Chamber
Plenary, 04 Nov 2004
04 Nov 2004 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Pensioners
It is a long while since I have heard so much rubbish spoken in this place. For decades, I have watched in sheer disbelief as successive Governments of various political persuasions have proposed and adopted policies relating to senior citizens' pensions, all resulting in the continuation of pensioner poverty. It has become politically correct and acceptable to propose policies that are guaranteed to continue and even exacerbate the impoverishment of senior citizens, many of whom are vulnerable and frail and, quite frankly, have been shamefully let down by every governing party since the war.
Now, lo and behold, the SNP has woken up to the fact that there are a number of disillusioned grey voters out there and that, if it does not move to rectify the situation, it could cause countless senior citizens to switch off and turn away from the SNP. It is laudable that the SNP has noted that there is a problem; other parties do not even want us to talk about the problem.
I say to Gordon Brown—or Andrew Smith—that the flagship policy of pension credits has failed miserably. Due to its means testing, there has been a pathetic uptake of only 53 per cent, not the figure quoted earlier. Fifty-three per cent might have been enough to see George Bush re-elected, but I say to Gordon Brown, "Don't hold your breath."
To be impartial and fair, the same Gordon Brown has done a splendid job in bringing virtually full employment back to the UK. Nevertheless, the history books will show that he has been an abject failure with regard to pensioners' conditions. Means testing is his flagship policy, and not only has it failed miserably, but it costs a fortune to implement. Forty-seven per cent of my generation refuse to jump through hoops for a sad pittance. They proudly refuse to parade their poverty and virtually beg for the just pension that should be theirs by right.
The SNP deserves credit for proposing the abolition of means testing. However, I would advise it to get back to the drawing board because, according to the media—the figure has not been quoted here today—its target is a pension for all, initially, of £106 a week, or £5,532 per annum, without means testing. That is a benefit. The guaranteed minimum wage is £4.85 an hour, which equates to £194 a week, or £10,088 per annum. Why should a pensioner be expected to live on roughly half the guaranteed minimum wage? Age Concern commissioned a university study, which concluded that £160 a week was the minimum amount required to allow a pensioner simply to make ends meet. That princely sum would not allow them to run a car, go on holiday, smoke, drink, or have a wee flutter at the bingo or on the horses. That is the minimum amount that would allow them simply to make ends meet on a weekly basis. That is why the Scottish Senior Citizens Unity Party demands £160, index linked to earnings—or to the cost of living, whichever is the greater—to give all our senior citizens back their dignity. It is well within the capability of the fourth richest economy in the world to pay senior citizens £8,320 per annum.
Where will the money come from? The answer is easy: bring back our troops from Iraq, scrap Trident and tell Tony Blair that the cold war is over, or set aside a larger percentage of our gross domestic product. Currently, the percentage stands at 5.5 per cent, which is the second lowest of fifteen European countries. Austria allocates 14.5 per cent, Greece 12.6 per cent—this is beginning to sound like the Eurovision song contest—Germany 11.8 per cent and Sweden 9 per cent. Sadly, Gordon Brown boasts that his long-term plan is to reduce our share of GDP from 5.5 per cent to 4.4 per cent, while every other country will greatly increase its share. Other countries are planning ahead—they realise that a demographic time bomb is ticking—but Gordon Brown simply ignores the problem and hopes that it will go away.
Gordon Brown refuses to increase income tax for the mega-rich by pegging the top rate at 40 per cent, while idly watching as 2,500 senior citizens in Scotland die winter-related deaths. Our Executive has a praiseworthy free central heating scheme for the elderly, but, sadly, Gordon Brown has negated that good scheme by ensuring that all too many pensioners simply cannot afford to switch their heating on. He should get real, for goodness' sake. Members should not talk about the £200 winter allowance, by the way, which equates to just £4 per week on top of a miserable pension of about £70.
Pensioners in Shotts high-security prison enjoy facilities that many senior citizens would dearly love to have. The criminals enjoy three square meals per day, free central heating, double glazing, en suite toilet facilities, games rooms, libraries, free televisions and so on at a cost of £30,000 per annum each. Senior citizens, the vast majority of whom have never committed any crime, receive a free television licence when they reach 75 years. If they qualify for pension credit, they receive £5,460 per annum. We are the good guys and the criminals are the bad guys. Pensioners who are taken into residential care, which often falls short of the Shotts standard, might have their home sold to pay the cost of keeping them in residential care. It is not so for the murderer or rapist in Shotts high-security rest home. This is an ill-divided world.
