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Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
16 Sep 2020
Sustainable Aviation beyond Covid-19
Thank you, Presiding Officer; I am happy to accept any apology for that comment. I also thank you for your recognition that working from home, where we can do so, remains the default. I am happy to take part in the debate on those terms. I am grateful to Colin Smyth for bringi...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
16 Sep 2020
Sustainable Aviation beyond Covid-19
I begin with some points of agreement. The furlough scheme has had a critical role in protecting jobs, and even if it is ended in general—which I do not welcome—specific sectors need continued support. I hope that even the strongest critic of the aviation industry wants that s...
Patrick Harvie: Green Chamber
24 Jun 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
During stage 1, the committee heard clear evidence—albeit that there was a range of views, there was broad agreement on the principle—that aviation and shipping emissions should be included in the bill. It was also agreed that aviation emissions have a disproportionate impact ...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
17 May 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The amendments in this group are the only substantial policy proposal that I am making, so I hope that it is all right if I spend a few minutes setting out the rationale for them. I have written far too much, but I promise to try to skip through some of it to save time. As I ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green): Green Chamber
10 Dec 2009
Climate Change
I am sure that the Parliament will, as the minister has called on us to do, endorse the motion that he has moved. I do not disagree with a word of it, and I agree with and welcome much of what he said in his speech.However, I lodged my amendment because there is an important q...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
20 Nov 2012
Air Passenger Duty
It is possible that small-scale use of locally sourced biofuels can be close to carbon zero, but I think that the member knows very well that the industrial-scale production of biofuels brings with it a host of other environmental problems, as well as not in fact being carbon ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
03 Jun 2014
Air Passenger Duty
What we can see from European airlines is clearly a large percentage increase from £240 million to £300 million and then to £1.67 billion in 2014. The industry is clearly still expanding and is highly profitable, and it enjoys massive tax breaks. That is my starting point, and...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
25 Apr 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I echo the thanks of Bruce Crawford to our committee colleagues, the clerking team and support staff, and the witnesses during our stage 1 inquiry. I did not expect to like this bill. I imagine that the cabinet secretary did not really expect me to like it, either. A few thin...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
20 May 2010
High-speed Rail
Stewart Stevenson began the debate by referring to the Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee’s report on the potential—that is a key word—benefits of high-speed rail. I went in to that inquiry a little more sceptical than I was when I came out of it.I wondered...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
22 Apr 2015
Marine Energy
Neil Kermode made a comparison with aviation. You said that the urgency was there for early aviation but that war had been an imperative that spurred the development of the early aviation industry. You talked about the urgency of climate change, which is clearly understood. Ho...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
09 Feb 2017
First Minister’s Question Time · Cabinet (Meetings)
The aviation industry claims to have an aim of halving its CO2 emissions by 2050, compared with 2005 levels. The United Kingdom Climate Change Committee, which is the Scottish Government’s chosen adviser on climate change, has ruled that aviation emissions should be no higher ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
27 Apr 2017
First Minister’s Question Time · Cabinet (Meetings)
Indeed, the vote this week was not on rates and bands. The Green Party will move amendments to introduce some social and environmental principles into the legislation, and we will not vote for it unless those amendments are agreed to. The First Minister cites the UK Committ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
08 May 2019
Air Departure Tax
I have had many opportunities to speak in the chamber against an aviation tax cut, before and since the devolution of such powers were, theoretically, agreed. The policy has clearly been dead for quite some time now, and I am delighted to finally have the chance to speak in a ...
The Convener: Green Committee
06 Jan 2009
National Planning Framework
I have a couple of further questions on your comments on aviation. You said that, given some of the ambiguities around the inclusion of strategic airport enhancements as national developments under the NPF, it is likely that allowing such developments to go ahead will lead to ...
The Convener: Green Committee
05 May 2009
Sustainable Development
The executive summary of the review says:"the Commission has concerns about Government policy on aviation."The commission notes that the national planning framework supports expansion in aviation and says that it"firmly believes that Government lacks the necessary robust data ...
