Chamber
Plenary, 24 May 2007
24 May 2007 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Approach to Government
If that was an example of the new politics, there will be many demands that we go back to the old. I noticed that, for all Wendy Alexander's demands that we have consensus, there is not much consensus between her position on tolls and the Howat report and the position on which she fought the election only three weeks ago.
However, I will deal with the current Government rather than the previous one. I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving us the opportunity to outline our approach to a new Government and how we will deal with issues. Before turning to specifics, I will first advance two general principles under which the new Government should operate. First, value for money should be at the very heart of what the Government does in a way that, as most us would acknowledge, was simply not the case under the previous Administration. Secondly, there must be openness, because greater scrutiny leads to better decisions and greater public confidence in what the Government is doing. In fact, the two principles are linked, because greater openness will of itself be an additional pressure on the Government to achieve greater value for money. That is one reason why I am grateful that the cabinet secretary has done what his predecessor failed to do in ordering the publication of the Howat report. It is a pity that the public did not have an opportunity to see that report before the election, but the fact that they and the Parliament will now have the opportunity to scrutinise it is certainly progress.
Given all his responsibilities, it is debatable whether the cabinet secretary in his first few days in office has fully digested all the implications of the Howat report and what it means, or could mean, for how the Government operates. Whether or not he has had the opportunity to do so, the Parliament has not had such an opportunity, and there will be no such opportunity today. Therefore, before the summer recess, the Executive should initiate a debate in Executive time on the report and what it means. Important issues are involved, and we must ensure that, in the spirit of consensus, we can all properly scrutinise what the report means for the Government.
I will briefly touch on some specifics in the report. Members might remember that, before the election, the Government parties routinely attacked the Conservatives' and the nationalists' spending plans. When he was defending his failure to publish the Howat report, the former First Minister said that the Conservatives' and nationalists'
"spending plans would not stand a day of scrutiny, never mind a year".—[Official Report, 28 September 2006; c 28020.]
April was an intense month of scrutiny, during which the Conservatives' plans held up rather better than those of the Labour Party. Now we know that at the same time that Mr McConnell was defending his failure to publish the Howat report and was attacking the Conservatives and the SNP, the Howat team
"faced difficulties in assessing the implications of switching or reducing spend in any programme."
The report found that
"The limitations of the SE's financial planning and management systems mean the assessment of the effectiveness of budget performance needs to be treated with a degree of caution."
It also found
"voluminous evidence of monitoring and measuring inputs",
but not of spending being linked to outcomes. In relation to education, it discovered
"an attitude in more than one area that regarded budget lines of single-digit millions of pounds to be ‘trivial'",
which was a mindset that
"does not engender confidence in general cost control practices."
On health, which is the single biggest item of expenditure in the Scottish budget, the report said that
"it remains difficult to assess whether the NHS in Scotland is delivering value for money".
Those are reasons enough why the previous Administration refused to publish the Howat report before the election.
However, that is just the start. I turn to one area that Mr Swinney alluded to in which the Conservatives have long advocated change. We argued for the mutualisation of Scottish Water not only during the election campaign that we have just had, as the Liberal Democrats did, but in the election campaign before that. As Mr Swinney said, the Howat report suggests that ministers should consider mutualisation in order to save £183 million a year, but what did ministers in the previous Executive do? In response to a question that I asked in the chamber on 15 March, Sarah Boyack confirmed that the previous Executive had not even reviewed Scottish Water's structure. The Howat report was not only suppressed, it was ignored.
However, I will deal with the current Government rather than the previous one. I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving us the opportunity to outline our approach to a new Government and how we will deal with issues. Before turning to specifics, I will first advance two general principles under which the new Government should operate. First, value for money should be at the very heart of what the Government does in a way that, as most us would acknowledge, was simply not the case under the previous Administration. Secondly, there must be openness, because greater scrutiny leads to better decisions and greater public confidence in what the Government is doing. In fact, the two principles are linked, because greater openness will of itself be an additional pressure on the Government to achieve greater value for money. That is one reason why I am grateful that the cabinet secretary has done what his predecessor failed to do in ordering the publication of the Howat report. It is a pity that the public did not have an opportunity to see that report before the election, but the fact that they and the Parliament will now have the opportunity to scrutinise it is certainly progress.
Given all his responsibilities, it is debatable whether the cabinet secretary in his first few days in office has fully digested all the implications of the Howat report and what it means, or could mean, for how the Government operates. Whether or not he has had the opportunity to do so, the Parliament has not had such an opportunity, and there will be no such opportunity today. Therefore, before the summer recess, the Executive should initiate a debate in Executive time on the report and what it means. Important issues are involved, and we must ensure that, in the spirit of consensus, we can all properly scrutinise what the report means for the Government.
I will briefly touch on some specifics in the report. Members might remember that, before the election, the Government parties routinely attacked the Conservatives' and the nationalists' spending plans. When he was defending his failure to publish the Howat report, the former First Minister said that the Conservatives' and nationalists'
"spending plans would not stand a day of scrutiny, never mind a year".—[Official Report, 28 September 2006; c 28020.]
April was an intense month of scrutiny, during which the Conservatives' plans held up rather better than those of the Labour Party. Now we know that at the same time that Mr McConnell was defending his failure to publish the Howat report and was attacking the Conservatives and the SNP, the Howat team
"faced difficulties in assessing the implications of switching or reducing spend in any programme."
