Committee
European and External Relations Committee 03 April 2014
03 Apr 2014 · S4 · European and External Relations Committee
Item of business
Independence: European Union Membership Inquiry
You read the quotation from Sir David Edward. I put it to Alistair Carmichael last week, but he seemed to dodge issues about what would happen after a yes vote in September. When I said that there would surely be some negotiations, he said that, first, there would need to be“bilateral negotiation between Scotland and the rest of the UK before anything could be done with regard to the European Union.”Then, although he accepted that David Cameron had indicated that he would support Scotland’s membership of the European Union, he said that that would be on the basis of Cameron“being Prime Minister of a United Kingdom that would not include Scotland”—Official Report, European and External Relations Committee, 20 March 2014; c 1908-1909.and, therefore, he would not be in a position to influence him.Alistair Carmichael rather glossed over any question of participation in negotiations. Will you comment on that?
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Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP)
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Fiona Hyslop
SNP
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Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
SNP
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Fiona Hyslop
SNP
Yes.
Willie Coffey
SNP
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Fiona Hyslop
SNP
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Willie Coffey
SNP
That is quite astounding, cabinet secretary. The committee might wish to take that up and, if possible, invite Mr Carmichael back at some stage.
Fiona Hyslop
SNP
I am happy to send the details of the case to you.
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SNP
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SNP
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Con
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Con
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Fiona Hyslop
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Fiona Hyslop
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