The Convener: Green Committee
26 May 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 58, in my name, is grouped with amendments 11, 11A and 103.Amendment 58 seeks to enact the committee's broad acceptance that the inclusion of aviation and shipping emissions in the framework should be a requirement rather than merely a possibility that the Government...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green): Green Chamber
06 Mar 2008
First Minister's Question Time · Airports
I am sure that every member is aware that scientists have said that emissions from the aviation sector have a far more damaging impact on climate change than emissions from ground-based industries. Does the First Minister accept that if we allow the aviation industry to expand...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
20 Nov 2012
Air Passenger Duty
It is not usually Willie Rennie who sets my colleagues in the Green parliamentary office to scrabble for their pens and buzzword bingo sheets, but his repeated references to “shovel-ready projects” will have had them very excited. When the Parliament first agreed in principle ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
20 Nov 2012
Air Passenger Duty
My amendment makes it clear that the use of APD or other financial or other methods should be about reducing demand, not simply about achieving a short-term change such as replacing short-haul with long-haul flights.Others have suggested that it is unfair to charge people the ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
20 Nov 2012
Air Passenger Duty
Malcolm Chisholm correctly separated out two issues: one concerns whether the tax or duty should be devolved and the other is about what to do with that power. I would like to reassure Brian Adam, who argued that it was absurd for environmentalists to raise a climate change ar...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
20 Nov 2012
Air Passenger Duty
Alex Johnstone articulated the ambiguity of that environmental argument in his opening speech. I have been quite astonished by the number of members who do not seem to understand that there are such things as trains to London or Manchester, which allow people to change to an a...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
01 Mar 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry, but I asked quite a specific question. The statement is that the energy modelling system assesses “how effort is best shared across sectors of the economy.” I am asking whether the Scottish Government has a view about what share of that effort should fall to the ...
The Convener: Green Committee
27 Jan 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Will the witnesses say a little more about the contribution that aviation emissions make to climate change? Beyond the volume of greenhouse gases that are emitted from aviation, a number of different multipliers are used to determine the impact of aviation on the climate and o...
The Convener: Green Committee
10 Feb 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Gordon Dewar said clearly that people should continue to have a choice, even if there are high-speed rail alternatives at some point in the future. He also said that he expects the aviation industry to grow. We all understand that such growth will not necessarily be matched by...
The Convener: Green Committee
10 Feb 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Aviation and shipping—particularly aviation—tend to get singled out for attention in the climate change agenda, sometimes by me but also by high-profile direct action activists and by a number of people who have debated the UK bill. The previous panel of witnesses might argue ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green): Green Chamber
16 Sep 2004
Growing Scotland's Economy
I want to relate a little anecdote from the European elections, which took place earlier this year. At most of the hustings that I attended and in most of the media coverage that I saw, whenever the economy was mentioned, every party bar the Greens talked about the need for GD...
Patrick Harvie: Green Chamber
27 Jun 2007
Transport
I am happy to do that. Mr McNulty is simply misinformed. We do not have a fundamental objection to public transport routes to airports. In fact, we supported the Glasgow airport rail link, albeit that we did so with not a great deal of enthusiasm, but we came down in favour of...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green): Green Chamber
22 Apr 2009
High-speed Rail Services
In speaking to the motion and committee report, I begin, as is traditional, by thanking my committee colleagues who contributed to our work, the various witnesses who gave us evidence both written and in person, and the clerking team who supported us in producing the report.Th...
Patrick Harvie: Green Chamber
06 May 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
From a global leadership point of view, the jurisdiction that I would cite is the tiny and vulnerable Maldives, which is not waiting for 2050 or 2030, or for global action. Its ambition is to be carbon neutral in 10 years. If any country in the world could be forgiven for sayi...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green): Green Chamber
10 Dec 2009
First Minister's Question Time · Greenhouse Gas Emissions
I think that everyone acknowledges that setting targets is the easy bit—taking the action will be far more challenging. Is the First Minister aware of the UK Committee on Climate Change's report, "Meeting the UK aviation target: options for reducing emissions to 2050", which w...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
