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Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Chamber
01 Dec 2011
Criminal Law and Practice (Carloway Review)
I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I acknowledge the care and time that Lord Carloway and his team have afforded to this important review. It is a big report with a lot in it, and we can only touch the surface today.In the foreword to the report, Lord C...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Sep 2012
Reforming Scots Criminal Law and Practice (Public Consultation)
I refer to my register of interests—I am a member of the Faculty of Advocates.As we all remember, in 2010 the cabinet secretary asked Lord Carloway to carry out a review of Scots criminal law and practice given the decision of the UK Supreme Court in HMA v Cadder and in the wa...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 Feb 2014
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests as a member of the Faculty of Advocates.Although the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill is substantial, public attention has tended to concentrate almost exclusively on the proposal to abolish the requirement for corrobor...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Sep 2013
Corroboration
I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I am a member of the Faculty of Advocates.It is clear that Lord Carloway’s proposal on the abolition of the requirement for corroboration remains controversial. We certainly have no consensus on the is...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Chamber
29 Feb 2012
Human Trafficking
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I declare a relevant interest as a member of Amnesty International and of the Faculty of Advocates.The insomniacs among us in the chamber may have seen last week’s Scottish questions from Westminster, which was broadcast on...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
10 Dec 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am conscious of the time, so I will move on to a question about the Scottish Law Commission’s role. I recently took the opportunity to review my book collection and came across Professor Raitt’s excellent book on evidence—I think that it is a 1990s edition. In it, you refer ...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Carloway Review
Good morning, Lord Carloway. I will start with a general question on paragraph 7.2.41, relating to corroboration. You say that “The real protection against miscarriages of justice at first instance is the standard of proof required; that the judge or jury must not convict unle...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Carloway Review
I have one other small point. I was not sure whether you had consulted Justice Scotland as opposed to Justice, Lord Carloway. I refer you to the comments of Maggie Scott QC, chair of Justice Scotland, who said that the removal of corroboration would risk “justice being undone”...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
24 Sep 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I would like to start with a supplementary question to something that was raised a little while ago. It was about sexual history. Do you have a view on reviewing sexual history applications under sections 274 and 275 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995 in the context...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
14 Jan 2014
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome your comments this morning about safeguards but I am slightly troubled by Lord Carloway’s view that, if the requirement for corroboration was abolished, there would be no need for any rebalancing through the introduction of further safeguards. Moreover, in his eviden...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
29 Oct 2013
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2014-15
I will touch on corroboration, on which we touched earlier. Paragraph 7 of the protocol says:“In all cases of domestic abuse where there is sufficient corroborative evidence of a crime … the case will be reported to the Procurator Fiscal.”If the requirement for corroboration i...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Committee
20 Nov 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I declare an interest as a member of the Faculty of Advocates.Good morning, Lord Gill. I have listened carefully to what you said, which has to a degree pre-empted a line of questioning on which I was going to embark.To be fair to Lord Carloway, when he gave evidence on 24 Sep...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
03 Dec 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am happy to leave the question there.In his report, Lord Carloway did not recommend that any safeguards would be necessary if the requirement for corroboration was abolished, on the basis that in his view the principle safeguard is the requirement to prove a case beyond reas...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Chamber
08 Dec 2015
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill
The final words of the introductory music to the Scandinavian crime noir, “The Bridge”, which is currently showing on BBC Four, are: “everything goes back to the beginning.” If we go back to the beginning of this process, we find a bill that sought to build on the Carloway r...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
20 Dec 2011
Carloway Review
Is it your view that, as Lord Carloway suggests, there is no evidence that corroboration per se has a bearing on the number of miscarriages of justice, or do you disagree with that?
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Carloway Review
I do not think that you touched on Maggie Scott’s view that alternative safeguards will be needed if the requirement for corroboration is removed.
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Committee
13 Dec 2011
Carloway Review
The witnesses have largely answered the questions that I was going to ask. However, I would like further clarification from Mr McConnachie. You talk about how potential safeguards were excluded by the Carloway review. Can you elaborate on that and say which other safeguards—as...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
24 Sep 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I just wanted to raise the point.On the complainer’s credibility being more in focus in the system if we have no corroboration, should consideration be given to the defence having greater freedom to challenge the complainer’s credibility, as some have suggested in their submis...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
10 Dec 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The bill makes no provision for any additional safeguards, for want of a better word, in relation to summary cases—which of course make up the majority of criminal cases—if the mandatory requirement for corroboration were to be removed. Do you have any comments about that?
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Committee
14 Jan 2014
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In the first supplementary written submission from the Crown Office—CJ46a—paragraph 4 states:“It is important to be clear at the outset that the abolition of the requirement for corroboration is not about improving detection or conviction rates.”When the Lord President gave ev...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
14 Jan 2014
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
She talked about the risk of challenge under the ECHR if corroboration was not abolished.
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
29 Oct 2013
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2014-15
Before I move on to ask my questions, I note that, when I asked Lord Carloway about the impact of the abolition of the requirement for corroboration given the new prosecutorial tests, I said that it was not necessarily the case that more cases would come to trial, and he said,...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
20 Nov 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am just about with you, I think.The evidence of a victim’s distress is a comparatively recent addition as a corroboration tool. Could you explain to the committee some of the difficulties that it gives rise to?
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
20 Nov 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In addition to corroboration as it was in centuries gone by, how that operates in practice and the difficulties that it causes.
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
20 Nov 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My final point—given the time—is in relation to the two written submissions from the Crown Office. There is no comment on what might be described as safeguards if corroboration is removed. Is that because you did not want to get drawn into that debate?
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP Committee
03 Dec 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The comments are actually on page 2 of your written submission, which says:“Blanket removal of corroboration would risk exposing police officers to more spurious and malicious allegations which would be harder to refute and similarly so for every other member of the public.”
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
03 Dec 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In your written submission, you state that the“link between corroboration and low conviction rates ... needs further detailed research”.I assume that you now do not want to carry out “further detailed research”. Your submission went on to say that you believe that the“majority...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
03 Dec 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Finally—I am conscious of the time—we talked earlier a bit about penetration. Presumably you would accept that, if the only evidence in the absence of corroboration is the complainer’s evidence that there has been penetration, the case might be sufficient to pass to the Crown ...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
03 Dec 2013
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have dealt with two of the proposed safeguards in the Government’s consultation. Does the panel have a view on whether other statutory changes should be made, such as the insertion of a provision equivalent to section 78 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984? The bil...
Roderick Campbell SNP Committee
22 Apr 2014
Courts Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As a member of the Faculty of Advocates, I made slightly similar comments in a debate in the Parliament last year on corroboration, but that is another story.
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 01 December 2011

