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Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Chamber
08 Jun 2006
Regulatory Framework
Some—although perhaps not all—members know that subordinate legislation is not used in every legislature. In fact, some of our European colleagues are shocked that we give ministers powers to make rules and regulations that implement primary legislation without any effective s...
Christine May: Lab Chamber
08 Jun 2006
Regulatory Framework
Well, I notice that he is dressed in furry lining and anorak colours today. Is that deliberate for such a technical discussion? I withdraw that question. It is a wonderful suit.We should simplify the system and make it particular to Scotland—but do so while acknowledging that ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
22 Feb 2005
Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will not go over the points that Richard Baker made because, by and large, I agree with them. I speak in opposition to Fiona Hyslop amendments in the group, largely because of the assurances that the minister has given. When the Subordinate Legislation Committee, of which I ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
09 Sep 2003
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
It is right that there should be special measures in such a sensitive area as the protection of vulnerable witnesses. I welcome the proposal that such measures should be considered by the full Parliament. The Executive has left provision for additional procedures to be drawn u...
Christine May: Lab Committee
25 Nov 2003
Proposed Regulatory <br />Framework Inquiry
The technical aspects of legislation rarely set the heather on fire; regulation annoys most people, if they show an interest in it at all. Nevertheless, I take it that the committee is willing to go through what the Parliament has to do to make things work in Scotland, with a ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
10 Feb 2004
Instruments Subject to Annulment
I wish to reinforce the last of those points:"why the Order was not accompanied by a copy of the relevant EC legislation."The issue of transposition notes has come up in the committee over and over again. The order concerns a contentious matter, so it might be expected that th...
Christine May: Lab Committee
04 Oct 2006
Planning etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am grateful to committee members and to the minister for their helpful comments. Archaeology includes recent things, such as buildings, but buildings are already covered. Those that are not currently listed could be covered by the register that I am proposing, but it is inte...
Christine May: Lab Committee
02 Sep 2003
Subordinate Legislation
The Subordinate Legislation Committee's views are reflected accurately in the paper. I recall the debate, and although it might seem academic—if that is not too much of a pun—the situation can be confusing, when internet searches are being conducted for establishments, if peop...
Christine May: Lab Committee
09 Mar 2004
Subordinate Legislation
Is the Scottish legislation the same as the UK legislation?
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Committee
21 Sep 2004
Subordinate Legislation
As the only member present who is a member of the Subordinate Legislation Committee, let me say that although that committee raised no issues on the two SSIs that we are considering today, the timing matter that Mr Watson has raised has come up in the committee time and again....
Christine May: Lab Committee
30 Nov 2004
Subordinate Legislation
I do not know the procedure for liaison between committees—for example, for the Subordinate Legislation Committee clerk to pass information and the committee's report to the lead committee. The Subordinate Legislation Committee agrees reports to the lead committees, but we do ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
01 Mar 2005
Subordinate Legislation
I would probably be failing in my duty to the Subordinate Legislation Committee if I did not draw to the attention of the Enterprise and Culture Committee the fact that a minor problem with the drafting was identified. Rather than withdraw the draft order, ministers have agree...
Christine May: Lab Committee
05 Sep 2006
Subordinate Legislation
I have a question. I recall the process starting when I was on the Subordinate Legislation Committee. Can you confirm that, with the amendment regulations, we are in line with European human rights legislation and all the other statutes?
Christine May: Lab Committee
07 Feb 2007
Petitions
Good morning, gentlemen. You will be aware that I represent Central Fife and that the proposed location of STS transfers falls in my constituency. You will probably also be aware of the very real frustration among many in the community—we heard it expressed by the first panel ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
25 Nov 2003
Proposed Regulatory <br />Framework Inquiry
The first question is whether we should hold a single, large inquiry with a number of parts, one of which leads to the next. I think that that makes sense. The second question is whether we should start that reasonably soon. I think that we should, because it is evident from t...
Christine May: Lab Committee
09 Dec 2003
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
The Executive says that it does not wish to burden us with legislation, but our primary function as a Parliament is to legislate. I want to say to the Executive, "Burden us, please. That is what we are supposed to do." I do not like to disagree with Alasdair Morgan, but I thin...
Christine May: Lab Committee
25 May 2004
Regulatory Framework Inquiry
Perhaps I could give some overall impressions rather than speak specifically to the report. Unlike Alasdair Morgan, I have no experience of Westminster. What struck me was how diffuse the scrutiny system for subordinate legislation is; it is spread over a number of bodies.As t...
Christine May: Lab Committee
01 Jun 2004
Instruments Subject <br />to Annulment
We will have to do both because we are obliged to comment on the legislation as it is presented to us, regardless of whether or not the Executive takes on board our request to revisit the legislation. However, as well as those general points, are we going to raise the specific...
Christine May: Lab Committee
14 Dec 2004
Instruments Subject <br />to Annulment
Although this might not be a point of substance, it is at least interesting to note that the United Kingdom legislation requires the affirmative procedure to be used, and it is being proposed here that the negative procedure be used. It is reasonable to ask why the negative pr...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Committee
25 Jan 2005
Regulatory Framework Inquiry
