an idea of the strength of feeling on the issue. Is it not time that ...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
That takes us into important territory. When we look at who pays prescription charges, it is largely wrong to suggest that the money comes from better-off people. As I say in my submission, other submissions have made it clear that the people who are most penalised by having t...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I will give you the Welsh figures in a moment, but I point out that the Welsh Government originally took the same approach as the Scottish Executive and sought to extend exemptions instead of to abolish charges. However, when it began to extend exemptions to students in full-t...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It was illustrative that, after our previous evidence session, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain provided a later submission to put some distance between it and the Scottish Pharmaceutical Federation. The royal society was anxious to emphasise that prescription...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the question; it is an interesting area. The first thing that strikes me is that the Welsh took the decision to reduce prescription charges by £1 a year to see what would happen. It is clear that there has been no significant increase in the number of prescriptions t...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
22 Feb 2007
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Prescription Charges (Long-term Conditions)
I am disgusted by the minister's answer. Four years ago, the Executive promised to review NHS prescription charges because it accepted that the current exemption arrangements are not fit for purpose. Thirteen months ago, the minister asked Parliament to reject the Abolition of...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
08 Sep 2004
Scottish Executive's Programme
I referred to one of the many suggestions about how to pay for charges. I am sure that everybody in the chamber is well aware that drug companies make enormous profits from supplying the NHS with drugs.I could put it another way and say that the bill for abolition is just the ...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
21 Mar 2007
Park-and-Ride Sites (South Edinburgh)
As is traditional on these occasions I, too, congratulate Mike Pringle on securing the debate. His motion raises important issues that many of my constituents—not just residents of south Edinburgh, but commuters into the city from further afield—have raised with me. The issue ...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
The first point to stress is that the figure of £45.4 million comes from the Executive. It is important to bear it in mind that the Executive has stated that 92 per cent of prescriptions that are written currently go to people who are exempted from paying the charge, so the £4...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Indeed there is. Considerable evidence is available to the committee to support the contention that denying access to medicines at earlier stages simply brings about greater costs to the health service later. I concentrated on the CAB's evidence because I thought that it provi...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
01 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am conscious that the committee is short of time because the minister is waiting outside, but I have one final question. It seems to me that none of the patient groups would feel particularly happy if patients in the other three groups were among those who were exempt from p...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
01 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am grateful for that clarification because the minister has already told us that the cost of administering the exemption system is £1.54 million. That covers the anti-fraud work and the cost of advertising the system and promoting pre-payment certificates, which, as the GP r...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
01 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am grateful for that. I am sure that everyone present, including Stuart Bain from NHS National Services Scotland, would accept that a fundamental principle is at stake. When the NHS started out, that principle was that if someone was ill, they got treatment. Of course, presc...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You do, of course, accept that tens of thousands of people can afford to pay but do not, however.In the past two and a half years, every time I have asked the Scottish Executive what the cost of abolishing prescription charges would be, the cost has been £44 million. Today, yo...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understand those concerns thoroughly. However, for the same reason as I am not prepared to get into some sick Dutch auction over which chronic conditions should be exempt, I do not want to get into a debate on whether the abolition of prescription charges should be paid for ...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It strikes me that there is little evidence of that happening in Wales. I know that prescription charges have not been abolished in Wales, but they have been significantly reduced from £6.50. In Wales, prescriptions may now cost less than a packet of Nurofen ibuprofen, but the...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
19 Jun 2003
Question Time · National Health Service (Prescription Charges)
I am sure that the minister is aware that the Welsh Assembly has announced plans to abolish prescription charges altogether in Wales, as it concluded that prescription charges meant that the sick paid for being sick. Given that the National Association of Citizens Advice Burea...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
01 Jul 2004
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Prescription Charges
The minister may be aware that my member's bill seeking to abolish prescription charges completed its consultation period yesterday. One of the respondents, the Social Market Foundation, has described the current system as a dog's dinner that lacks all logic. Does he agree wit...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
22 Mar 2007
Scotland in the United Kingdom
The Executive's case for the union consists of three elements, essentially. It says that the union provides political stability, security for Scotland in an uncertain world and continuing economic prosperity. I want to consider those three elements, which the minister has ment...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I do not reject out of hand the idea that there may be increased uptake of the service; to say otherwise would not be a fair reflection of my point of view. Given that charges deter access, I would expect access to increase if the charges were abolished.
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
26 Feb 2004
Question Time · National Health Service (Prescription Charges)