01 Dec 2011 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Criminal Law and Practice (Carloway Review)
I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I acknowledge the care and time that Lord Carloway and his team have afforded to this important review. It is a big report with a lot in it, and we can only touch the surface today.

In the foreword to the report, Lord Carloway states:

“The underlying and long-lasting implication of Cadder is that the system must fully embrace and apply a human rights based approach.”

We must consider his review in that context.

The proposal for removing the requirement for corroboration in criminal cases is perhaps the most ambitious proposal in the report. I agree whole-heartedly with Lord Carloway that the most important aspect in establishing the value of evidence should be its quality and not its quantity.

We have heard that the concept of corroboration has a very long history. Until relatively recently, it used to be part of the civil process in Scotland as well as operating in criminal cases, although that is seldom mentioned today. The requirement for corroboration in civil cases was abolished in 1988, and the civil system has functioned without the need for corroboration quite adequately, even if it must be accepted that, in a case based on a conflict of oral evidence, two witnesses in support are better than one.

The term “corroboration” is often misunderstood by the layperson; it means that there must be two separate sources of evidence. It does not mean that there should necessarily be two independent witnesses to confirm every piece of evidence. As has been said, it is a hangover from medieval times at least: a security mechanism to protect accused persons from mistakenly being hanged from the gallows in an age in which there was no such thing as an appeals process.