The Faculty of Advocates mentions in its submission that it is concerned that to have legislation amended by virtue of changing the text but not necessarily referring back to the original text or showing at the end what the amended text looks like is not good practice. I would...
Christine May: Lab Committee
25 Jan 2005
Regulatory Framework Inquiry
I turn to subordinate legislation. I suspect that I know the answer to this, but would you recommend that there should be a rule on the number of times that subordinate legislation should be amended before consolidation? Would you like to set a figure on that?
Christine May (Oldest Committee Member Present): Lab Committee
01 Mar 2005
Scottish Parliament<br />Subordinate Legislation Committee<br />Tuesday 1 March 2005
Good morning everyone and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2005 of the Subordinate Legislation Committee. We have apologies from Mike Pringle and Adam Ingram. The convener, Sylvia Jackson, has been unavoidably delayed.
Christine May: Lab Committee
14 Jun 2005
Instruments Subject <br />To Annulment
I presume that the registration is being made under old charities legislation and not the new legislation that the Parliament passed last week.
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Chamber
25 Sep 2003
Respect for Shop Workers Day
As other members have said, the debate is welcome. I do not apologise for repeating many of the points that other members have made, because they deserve to be repeated. Violence has been discussed in the chamber many times, but as far as I know this is the first time that vio...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Chamber
24 May 2006
Bankruptcy and Diligence etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Like other members, I thank everyone who has been involved with the committee in considering the bill, and I welcome to the gallery professionals who have come to hear the debate.When we started to consider the bill, we were—except for one member, who has already spoken—totall...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Committee
04 Oct 2006
Planning etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Thank you, convener. I draw attention to an entry in my register of interests: I am a trustee of the Fife Historic Buildings Trust.I hope not to take up too much of the committee's time. I thank the Council for Scottish Archaeology for its briefing paper; I understand that com...
Christine May: Lab Committee
20 Apr 2004
Subordinate Legislation
You will recall, convener, that the Subordinate Legislation Committee made detailed comments, particularly on aspects of determining what might or might not be a suitable person or organisation to deliver individual learning accounts. Given that you are my colleague on that co...
Christine May: Lab Committee
20 Apr 2004
Subordinate Legislation
I flagged up the issue merely because I felt that it was right that the committee should know that the Subordinate Legislation Committee commented on the regulations, in case members had missed that in their briefing papers.
Christine May: Lab Committee
21 Sep 2004
Subordinate Legislation
The Subordinate Legislation Committee has no power to address the issue; it can only raise the matter with the lead committee, which in this case is the Enterprise and Culture Committee. I think that the convener's proposal that the matter be taken up with the Presiding Office...
Christine May: Lab Committee
05 Oct 2004
Subordinate Legislation
The names have been transposed from the old orders. When the Subordinate Legislation Committee considered the orders on technical grounds, it had no comment to make; it was quite satisfied and managed to miss the mistake as well.Although the orders are technically fine, how re...
Christine May: Lab Committee
05 Oct 2004
Subordinate Legislation
The legal adviser to the Subordinate Legislation Committee will be taken to task.
Christine May: Lab Committee
05 Oct 2004
Subordinate Legislation
I am pleased that we have come to that, because something that is not in the instrument is how local stakeholders—that is a horrible word—who currently have an interest will continue to be represented. I am quite concerned that that is not in the legislation. I welcome the set...
Christine May: Lab Committee
16 Nov 2004
Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to return to the point about ensuring that, when the Parliament takes a decision, everyone is clear about the will and intention of ministers. I recall that in preparation for a previous debate, we were given guidance that indicated that clarification of ministerial int...
Christine May: Lab Committee
23 Nov 2004
Subordinate Legislation
No, just to say that I am a member of the Subordinate Legislation Committee. We considered the order again and had drawn to our attention some things that we managed to miss when we first looked at it, which were the names of the area tourist boards and possibly the typo. Howe...
Christine May: Lab Committee
30 Nov 2004
Subordinate Legislation
The Subordinate Legislation Committee found the matter interesting because the governance of the royal park lies with the Crown, but the day-to-day management of matters within the park and its operation lies either with the City of Edinburgh Council or with Historic Scotland,...
Christine May: Lab Committee
30 Nov 2004
Subordinate Legislation
That is a policy matter, so the Subordinate Legislation Committee would not have a view on it.
Christine May: Lab Committee
14 Dec 2004
Transport (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The byelaws might well come to the Subordinate Legislation Committee, as did the regulations for charging for parking in the royal parks. The royal parks are reserved, but management of traffic is devolved and goes before the Subordinate Legislation Committee.
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Committee
10 May 2005
Subordinate Legislation
I do not have anything to say, other than to point out that, as the cover note makes clear, the Subordinate Legislation Committee had no comment to make on the technicalities of the regulations.
Christine May: Lab Committee
08 Sep 2005
Subordinate Legislation
I am grateful to the Executive for that clarification. The amendment to the explanatory notes should be adequate. There was difficulty in understanding the meaning of "made" and "delivered" and I am sure that the Subordinate Legislation Committee found the precedents helpful. ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
14 Mar 2006
Subordinate Legislation
I recall that when we asked the Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning—in either the Subordinate Legislation Committee or this committee—why ministers were taking this step, he said that it was an improvement on previous practice, whereby there was no consultation with ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