The minister may be aware that my proposal to abolish prescription charges in Scotland is about to go out to consultation. Just 6 per cent of the NHS's drugs bill in Scotland of some £733 million is recovered from charges, yet tens of thousands of patients are deterred by the ...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
25 Jan 2006
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The debate has been interesting and passions have certainly been roused. Members have attempted to throw light on the issues, but there has often been more heat than light, especially from Labour and Liberal members. On the anniversary of the birth of Burns, the Burns words th...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
22 Dec 2004
Congestion Charging Scheme Referenda
I congratulate David McLetchie on securing the debate and I am grateful to the Presiding Officer for allowing me to speak early. I apologise to members because I will not be able to hear all the speeches—I must pick up my son from the nursery.Mr McLetchie suggested that the re...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
04 May 2006
Police and Justice Bill
As a member of the Justice 2 Committee, I support the amendment in the name of the convener, David Davidson. As members can see, it is a two-part amendment and it expresses two specific concerns. First, it expresses concern that persons domiciled in Scotland who face no charge...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I hope that we can focus on the costs of the bill and the savings that will be made—which nobody disputes—in administration, advertising, pre-payment certificates, anti-fraud measures, and so on, which will run to as much as £2 million. Those are real identified savings that t...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The evidence that we heard at the previous meeting provided a very good illustration of that. To its credit, the Executive has proposed bringing pharmacists and specialist nurses into the prescribing regime, which has advantages and represents a good step forward; indeed, I li...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
15 Jan 2004
Question Time · Prescriptions (Terminally Ill People)
Is the minister not playing the role of King Canute, in that he is desperately trying to hold back the tide of public opinion, which believes that the system of charging for prescriptions is both archaic and byzantine? Does he agree that, when a psoriasis sufferer on working f...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
04 Nov 2004
Justice and Law Officers · National Health Service (User Charges)
The minister wrote to me last week and informed me that more than 27,000 people in Scotland who are on benefits are not entitled to free prescriptions. The minister will be aware of reports from Citizens Advice and the Office of Fair Trading, which conclude that because they c...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
There is something in that, provided that we understand that we are talking about the 8 per cent of people who are currently not exempt from charges.
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
I had to hesitate for a moment there.The Executive says that, at the moment, 92 per cent of prescriptions are free. However, my point is that, based on the current criteria, 50 per cent of the population are not exempt from charges, so the 92 per cent comes from the other 50 p...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
29 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The other side of the question is that you said that the purpose of the charging system was to generate co-payments and that those who can afford to pay charges should pay. Can you identify anybody who could pay now, but does not?
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
07 Dec 2006
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Long-term Skin Conditions
Given that patients with long-term skin conditions are among the many patients with chronic conditions who must pay for their prescriptions—currently £6.75 for each item—will the minister tell us whether psoriasis will be included on the list of chronic conditions that will be...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Chamber
18 Jun 2003
Concorde (Museum of Flight)
I congratulate John Home Robertson on securing the debate and am happy to add my support to the motion, along with, as I hear, 49 of my colleagues.I will declare an interest. I am not a pilot, but I take my kids to the museum at East Fortune regularly. It is my favourite museu...
Colin Fox: SSP Chamber
25 Jan 2007
Royal Hospital for Sick Children Edinburgh (Fair Parking)
I am happy to say that I got that figure from SPICe. Perhaps it refers to the whole of Britain. However, if there are charges in five boards, that is five boards too many.A £10 daily charge is clearly a problem for residents in the local schemes who, like me, find it difficult...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
An increase in costs is possible, but it is likely to be marginal.
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
As I said, the evidence from Citizens Advice Scotland and others is based, as far as is possible, on calculations and assumptions relating to the money that would be saved. I have not put in front of the committee, and have not seen, evidence that is categorised in terms of nu...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
That is because the other evidence is contained in the policy memorandum.
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
It is in the policy memorandum, which also circulates with the bill.
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
As I said to Mr Swinney, there will be a marginal increase. The figures that you—
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Yes, the figure is based on lost revenue. In connection with an earlier question, the Welsh Government has not factored in any extra costs for increased uptake in drugs or any savings that it might make. The figures are based on the revenue that it would have accrued from cont...
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Indeed. In the next fortnight the Health Committee will visit Wales to meet the Health Minister there and see up close the situation there. I look forward to its bringing back the figures when it returns.
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Two things strike me. First, the population of Wales is slightly lower than that of Scotland.
Colin Fox: SSP Committee
08 Nov 2005
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
The factor on which we must focus is that the socioeconomic conditions are similar in the Welsh valleys and the central belt of Scotland and people in those areas suffer from chronic conditions that are caused by their similar backgrounds. The figures are comparable.
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP Committee
07 Dec 2004
Proposed Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill
The consultation exercise was driven by the advice that I received from NEBU. The consultation was advertised on Parliament's website and there was quite a lot of press interest in the proposal. A press conference was held and the proposal received extensive coverage in the Da...
← Back to list
Chamber