Thankfully, we have moved on. As Lord Carloway has said, the principal reason that is advanced nowadays for retaining corroboration is to prevent miscarriages of justice. As has been said, his review found no evidence to suggest that the rates of miscarriage of justice in Scotland are any lower than they are in comparable countries that do not have a corroboration rule. Moreover, he argues that the requirement for corroboration increases the likelihood of a miscarriage of justice. If a complainer has a good case, but there is no evidence other than the complainer’s own evidence, the complainer is, because of the rule of corroboration, not able to obtain justice as the case does not proceed.

Those are powerful arguments, but I do not believe that removing corroboration is a silver bullet that will necessarily increase efficiency and improve justice—and it may not, in human rights terms, be more than neutral. The cabinet secretary has referred to the research on the 468 cases. The second table shows that 95 out of 141 sexual offences could have been prosecuted. However, Lord Carloway himself admits:

“it is important to remember that the removal of the requirement for corroboration would not guarantee a conviction”

in the cases in which there was deemed to be a reasonable prospect of conviction. The reasonable prospect of conviction that is assessed by the Crown Prosecution Service in England is an objective test in which a prosecutor assesses whether it is more likely than not that a conviction will be obtained. The figure is something in excess of 50 per cent but perhaps not much more, and in reality convictions do not always follow. Therefore, we should not be overwhelmed by the figures and, as David McLetchie has rightly said, the difference between conviction rates in Scotland and those in England and Wales is minimal.

We should perhaps counter that point by remembering the comments of Helena Kennedy when she was talking about human trafficking this week. In her view, the rule on corroboration may be a bar to convictions for trafficking, and I cannot see any real argument against that.

We obviously acknowledge that the test to be applied in criminal cases is whether the Crown has proved its case beyond reasonable doubt. In Carloway’s view, that is the essential safeguard to protect the accused. In particular, he believes that safeguards, such as an automatic warning to the jury of the risk of convicting on the basis of uncorroborated evidence, should not be required. Similarly, he believes that a judge at first instance should not be entitled to acquit an accused in a solemn case even if he or she considers that it would be unreasonable for a jury to return a verdict of guilty on the evidence adduced.

It is in the area of safeguards that I believe that the Government would be wise to listen to the arguments. Justice Scotland has said that it is

“dismayed by the suggested wholesale removal of corroboration absent alternative safeguards”.

The Government needs to listen to that argument, and others, so that we can have a full and meaningful debate on the point.

I will move away from corroboration and touch on the review’s comments on adverse inference. I agree with Lord Carloway’s recommendation that there should be no change to the current position—that is, that no inference should be drawn from silence on the part of a suspect when they are questioned. There is no strong case for replicating the English experience, and indeed in England the matter is rarely an issue in trials. Similarly, I believe that, post-Cadder, the distinction between section 14 detention and arrest is no longer meaningful.

In the remaining time, I will touch on the question of rights of access. Lord Carloway’s analysis is that there is nothing in European jurisprudence that precludes suspects from waiving their right of access to a lawyer, but he goes on to consider the position of vulnerable adults and children. Most significantly, he makes a recommendation that under-16s cannot waive their right of access to a lawyer, which seems a sensible recommendation. It is unusual that under-16s, who may not consent to many things in life, are able to waive something that is so important to their human rights.

On a waiver generally, Lord Carloway does not specifically suggest in his review that the police should record the reasons why a suspect waives their right of access when they are at a police station or wherever—Lord Hope made that suggestion in a Scottish case heard by the Supreme Court in which judgment was given last week. However, in the evidence that Lord Carloway gave to the Justice Committee on Tuesday, he agreed with the proposal that the reasons why an accused has used the waiver should be recorded. It is a helpful suggestion, and it may be a useful addition to any Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland manual.

There is an awful lot in the Carloway review. It is an important contribution to the debate, and I look forward to a full and meaningful debate on it.