14 Mar 2006
Bankruptcy and Diligence etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to flag up one or two issues. Nicholas Grier said that it is unlikely that all owners of debt enforcement companies throughout Europe are bailiffs, or whatever the equivalent may be. However, the problem is how one ensures that when debt enforcement officers carry out t...
Christine May: Lab Committee
02 May 2006
Bankruptcy and Diligence etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have one last caveat. As I have sat on the Subordinate Legislation Committee, I do not like matters being left to subordinate legislation. Can you say what will appear in the bill about those regulations?
Christine May: Lab Committee
05 Sep 2006
Subordinate Legislation
I thank Natalie Laing for that information; it gives some weight to the points that we want to make. We are stuck with the legislative framework as it is currently constituted. I know that the Subordinate Legislation Committee has been putting a lot of effort into considering ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2006
Subordinate Legislation
Jamie Stone is a member of the Subordinate Legislation Committee.
Christine May: Lab Committee
14 Nov 2006
Scottish Register of Tartans Bill: Stage 1
I pay tribute to members for their sensible remarks. There have been no knee-jerk or emotional reactions to the bill. Should there be a register? Yes, if possible. However, as members have said, the issue is more complex than it seems and two bodies exist that could keep the r...
Christine May: Lab Committee
16 Jan 2007
Scottish Register of Tartans Bill:<br />Stage 1
I am enormously encouraged by both Jamie's letter and the Executive's response. After our previous meeting, I took the opportunity to discuss the matter informally with Jamie and other colleagues. There is merit in the proposal. Tartan is something for which Scotland has inter...
Christine May: Lab Committee
23 Jan 2007
European Union Legislation <br />(Gold Plating)
The third bullet point on page 3 of paper EC/S2/07/3/4 mentions"mechanisms that will ensure MSPs are more informed about Executive plans to gold plate legislation".We should qualify that sentence by saying "any Executive plans" instead of only "Executive plans", as there is an...
Christine May: Lab Committee
23 Jan 2007
European Union Legislation <br />(Gold Plating)
Yes. As Murdo Fraser says, what is important is not just the wording in the legislation but how it is interpreted locally. I remember local butchers and all kinds of people lobbying me on the directive. It was a disgrace.
Christine May: Lab Committee
25 Apr 2006
Code of Conduct
Legislation, or that which is written down as law, should be absolutely clear about the principles that are being applied. The code is mandatory and breach of it is a serious matter, so it should be absolutely clear which behaviour we are talking about. It is not good that rev...
Christine May: Lab Committee
24 Jun 2003
Executive Responses
Moreover, the agency does not refer to the consultation requirements that are set out in article 9 of EC regulation 178/2002. Such a reference is established good practice in Westminster and across other European Union states. It is not acceptable for the agency to say that it...
Christine May: Lab Committee
24 Jun 2003
Executive Responses
To be fair, we would not want to hold up necessary change or amendment on the ground that everyone was tied up doing a consolidation exercise. If there is a glaring anomaly, or circumstances change, it is important to get legislation through quickly.
Christine May: Lab Committee
24 Jun 2003
Committee Projects
Is it competent for us to consider that? Can we ask? I take Gordon Jackson's point, which partly goes back to what I said about the quality of the drafting. There is a Chinese wall between the Executive and us, or perhaps even between the Executive and the advisers to the comm...
Christine May: Lab Committee
02 Sep 2003
Instruments Subject <br />to Annulment
I have a general concern that where unscrupulous builders or renovators of property can renovate property and let it or sell it on for letting purposes, any modifications or alterations for which public money is claimed must be compliant with all regulations and the legislatio...
Christine May: Lab Committee
16 Sep 2003
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
I would like us to follow up what our legal briefing says about proposed new section 17L(4), which enables regulations to be made on the effect of a change in the membership of a partnership. I hope that this is a case where we will see the regulations concerned fairly quickly...
Christine May: Lab Committee
16 Sep 2003
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
There must be transitional arrangements. Is it valid for the affirmative procedure to be used merely because an instrument amends primary legislation? From the committee's point of view, is it right that all the matters in the catch-all provisions are there? Should any of them...
Christine May: Lab Committee
23 Sep 2003
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
I have some sympathy with that view, having been involved in the joint future group discussions, which involved a joint committee between a local authority and a health board. Those discussions got badly bogged down in discussing what was permitted for each party. However, tha...
Christine May: Lab Committee
23 Sep 2003
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
I appreciate what you are saying about getting to a position where the bill can go forward from stage 2 to its conclusion. You have explained quite clearly why you have put some things in the bill and why you would rather not put other things in. However, I am more interested ...
Christine May: Lab Committee
23 Sep 2003
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
I agree with that, especially with regard to the annulment procedure in relation to sections 2C(5), 17K(1), 17N(1) and 17N(4)(b), which specify the various matters that will be subject to change. My biggest concern is that the negative procedure will be used to sustain existin...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Executive Responses
I accept the reasons that the Executive has given for not consolidating the regulations. It is clear that the Health Department is dealing with a significant amount of legislation, including some big bills. However, as has been noted, these regulations have been amended so man...
Christine May: Lab Committee
07 Oct 2003
Instruments Subject <br />to Annulment
We might ask whether there are proposals to consolidate, as the regulations constitute a fifth amendment to the legislation in this area.
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Chamber