Plenary, 25 Jan 2006

25 Jan 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Today, I have great pleasure in introducing this stage 1 debate on the Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill. It is a proud moment for me and for the Scottish Socialist Party. I thank those MSPs, particularly in the Green party and the independent group, who were the original sponsors of the bill. I am grateful for the support of all my colleagues in the SSP and the SSP team in Parliament. I am also grateful for the support outside Parliament of the Scottish campaign to remove all prescription charges, whose members are in the public gallery today. I particularly thank David Cullum and Claire Menzies Smith from the non-Executive bills unit, whose efforts have been immense. I express my gratitude for the work of the clerking teams on the Health Committee and the Finance Committee in bringing those committees' reports on the bill before the Parliament. I am particularly pleased that my bill comes before members on the anniversary of Robert Burns's death. It is a significant day.

I am disappointed however that the speech that I prepared yesterday has had to be substantially rewritten in the light of this morning's announcement that the Scottish Executive has conceded many of the arguments that it previously used in the debate about the bill and has announced a raft of new proposals to go out to consultation. It appears to me that, with its new propositions, the Executive has conceded entirely two lines of argument. The first is that only the rich currently pay prescription charges; the second is that the £44.4 million income from prescription charges is vital for the funding of the national health service in Scotland.

In trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat this morning, the Executive has presented us with another rabbit—one that is half-cooked and inedible. In my view, the Executive has shown in its announcement disdain for the Parliament. The bill has been before the Parliament for nearly two and a half years and before the Health Committee for a year, but the Executive waited until just three hours before this debate to come forward with its proposals. I think that that shows disdain for the Parliament and the Health Committee. In addition, as the sponsor of the bill, I did not get to see the Executive's report until two hours ago.

So what is in the report? I must say that it appears to me to be a proposal/consultation document that has been put together very quickly. It tries to replace one dog's dinner with another, with the ability-to-pay approach contradicted throughout. The Executive puts in question the continuing exemption of the over-60s, which it says is anomalous with its proposals. In effect, the Executive proposes to consult exactly the same people who were consulted on my bill and exactly the same people who were consulted on the Health Committee's proposals. The Executive gives with one hand and takes away with the other.

I will focus my remarks on the case for the abolition of prescription charges in principle. Martin Luther King was fond of borrowing a saying of the Scottish author, Thomas Carlyle:

"No lie can last forever."

King used that in the context of the civil rights struggle in America to highlight the way in which millions of African-Americans were being denied equality under the law.

For me, prescription charges are a lie that will not last forever. They show that medical justice and equal access to health care are denied to people in Scotland today, irrespective of their class, background or income. The founding principle of the national health service was universal free health care, paid for out of people's taxes. The NHS's high ideals have been compromised by prescription charges.

The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care told us at the Health Committee that prescription charges represent a co-payment contract between patients and the NHS. I have to say that there is no concept of co-payment in the founding principles of the NHS—that should be made clear. The Parliament has the opportunity today to make a profound and very welcome difference to the lives of the 2.5 million Scots who currently do not qualify for free prescriptions. That statistic alone should lay to rest any claims that members would like to make in this debate that the rich alone pay for prescriptions.

The bill concerns the kind of improvement that the people of Scotland wanted from the Parliament when they set it up. In the most recent test of public opinion, 82 per cent of Scots supported the abolition of prescription charges because they see that the charges deny poor people the medicines that they need. That conclusion is based not on sentiment but on hard facts and sound reason. The Wanless report, which was commissioned by Her Majesty's Treasury to consider all the available international evidence, concluded that every 10 per cent increase in health charges leads to a 3 per cent fall in the numbers taking up that care.

It is telling that, as the first part of its consultation, the Scottish Executive's review examined all the available international research literature. That review was completed seven months ago, yet the Executive still refuses to publish it. Why could that be? Could it be because all the studies conclude that prescription charges act as a disincentive to accessing health care and the Scottish Executive wants to avoid the conclusion that the Health Committee and others have drawn? The evidence from the National Consumer Council, Citizens Advice Scotland, the Social Market Foundation and the King's Fund is that the current system of prescription charges is a complete dog's dinner and lacks any basis in fairness or logic.