15:38

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-01450, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on Lord Carloway’s review of criminal procedure. 14:56
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Kenny MacAskill) SNP
I put on record my thanks to the Opposition spokespeople for agreeing the tenor of the motion. That shows that the status quo is not tenable; we have to make...
James Kelly (Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to take part in the debate and to support the Government’s motion.The cabinet secretary said that this seems like an examination pr...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
In one of the responses to the review, one party said:“It would be very dangerous to remove corroboration for rape and sexual offences since”that“would resul...
James Kelly Lab
If the member will allow me to, I will develop my argument, because I acknowledge that the issue is complex and requires careful consideration. I certainly s...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Just for clarity, the member has said twice that he supports the removal of corroboration in rape cases, but can he explain whether that means that he does n...
James Kelly Lab
I appreciate the intervention, but if I can develop my argument I will make clear what my position is in relation to other cases.Lord Carloway shows that the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I can give you some extra time for the interventions.
James Kelly Lab
That will be very useful, Presiding Officer. I am sure that that is welcome. Laughter. Of the other important areas that the report covers, arrest and detent...
David McLetchie (Lothian) (Con) Con
Like other members of the Justice Committee, I come to the debate with the benefit not just of reading the Carloway report and assessing the initial reaction...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
What Mr McLetchie is pointing out is crystal clear, but with regard to rape cases, one effect of the requirement for corroboration is that many people who ar...
David McLetchie Con
It is fair to say that people are more likely to come forward and make a serious complaint if they think that it will be taken seriously, that the case will ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Mr McLetchie, I would be grateful if you could draw your remarks to a conclusion.
David McLetchie Con
Okay.The convener, from whom I hope that we will hear shortly, raised with Lord Carloway the issue of the sustainability of the not proven verdict. I wonder ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Thank you—that was a very generous six minutes. We now come to the open debate. We will have speeches of six minutes. There is a little bit of time for inter...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I refer to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I acknowledge the care and time that Lord Carloway and his team have afforded to this important re...
Graeme Pearson (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
At page 3 of his report, Lord Carloway states:“the system for which”—the state—“is responsible must respect, promote and protect human rights in an effective...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As members will know, the Equality and Human Rights Commission Scotland inquiry into human trafficking in Scotland reported on Monday. Roderick Campbell has ...
Graeme Pearson Lab
Yes, I think that that is correct. It is a consideration that needs to be solemnly gauged in our discussions in the weeks and months ahead. We should also be...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
For the avoidance of doubt, Lord Carloway made it plain to the Justice Committee that the report was not unanimous. He had a review group, but the report was...
Christine Grahame SNP
Let me make progress, as I am going to deal with sexual offences cases.I want to raise concerns that have been raised by others who submitted responses on co...
Humza Yousaf (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I mean no disrespect but seven months in this Parliament can sometimes feel like seven years. I do not know whether I am still allowed to call myself a newbi...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I, too, welcome the publication of Lord Carloway’s report. It is a thorough and reasoned piece of work, and we must now give full and fair consideration to i...
Stewart Maxwell (West Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Like others, I thank Lord Carloway and his team for a most detailed and thoughtful report. As many have said, this is in effect a package of measures. I agre...
Colin Keir (Edinburgh Western) (SNP) SNP
I will say right at the outset that I empathise with my colleague Humza Yousaf, as I am also a lay person as regards the law.I welcome the chance to speak on...
Hugh Henry (Renfrewshire South) (Lab) Lab
As others have done, I welcome the report. We take great pride in our Scottish legal system and the way in which it has operated for many years, but we all n...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As we have heard, Scots law evolves and the report builds on past work and will form part of that evolution. I would like to pose the question: whose interes...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Many thanks. We have a little time in hand, which I will endeavour to divide equally between the three closing speakers. Mr McLetchie, you have up to eight m...
David McLetchie Con
I know that you cannot get enough of me, Deputy Presiding Officer, but this is stretching my abilities beyond my normally shortened contributions.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You could take interventions.