Plenary, 08 Jun 2006

08 Jun 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Regulatory Framework
Some—although perhaps not all—members know that subordinate legislation is not used in every legislature. In fact, some of our European colleagues are shocked that we give ministers powers to make rules and regulations that implement primary legislation without any effective scrutiny by the Parliament. They believe that we are foolish—it happens in the Commonwealth nations, too—to allow our ministers such powers.

Jamie Stone referred to the Henry VIII principle, which involves the power to amend primary legislation by using secondary legislation and therefore gives ministers enormous power.

We have heard about the number of instruments that come before committees and the Parliament. I venture to suggest that—apart from members of the Subordinate Legislation Committee, or members who are particularly interested—nobody reads those instruments. Nobody knows what they say, what their impact is, who they will affect, or whether they make a major change to primary legislation.

Subordinate legislation is important: it puts the flesh on the bones of laws; it says what is allowed and what is not; and it deals with sanctions such as criminal penalties. In evidence to the committee, the Federation of Small Businesses said that it believes that subordinate legislation is extremely important, and I think it supported the committee in its view that changes should be made.

Regulation by subordinate legislation is one of the things business complains about most. I and some others in the chamber were lambasted at a Hansard Society event by representatives of the chemical industry about the plethora of regulations and the frequent and minor changes that are made and that are not explained to the industry in an understandable way. Such changes are sometimes like the amendments to motions that we consider in this chamber: one word, as many of us know, can make a great difference. Is it "may" or "shall", or "could" or "would"? The choice can wholly change the focus of a piece of legislation.

In 2003, when I came to the Parliament, I began on the Subordinate Legislation Committee—and I did not regard it as the gulag. In my previous life, I had worked with such rules and regulations and I knew how important they were. I knew how difficult life could be when they were wrong or not as effective as they might have been, or when they clashed with other regulations. We have all despaired over trying to implement policy when there is conflict between two sets of regulations, perhaps for two different pieces of legislation.