27 May 2010
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
I apologise for that short delay. Members will be relieved to know that I will vote for at least two of the motions on Scottish statutory instruments on climate change that the Government will move tonight. There is no disagreement with the provisions on carbon accounting and ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
27 May 2010
Parliamentary Bureau Motions
Thank you, Presiding Officer.The reality is that emissions from the aviation sector in Scotland have grown over the years since 1990, which is the baseline for all our targets. By 2007, emissions had grown by some 146 per cent, to 3.5 million tonnes. In 1990, emissions from th...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
20 Nov 2012
Air Passenger Duty
That is certainly not the argument that I made, and my amendment does not endorse the specific formulation of APD. It talks about how APD should be used to restrain growth.Alison Johnstone mentioned the tourism deficit. The Government’s figures, which were calculated in 2005, ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
19 Jun 2014
Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Question Time · Environmental Targets
I congratulate the corporate body on the progress that has been achieved. Bees manage to achieve aviation quite sustainably; unfortunately, Parliament continues to use short-haul aviation within the UK, despite the presence of a very affordable rail service. Is that issue unde...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
03 Jun 2014
Air Passenger Duty
If we stop raising a tax, less income will come to the public budget, so cuts will be have to made somewhere. To answer the question of whether cutting, or even abolishing, air passenger duty is a good idea, we have to begin with an acknowledgement that the aviation industry ...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
27 Oct 2016
First Minister’s Question Time · Cabinet (Meetings)
The argument about connections to more destinations would make sense if those connections were going to be instead of more short-haul aviation, but the Scottish Government’s approach shows that it wants more of both. As for the job creation figures, they are entirely spurious....
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
01 Feb 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to follow up the climate change questions, because I do not think that we needed to throw quite such a soft ball. The UK Committee on Climate Change, which of course has a formal role in advising the Scottish Government on climate change under the Climate Change (Scotl...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
01 Feb 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I can deal with climate change now if you like, convener. First, I will follow up one issue in your written submission, Mr Horne, because I want to understand clearly the implications of what you are saying. You say that, as a business, you have no objection to increased inter...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
01 Feb 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As far as I can see, the most recent commitment from the aviation industry was given in 2009 and was a commitment, given in international negotiations, to halve CO2 emissions—I assume that that means its overall climate change impact—by 2050. Can the aviation industry repre...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
08 Feb 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Okay. Perhaps we could make a comparison with countries that are introducing or reintroducing aviation taxes, such as Sweden and Norway. Both Sweden and Norway have concluded that there will be a net benefit to the public purse from the introduction of aviation taxes. A recent...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
08 Feb 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have not been convinced that the Scottish Government or anybody else is giving us a clear indication of what the environmental impact of the policy will be, either. The Scottish Government does not appear to have made a decision yet on whether it supports stabilising aviatio...
Patrick Harvie Green Committee
22 Feb 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes, the airports certainly say that they are having a whale of a time and are growing massively. The one thing that the Government’s climate action plan says about aviation is that “We might expect to see a 15 per cent improvement in the efficiency of new aircraft by 2035”. ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Committee
17 May 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning, cabinet secretary. I understand the idea of broadly following the exemptions that are in the current tax regime. However, deciding what level or nature of exemptions ought to be applied surely demands that first we know what the purpose of the tax is. That seems ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Chamber
20 Jun 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill
The debate on the bill is—as it has been throughout the process—characterised by a number of contradictions. The advocates of the Scottish Government’s position look at the rising levels of aviation that our airports continually trumpet and celebrate, yet they say that the tax...
Patrick Harvie Green Chamber
19 Mar 2019
Scottish Tourism Month 2019