What on earth has happened to the suffragette spirit among our opposite sex? In 1909, Lloyd George—a good Liberal—instigated the first ever old-age pension scheme. The average working wage was just over 12 shillings per week. On reaching 70, a pension of 5 shillings per week was paid to both men and women. In the 21st century, we find ourselves with men getting 100 per cent, while a spouse receives a mere 50 per cent. Thankfully, Nicola Sturgeon addressed that issue. It is high time that the rest of the ladies who rightly complain about the inferior rates that women are paid for the same work in the workplace started suffragetting once more and put an end to this inequality nonsense. The SSCUP demands £160 per week for both men and women—there are no second-class members of our party. Can any other party make the same boast?
When people reach 80, their pension rises by a massive 25p per week. That is not even enough to buy a first-class stamp to write and complain about the insult, yet these are the people who were on the beachheads on D day and who landed at Arnhem and so on—they are the heroes. Ministers will stand there in a week's time with crocodile tears running down their faces when, in far too many instances, they have pensioners in total poverty.
Politicians seem to be completely unaware of the massive problem that faces the elderly in our country. I say to politicians: neglect the elderly at your peril. They have had as much as they are prepared to take from politicians and they are starting to fight back. Uncaring political parties continue to ignore our plight at their peril; the elderly can and will strike back by putting their cross elsewhere in future. Grey power will triumph in adversity—just watch this space.
I move amendment S2M-1940.2, to insert at end:
"and restore the link, broken in 1982, between pensions and average national earnings."
Now, lo and behold, the SNP has woken up to the fact that there are a number of disillusioned grey voters out there and that, if it does not move to rectify the situation, it could cause countless senior citizens to switch off and turn away from the SNP. It is laudable that the SNP has noted that there is a problem; other parties do not even want us to talk about the problem.
I say to Gordon Brown—or Andrew Smith—that the flagship policy of pension credits has failed miserably. Due to its means testing, there has been a pathetic uptake of only 53 per cent, not the figure quoted earlier. Fifty-three per cent might have been enough to see George Bush re-elected, but I say to Gordon Brown, "Don't hold your breath."
To be impartial and fair, the same Gordon Brown has done a splendid job in bringing virtually full employment back to the UK. Nevertheless, the history books will show that he has been an abject failure with regard to pensioners' conditions. Means testing is his flagship policy, and not only has it failed miserably, but it costs a fortune to implement. Forty-seven per cent of my generation refuse to jump through hoops for a sad pittance. They proudly refuse to parade their poverty and virtually beg for the just pension that should be theirs by right.
The SNP deserves credit for proposing the abolition of means testing. However, I would advise it to get back to the drawing board because, according to the media—the figure has not been quoted here today—its target is a pension for all, initially, of £106 a week, or £5,532 per annum, without means testing. That is a benefit. The guaranteed minimum wage is £4.85 an hour, which equates to £194 a week, or £10,088 per annum. Why should a pensioner be expected to live on roughly half the guaranteed minimum wage? Age Concern commissioned a university study, which concluded that £160 a week was the minimum amount required to allow a pensioner simply to make ends meet. That princely sum would not allow them to run a car, go on holiday, smoke, drink, or have a wee flutter at the bingo or on the horses. That is the minimum amount that would allow them simply to make ends meet on a weekly basis. That is why the Scottish Senior Citizens Unity Party demands £160, index linked to earnings—or to the cost of living, whichever is the greater—to give all our senior citizens back their dignity. It is well within the capability of the fourth richest economy in the world to pay senior citizens £8,320 per annum.
Where will the money come from? The answer is easy: bring back our troops from Iraq, scrap Trident and tell Tony Blair that the cold war is over, or set aside a larger percentage of our gross domestic product. Currently, the percentage stands at 5.5 per cent, which is the second lowest of fifteen European countries. Austria allocates 14.5 per cent, Greece 12.6 per cent—this is beginning to sound like the Eurovision song contest—Germany 11.8 per cent and Sweden 9 per cent. Sadly, Gordon Brown boasts that his long-term plan is to reduce our share of GDP from 5.5 per cent to 4.4 per cent, while every other country will greatly increase its share. Other countries are planning ahead—they realise that a demographic time bomb is ticking—but Gordon Brown simply ignores the problem and hopes that it will go away.
Gordon Brown refuses to increase income tax for the mega-rich by pegging the top rate at 40 per cent, while idly watching as 2,500 senior citizens in Scotland die winter-related deaths. Our Executive has a praiseworthy free central heating scheme for the elderly, but, sadly, Gordon Brown has negated that good scheme by ensuring that all too many pensioners simply cannot afford to switch their heating on. He should get real, for goodness' sake. Members should not talk about the £200 winter allowance, by the way, which equates to just £4 per week on top of a miserable pension of about £70.