The bill that is before the Parliament today has the backing of the Health Committee. That committee heard not one piece of evidence backing the status quo. However, the Executive has rejected the committee's working conclusions. I have to say that the Executive gave a slap in the face to the committee system of this Parliament when it delivered its verdict. For the first time, it has rejected the positive recommendation of a lead committee.

The Health Committee recommended the bill because it accepts that the current system is an indefensible dog's dinner. Everyone over 60 is exempt, irrespective of income. Every pregnant woman, new mother and patient with diabetes, epilepsy or an underactive thyroid gets free prescriptions, regardless of income. At the same time, however, only some people on state benefits qualify for free prescriptions.

The reality is that the Queen gets free prescriptions while people on disability living allowance do not. Some 30 members of this Parliament get free prescriptions but people on incapacity benefit do not. J K Rowling, as a new mum, gets free prescriptions, but a low-paid woman worker in the Scottish Parliament must pay in full. That is the reality of the dog's dinner of a system that currently exists.

The Scottish Executive argues that, since 92 per cent of prescriptions go to people who are exempt, only the well-off pay. Unfortunately, however, that picture is simply not supported by the facts. Some 75 per cent of all prescriptions are repeat prescriptions, mostly for people over 60. The reality is that half the population of this country are not entitled to free prescriptions at the moment. That means that the exemption could be extended to 2.5 million people for a small sum of money. We might expect the Executive to say, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth," yet it looks the other way and decides that it does not want 100 per cent exemption, saying that it prefers to target the benefit. The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care is nodding. He is quite right to nod. However, all the evidence shows that the system is about as effective at targeting as poor old Charlie Kennedy was when he tried to bowl those balls in that old people's home. It is precisely the abject failure of targeting that means that those who need the benefit the most—such as 300,000 people on disability living allowance, 219,000 people on incapacity benefit and 850,000 low-paid people—are left behind. That is the reality of targeting and it is why the current system of targeting was not attractive to any of the witnesses who came before the Health Committee.

However, the Executive goes further and says, "We want to bring forward proposals to increase the number of sufferers of chronic conditions who will be exempt," and that it intends to introduce exemptions for as yet unspecified chronic conditions, pointing out that the list of chronic conditions has not been changed since 1968 and is, therefore, worthy of review. The fact of the matter is that the list of chronic conditions has been looked at 13 times since 1968. Every review concluded that we should leave well alone, because it is a Pandora's box. The National Assembly for Wales decided that it was

"not practically possible to rank chronic conditions in terms of clinical need for medication."

In other words, all chronic conditions should be covered, or none. That is the reality of the sheer folly of the Executive's suggestion of ranking the suffering of cancer patients against that of asthmatics, or the suffering of people with Parkinson's disease against that of people with cystic fibrosis or Crohn's disease. What an unattractive proposition.

The second, and perhaps weakest, argument from the Scottish Executive is that abolition of prescription charges would lose the national health service £45 million of vital income and lead to cuts elsewhere. That raises two questions. Who pays the £45 million and where does it come from? As I have already illustrated, it comes from people who can ill afford to pay those charges. It comes from the 300,000 people who are on disability living allowance, from people on incapacity benefit and from the 850,000 people who are on low pay. They are the people who run the risk of not getting the treatment that they need.

The Executive says that the £45 million could not be absorbed into the budget and would lead to cuts elsewhere. Let us look at the evidence: £45 million represents 0.5 per cent of the national health service budget in Scotland. In Scotland, 99.5 per cent of the NHS's income comes from taxes, but it is the 0.5 per cent that comes from prescription charges that we cannot do without. The NHS's income is £9,000 million a year, but £45 million cannot be absorbed. I remind the minister of the background: the United Kingdom Department of Health at Westminster pledged a 7 per cent increase in health expenditure year by year until 2009. That gives the real context of the £45 million.

Two years ago, the former Secretary of State for Health, John Reid, renegotiated—to his credit, and I applaud him for it—the contract between the drugs companies and the national health service to the advantage of the service of £1.8 billion over the next five years. The financial claims of the Scottish Executive in the matter are just not credible.

The evidence in front of us today makes it absolutely clear that there would be savings for the national health service from the abolition of prescription charges: the £2 million that it costs to run the system. I see that the minister is now nodding in agreement after shaking his head; it always pays to listen to the end of a sentence. It is also clear that other parts of the national health service must pick up the tab for those who are denied their prescriptions. If they present themselves at hospital, the cost is £1,800 a week for a stay in a general hospital or £7,000 a week for a stay in a high-dependency or intensive care unit. That is the reality of people going without prescriptions. Considerable savings are to be made from the £45 million.