I apologise if I misunderstood the point. We have a commitment that what will be consulted on will be a locally determined tax, and I look forward to the Government continuing to commit to that. Other, longer-term challenges that Scotland will have to face include the diversi...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green Committee
20 Aug 2020
Tourism (Impact of Covid-19)
Good morning. As the convener said at the start of the meeting, I am substituting for a colleague and I am not a long-term member of the committee. In the previous session of the Parliament, I was a member of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, and I remember many conve...
The Convener: Green Committee
04 Dec 2007
Climate Change Bill
My final question on targets is about what they should include. Rob Gibson mentioned the difference between the 60 per cent target that is currently proposed at the UK level—albeit that may change—and the 80 per cent target that is being talked about for Scotland. There is als...
The Convener: Green Committee
04 Dec 2007
Climate Change Bill
I take the point about whether and how aviation and shipping emissions will be included in the trading mechanism. However, if we agree to the LCM but the UK Government legislates in a way that does not include aviation and shipping in its targets, will that preclude the Scotti...
The Convener: Green Committee
05 Feb 2008
Climate Change
I want to spend a few minutes just on the issue of aviation and shipping emissions. Some people have argued that a long-term target for reducing carbon emissions except for aviation and shipping is like going on a diet except for pies. How would you respond to that?
The Convener: Green Committee
05 Feb 2008
Climate Change
We certainly do not have the power to replace the engines of the entire fleet with turboprops. I am not sure that that would be viable, anyway. However, one of the powers that we do have relates to the national planning framework. At the moment, that includes specific developm...
The Convener: Green Committee
05 Feb 2008
Climate Change
Let me make the comparison with road traffic. Road vehicles have become dramatically more energy efficient over the decades, and attempts to build more capacity have not reduced congestion. We have seen continued congestion problems because the road traffic levels have increas...
The Convener: Green Committee
24 Jun 2008
Rail Services Inquiry
Sounds of jubilation—marvellous. I am sorry that you have to put up with our company so much, Rob.We have apologies from Shirley-Anne Somerville. Alasdair Allan is expected to attend as her substitute. I remind members and everybody present that mobile phones and devices of al...
The Convener: Green Committee
28 Oct 2008
Budget Process 2009-10
Roger Levett raised the issue of aviation. The Scottish Government intends to include aviation and shipping in its legislative targets, and it seems that Westminster will today agree an amendment to do the same with its legislation. Does the panel agree that the alleged comple...
The Convener: Green Committee
18 Nov 2008
High-speed Rail Services Inquiry
I have a supplementary question, although it is not on nuclear power—we will open several other cans of radioactive worms in relation to that.The witnesses make points about environmental benefits, decarbonising transport and weaning ourselves off fossil fuels. Do you agree th...
The Convener: Green Committee
16 Dec 2008
High-speed Rail Services Inquiry
My brain works that way already. Even given the existing services and prices, I far prefer to take the train than go through the rigmarole that you described, but many people disagree. Unless we are willing to squeeze aviation, what is the guarantee that we will have less avia...
The Convener: Green Committee
20 Jan 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to check up on one last detail, which is about the stated intention to introduce an order to include aviation and shipping emissions in the first batch of targets. Is it intended to include aviation and shipping emissions fully in all the targets in the first batch, rat...
The Convener: Green Committee
03 Feb 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to pick up on the issue of the multiplier in relation to aviation emissions. You say that everyone agrees that the multiplier is not 1—I assume that you mean that it is greater than 1, not less than 1—and that the UK uses 1.9 or whatever as a cautious estimate. Would it...
Patrick Harvie: Green Chamber
21 Jun 2006
Glasgow Airport Rail Link Bill: Preliminary Stage
I will discuss that in a moment.It seems that image is the Executive's priority; some of the minister's speech reinforced that. The first issue of substance that the minister addressed was Scotland's international image and the idea that tourists who arrive at Glasgow airport ...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green): Green Chamber
29 Nov 2006
Glasgow Airport Rail Link Bill: Final Stage
The position that I will put forward is similar to Charlie Gordon's, albeit for very different reasons. Before I do that, I echo members' congratulations to the committee on its thorough scrutiny of the bill.The last time we debated this issue in the chamber, I gave GARL a cau...
Patrick Harvie: Green Chamber
13 Jun 2007
Greener Scotland
I have made it clear that if the SNP wants a budget to be passed it must produce one that will gain the genuine support of the majority of members in the chamber. For me, such a budget would include those transport projects.Mike Rumbles knows now, because I have pointed it out...
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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 16 September 2020