Regulations affect more people than just those in business. They affect the voluntary sector, public agencies, the environment and, ultimately, every person in Scotland. It is therefore important, in this second phase of the work of the committee—which, of necessity, focuses inwards on the technicalities—that we keep our eye firmly on the external effects on business, on the public agencies, on the voluntary sector and on our communities.

In 2005, the Hampton review into better regulation in Westminster said that

"different regulators find it hard to join their systems or operations"

and that that could

"result in missed opportunities".

The report also highlighted the inconsistencies in regulation that I have referred to.

With such points firmly in mind, the Subordinate Legislation Committee considered what might be good for Scotland. The major recommendation in its report is that the system should be simpler. Members have spoken of the complexities, of the different forms of instrument, and of the terminology. John Swinburne is quite right to talk about the acronyms, but it is not only the acronyms; it is all the terminology.

From my time on the committee, I remember Alasdair Morgan showing off his Greek.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion number S2M-4502, in the name of Sylvia Jackson, on behalf of the Subordinate Legislation commi...
Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab): Lab
As convener of the Subordinate Legislation Committee, it is with great pleasure that I open the debate on the committee's draft report, which follows its inq...
Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
And Greek.
Dr Jackson: Lab
Yes, and Greek. The committee's work is becoming more important as more legislation is delegated to secondary legislation. For example, in 2005-06 there were...
Mr Stewart Maxwell (West of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I will echo some of Sylvia Jackson's comments. I express my thanks to the clerking team, the legal advisers—who we could not do without—and particularly the ...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
It was a punishment.
Mr Maxwell: SNP
Over time, Jamie Stone will come to love the committee, as others do. That view is held not because of the work that the committee does or the broad range of...
Murray Tosh (West of Scotland) (Con): Con
I start by associating myself with the remarks of Sylvia Jackson and Stewart Maxwell about the work of the clerks and advisers to the committee. In the first...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
I woke up this morning and looked out the window, saw that it was a bright, cheerful day—and then remembered this debate. I joke. I am the newest member of t...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Ms Margaret Curran): Lab
I bet that made your eyes light up.
Mr Stone: LD
I hear what the minister says. Whether I understand what they are even now is debatable. I will not say anything about what I thought when I heard the word "...
John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP): SSCUP
Does the member think that the document uses too many acronyms? Members of the committee may know what all the initials stand for, but could not things be ma...
Mr Stone: LD
There is a lot in what John Swinburne says. He is probably going in the same direction as me. It is worth pointing out, as members have done, that the report...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
We move to the open debate, in which I am not imposing any time constraints on members.
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab
Some—although perhaps not all—members know that subordinate legislation is not used in every legislature. In fact, some of our European colleagues are shocke...
Ms Curran: Lab
His Greek what?
Christine May: Lab
Well, I notice that he is dressed in furry lining and anorak colours today. Is that deliberate for such a technical discussion? I withdraw that question. It ...
Alasdair Morgan (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I apologise to Christine May, but I have not had time since she made her remark to rush out and change my suit, so she will have to put up with this one. In ...
Murray Tosh: Con
We understand the point that is being made, but does Mr Morgan envisage the Parliament having the resource and the time to deal with amendments, possible ame...
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
That is the difficulty that we have. It is difficult to see what the alternative is. To a large extent, we must look to the Executive to play the game as wel...
Murray Tosh: Con
I understand that, 40 years down the road, the Parliament and the Executive that is in power may have an entirely different view of legislation. Would not th...
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
Yes, but we are dealing with a situation in which a committee is presented with a statutory instrument to which it must say yes or no. That is the difficulty...
Mr Kenneth Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab): Lab
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak, Presiding Officer. I was not planning to do so, but I am happy to make a contribution.
Mr Stone: LD
Are you really happy, Ken?
Mr Macintosh: Lab
Well, one of the reasons why I argued in the committee that we should have this debate today was so that we might engage members who are not involved in the ...
Murray Tosh: Con
It is perfectly possible under the existing system to bring ministers to every committee to discuss every statutory instrument, simply by lodging a motion to...
Mr Macintosh: Lab
I agree with Murray Tosh. I believe that the new system will be a huge improvement on the current system. There are clear attractions in it, not just for the...
Mr Jim Wallace (Orkney) (LD): LD
I must be the first member to speak in the debate who has not been a member of the Subordinate Legislation Committee. I am delighted to be able to take part ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
The debate calls to mind the halcyon days that I spent discussing statutory instruments in the Subordinate Legislation Committee on Tuesday mornings during t...
Mr Stone: LD
Henry VIII provisions.