Finally, I want to touch on the party politicking that is going on in the chamber on the question of prescription charges. Scottish Socialist Party policy is to support the abolition of prescription charges and to support the bill, and that is the position of the Greens and the Scottish National Party. The Liberal Democrats will go into the 2007 Holyrood election calling for the abolition of prescription charges, but they will not vote for it today. The Labour Party policy in Wales was to abolish prescription charges, which, much to its credit, it did in 2003. However, the Labour Party in Scotland refuses to abolish charges—it hasnae got the bottle.

Some cynics have suggested that Labour would back the bill if it had come from a Labour member, but I could not possibly comment. Labour MSPs intend to vote against the bill, while the Labour Party in Wales championed the abolition of prescription charges. The Scottish Executive offers vague propositions in a consultation that begins today, yet there is a bill before the Parliament that would abolish prescription charges and introduce fairness and equality in the national health service. That is the choice for Labour back benchers. Members should support the bill, which I have pleasure in commending to the Parliament.

I move,

That the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-3808, in the name of Colin Fox, that the Parliament agrees the general principles of the Abolition of NHS...
Colin Fox (Lothians) (SSP): SSP
Today, I have great pleasure in introducing this stage 1 debate on the Abolition of NHS Prescription Charges (Scotland) Bill. It is a proud moment for me and...
The Minister for Health and Community Care (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab
My opening line was to be: "Colin Fox has just outlined the rationale for his bill." However, I may have to rewrite that part of my speech, because he did no...
Colin Fox: SSP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Mr Kerr: Lab
No, I will not.Fewer than half the countries that were surveyed exempt fully people with certain medical conditions, while three of the 16 have no concession...
Colin Fox: SSP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am sorry to interrupt the minister, but he is referring to a review that the Scottish Executive has carried out but...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
That is more of a debating point. I think that the minister wishes to respond to it.
Mr Kerr: Lab
The findings are summarised in the consultation document, but I am more than happy to provide Mr Fox with a full copy of the review, if he wants it.Let us re...
Carolyn Leckie (Central Scotland) (SSP) rose— SSP
Mr Kerr: Lab
That is why we want to consider extending the existing exemption arrangements for people on low incomes and for those in full-time education and training and...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP): SNP
Given that the minister says that he is presenting evidence to us and that he has known about it for eight months, I respectfully ask why that evidence was n...
Mr Kerr: Lab
Lewis Macdonald has reminded me that the Executive stated clearly its position to the committee on every point. Let me look at where we agree with the commit...
Carolyn Leckie rose— SSP
Mr Kerr: Lab
The committee said that the bill would "provide financial benefits to those on higher incomes who … can afford to pay for prescriptions".We agree. It said th...
Carolyn Leckie rose— SSP
Mr Kerr: Lab
The bill is not good for the NHS; it would take services from the poor and give those services to the benefit of the rich. The committee said that the bill w...
Carolyn Leckie: SSP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Mr Kerr: Lab
Its conclusion was that the most equitable solution is to "abolish prescription charges entirely." We do not agree with that point.
Carolyn Leckie: SSP
Fantastic. At last. If the minister agrees with so much of the bill, and given that no other bill that has come before the Parliament with committee approval...
Mr Kerr: Lab
I will tell Ms Leckie why. We believe that the bill would be unfair on the NHS and unfair on the patients. In effect, it would rob the poor and the unwell to...
Shona Robison (Dundee East) (SNP): SNP
Today, we have yet another example of the Executive's disrespect for the Parliament. After a two-year delay in moving forward with the reform of prescription...
The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Lewis Macdonald) rose— Lab
Shona Robison: SNP
If the minister would like to defend his position, he is welcome to do so.
Lewis Macdonald: Lab
I am sure that Shona Robison, having been present at the Health Committee, will accept that the committee asked that we bring forward this consultation at th...
Shona Robison: SNP
It is a pity that the minister said that he did not have any information to give to the Health Committee when he appeared in front of it. He clearly had the ...
Lewis Macdonald: Lab
Shona Robison is presenting the abolition of prescription charges as her party's position. Has she estimated the cost of that policy?
Shona Robison: SNP
I will come to that, because I am about to move on to the key objections to the bill. Cost is cited as one of those. I would never argue that the cost of abo...
John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP): SSCUP
Does Shona Robison agree with my interpretation of the consultation document, which is that it will lead to pensioners being means tested to obtain prescript...
Shona Robison: SNP
There is a real danger of that.Where there is a political will, resources can be found. The Executive has shown that by finding £295 million over three years...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD
Does Shona Robison agree that the analogy for free eye and dental checks is the free visit to the GP? We did not scrap the cost of glasses or anything else t...