16 Sep 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Sustainable Aviation beyond Covid-19

Thank you, Presiding Officer; I am happy to accept any apology for that comment. I also thank you for your recognition that working from home, where we can do so, remains the default. I am happy to take part in the debate on those terms. I am grateful to Colin Smyth for bringing the debate before Parliament.

The impact of job losses to date has been significant and devastating for many people, and many more people live with uncertainty about what lies ahead. Economic change is always disruptive, whatever the cause, and we want to minimise the harm that results. We need to plan properly and use the powerful role of the state to support people and communities, instead of abandoning them to market forces. The urgent need for a just transition plan for aviation should be clear, and that need existed before Covid. There is a tragically long track record of talk about transition, but without action.

The Greens have made the case for a just transition in relation to open-cast coal, Longannet, Grangemouth, Hunterston, Mossmorran and the whole fossil fuel industry. Transition is needed where current economic or industrial patterns are unsustainable and have to change, but it is also important to be clear about what transition means and what we are transitioning to. What does “Sustainable Aviation Beyond COVID”, which is the title of the motion, mean? Fundamentally, it must involve a recognition that, before Covid, aviation growth went too far. I draw members’ attention to the Aviation Environment Federation and Transform Scotland briefing, which sets out clearly that

“Transport is the biggest problem for tackling climate change, and aviation is the most polluting form of transport.”

It says that

“Transport is now Scotland’s largest source of climate emissions ... and one where there has been no progress since 1990”

and that, although the aviation industry has set itself a theoretical target of net zero,

“there is ... no policy mechanism for holding it to account to deliver this.”

There is no rational basis for having confidence that the target can be met with pre-Covid aviation levels. Put simply, if we want to cut aviation emissions—which we must—we need fewer flights than the pre-Covid norm.

The Scottish Government has had long-standing support for new routes; regular motions come from Government back benchers to celebrate growing flight numbers at airports; and, when the airport passenger duty commitment was shelved on the grounds of climate change, the Scottish Government continued with other policies that were designed to achieve aviation growth. Then came the 2019 election and the Channel 4 climate debate, in which the First Minister made a personal acknowledgment of the need to fly less. That was a first. It clearly did not mean the collapse in aviation that Covid brought about—no one predicted that back in November last year—but it was a recognition that the pre-Covid level of aviation needed to be reduced.

For unexpected reasons, we find ourselves once again seeing immense harm being caused because we had no transition plan in place for an industry that needed to contract. Such a plan would clearly have struggled to cope with the events of this year, but it would have given us a stronger starting point. Colin Smyth is absolutely right that what we have seen in recent months is very far from a just transition, but we should not aim to rebuild aviation without such a transition plan.

We do not yet have any policies in place to support investment in new sustainable jobs in communities that have relied on aviation, or to limit the regrowth of aviation to a sustainable level below pre-Covid levels. We do not even have a sense from the Scottish Government of what that safe level should be, and we cannot afford to let that question drift.

Jet fuel consumption in Europe crashed to 5 per cent of 2019 levels by April. Now, it is back to more than 30 per cent. In China, it has returned to more than 60 per cent. It is not only reasonable but urgent to ask how far that figure should go. The latest research suggests that, due to radiative forcing, the climate impact of aviation is about three times that of the emissions alone. The Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 recognised that and called for an appropriate multiplier to be set, but the Scottish Government set that multiplier at 1—in other words, parity.

On Covid testing at airports, I am happy for the quarantine system to be kept under continual review. Testing might well have a role to play, but we must focus on the need to control the virus and aim to achieve the greatest public health benefit.

Other aviation issues, such as flight path reviews, have also been impacted by Covid. A clear plan from Government and the industry to manage demand would take the threat of flight path expansion off the table for hundreds of thousands of people who live around Edinburgh airport and others. It would also allow a proper consultation to take place to accommodate any technical changes that are needed for flight paths, instead of using modernisation as an excuse to push through increased capacity.

None of the other parties is yet willing to acknowledge in the debate the fundamental reality that there must be limits to aviation. A return to business as usual and pre-Covid aviation levels would be unacceptable. That is why I cannot support the motion or the Government and Conservative amendments.

I move amendment S5M-22711.2, to leave out from “in continuing” to end and insert:

“and on the industry’s workforce; recognises the role of aviation, and in particular its importance to Scotland’s remote and islands’ communities, but accepts that pre-COVID aviation levels are unsustainable; notes that, after previously supporting policies designed to increase aviation growth, the First Minister publicly stated in November 2019 that flying less is part of her personal response to the climate emergency; expresses concern at the risk of further widespread job losses in aviation and in connected sectors in the absence of a just transition plan for the industry; believes that such a plan must include measures to ensure that the regrowth of aviation is kept below pre-COVID levels, and to invest in new sustainable jobs with a focus on communities, which have been heavily reliant on the aviation industry; calls on the Scottish Government to work with the environment movement to establish safe and sustainable levels of aviation that are consistent with the necessary reduction in greenhouse gas emissions; believes that the quarantine system for international travel must be designed around public health objectives, and urges the Scottish Government to examine the approach to quarantine being used by countries showing the greatest success at controlling COVID infection rates.”

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