Pensioners in Shotts high-security prison enjoy facilities that many senior citizens would dearly love to have. The criminals enjoy three square meals per day, free central heating, double glazing, en suite toilet facilities, games rooms, libraries, free televisions and so on at a cost of £30,000 per annum each. Senior citizens, the vast majority of whom have never committed any crime, receive a free television licence when they reach 75 years. If they qualify for pension credit, they receive £5,460 per annum. We are the good guys and the criminals are the bad guys. Pensioners who are taken into residential care, which often falls short of the Shotts standard, might have their home sold to pay the cost of keeping them in residential care. It is not so for the murderer or rapist in Shotts high-security rest home. This is an ill-divided world.
What on earth has happened to the suffragette spirit among our opposite sex? In 1909, Lloyd George—a good Liberal—instigated the first ever old-age pension scheme. The average working wage was just over 12 shillings per week. On reaching 70, a pension of 5 shillings per week was paid to both men and women. In the 21st century, we find ourselves with men getting 100 per cent, while a spouse receives a mere 50 per cent. Thankfully, Nicola Sturgeon addressed that issue. It is high time that the rest of the ladies who rightly complain about the inferior rates that women are paid for the same work in the workplace started suffragetting once more and put an end to this inequality nonsense. The SSCUP demands £160 per week for both men and women—there are no second-class members of our party. Can any other party make the same boast?
When people reach 80, their pension rises by a massive 25p per week. That is not even enough to buy a first-class stamp to write and complain about the insult, yet these are the people who were on the beachheads on D day and who landed at Arnhem and so on—they are the heroes. Ministers will stand there in a week's time with crocodile tears running down their faces when, in far too many instances, they have pensioners in total poverty.
Politicians seem to be completely unaware of the massive problem that faces the elderly in our country. I say to politicians: neglect the elderly at your peril. They have had as much as they are prepared to take from politicians and they are starting to fight back. Uncaring political parties continue to ignore our plight at their peril; the elderly can and will strike back by putting their cross elsewhere in future. Grey power will triumph in adversity—just watch this space.
I move amendment S2M-1940.2, to insert at end:
"and restore the link, broken in 1982, between pensions and average national earnings."
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S2M-1940, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on a better deal for pensioners, and four amendments...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
I begin by expressing my total incredulity at the fact that, as I understand it, no Scottish Executive minister is prepared to take part in the debate. Minis...
The Minister for Communities (Malcolm Chisholm):
Lab
First, the member will hear that I am preserving my voice for this afternoon's debate. Secondly, she will note that all the amendments are party amendments, ...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
There is no Executive position on the matter of pensioner poverty. That says absolutely everything that needs to be said.
Malcolm Chisholm rose—
Lab
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
Unless the minister has something better to say, I will let him preserve his voice.Tackling pensioner poverty should be a priority of the Executive, because ...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Ms Margaret Curran):
Lab
I am fascinated by the tactics of the Scottish National Party. Every time that it has an Opposition debate, it chooses to debate reserved issues. In doing so...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
Order.
Ms Curran:
Lab
Let me be absolutely clear. Charges have been laid at the Executive's door that I must answer.
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
Briefly, please.
Ms Curran:
Lab
With the greatest respect, Presiding Officer, it is taking me so long because members are shouting and I am being forced to repeat myself.
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
Come on.
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
This is a speech.
Ms Curran:
Lab
If members will stop shouting at me, I will speak and Nicola Sturgeon will be able to get on with her speech.
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
Please be brief.
Ms Curran:
Lab
The Executive's position is that we tackle pensioner poverty using the powers that we have. Nicola Sturgeon is talking about reserved powers. She should at l...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
The member may take another two to three minutes.
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
If Margaret Curran had wanted to speak in the debate, she should have put her name on the list of speakers. Pensions policy may be reserved, but poverty is n...
George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD) rose—
LD
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I will not take an intervention at the moment. I may come back to the member later, after I have made some progress.I want first to deal with the issue of pe...
George Lyon:
LD
We welcome the SNP's adoption of our policies on this issue. The net cost of the SNP's policy of having a citizens pension for all over 65 would be about £8....
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
If George Lyon will be patient, I will explain in great detail exactly how we will fund it, so he should listen carefully. I hope that Liberal Democrat membe...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD) rose—
LD
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I will not give way at the moment.The pensioners to whom I referred end up feeling no better off for having scrimped and saved throughout their lives. That s...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
Will the member answer George Lyon's question?
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I must make some progress. I am sure that the Liberal Democrats will have a chance to tell us all about their policy later.A citizens pension would be a soli...
Mike Rumbles:
LD
How would the member pay for the citizens pension?
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I am coming to that.It is only right that I pause to consider the Tory amendment, which also calls for the link between pensions and earnings to be restored....
Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) rose—
Con
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
The Conservatives should sit down and listen. I remind Brian Monteith of what benefit that vindictive act of the Thatcher Government delivered to Scottish pe...