The report found that
"The limitations of the SE's financial planning and management systems mean the assessment of the effectiveness of budget performance needs to be treated with a degree of caution."
It also found
"voluminous evidence of monitoring and measuring inputs",
but not of spending being linked to outcomes. In relation to education, it discovered
"an attitude in more than one area that regarded budget lines of single-digit millions of pounds to be ‘trivial'",
which was a mindset that
"does not engender confidence in general cost control practices."
On health, which is the single biggest item of expenditure in the Scottish budget, the report said that
"it remains difficult to assess whether the NHS in Scotland is delivering value for money".
Those are reasons enough why the previous Administration refused to publish the Howat report before the election.
However, that is just the start. I turn to one area that Mr Swinney alluded to in which the Conservatives have long advocated change. We argued for the mutualisation of Scottish Water not only during the election campaign that we have just had, as the Liberal Democrats did, but in the election campaign before that. As Mr Swinney said, the Howat report suggests that ministers should consider mutualisation in order to save £183 million a year, but what did ministers in the previous Executive do? In response to a question that I asked in the chamber on 15 March, Sarah Boyack confirmed that the previous Executive had not even reviewed Scottish Water's structure. The Howat report was not only suppressed, it was ignored.
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The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson):
NPA
Good afternoon. The first item of business is a debate on the approach to government.
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney):
SNP
Yesterday, the First Minister outlined the Government's priorities for creating a more successful Scotland. He shared his hopes for working more constructive...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I am sorry, Mr Swinney, but I must ask you to stop. There are too many conversations taking place around the chamber. I do not appreciate it if I cannot hear...
John Swinney:
SNP
We want our purpose to be understood across Scottish society—by business, public bodies, the third sector and local communities—and we wish to work in co-ope...
Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (Ind):
Ind
Local decision making by local people presumably includes local councils. Does that mean we are getting the trams in Edinburgh?
John Swinney:
SNP
It means that the Government takes strategic decisions about the health and prosperity of Scotland and that we co-operate with local authorities in taking fo...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab):
Lab
Will the Executive respond to the invitation that I issued yesterday to publish details of the estimated increase in congestion that is associated with the r...
John Swinney:
SNP
We will put into the public domain whatever information about our policy commitments is required in the public domain.In the spirit of openness, I am pleased...
Tavish Scott (Shetland) (LD):
LD
In the spirit of fairness and decency, will Mr Swinney tell members whether he will accept the Howat report in full?
John Swinney:
SNP
Mr Scott's question pre-empts the comments that I am about to make.As members know, the Howat review involved a team of independent professionals from the pu...
Jeremy Purvis (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD):
LD
I congratulate the minister on his new position. In his statement, the First Minister said that any review of government procedures would not be predicated o...
John Swinney:
SNP
There will be no compulsory redundancies under the initiatives that we progress. There must be acceptance that it is likely that there will be changes in wha...
Peter Peacock (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):
Lab
In the light of the fact that the minister's party does not command a majority in the Parliament and in the light of the efforts that its representatives hav...
John Swinney:
SNP
I seem to recall that Mr Peacock was pretty happy with the budget process when he was a minister in the Scottish Executive, so, with the greatest respect, if...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab):
Lab
Will the minister give way?
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
No. I am sorry, but the minister is winding up.
John Swinney:
SNP
I would be delighted to give way, but I must draw my remarks to a close.We will discuss how public bodies can work together more effectively, and community p...
Ms Wendy Alexander (Paisley North) (Lab):
Lab
Some members may recall that I refrained yesterday from commenting on the scope of Mr Swinney's portfolio. However, as today's debate is on the approach to g...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP):
SNP
How many times over the past eight years did the Governments that Wendy Alexander was occasionally part of consult any Opposition party about the structure o...
Ms Alexander:
Lab
I think that I should stick with the fate of new politics, to which I am addressing myself.As I said, the first test of new politics is consensus. However, t...
John Swinney:
SNP
If the 1.5 per cent efficiency target is insufficient to command confidence on the Labour benches, will Wendy Alexander set out, in the interest of consensus...
Ms Alexander:
Lab
I made it clear that we had not laid out what we would do in the next spending review. However, it is not ambitious to suggest a target that is half that of ...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Wendy Alexander will need to do better if she wants to succeed Jack McConnell within the next year.Does the member agree that one thing that people want is m...
Ms Alexander:
Lab
I do not think that anyone on the Labour benches intends to degenerate into the blame culture.I simply note that we have had total radio silence on schools a...
Derek Brownlee (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
If that was an example of the new politics, there will be many demands that we go back to the old. I noticed that, for all Wendy Alexander's demands that we ...
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab):
Lab
Does the member accept that the framework that was put in place for Scottish Water has been accepted as financially rigorous and as much more transparent tha...
Derek Brownlee:
Con
Whatever the member's interest in having an efficient Scottish Water, it is a fact that a year before she gave me that answer in the chamber, the Howat repor...
Jeremy Purvis:
LD
Will the member give way?
Derek Brownlee:
Con
I would like to make some progress. The previous Government was rightly criticised by the new Minister for Enterprise, Energy and Tourism for failing to ensu...
Tavish Scott (Shetland) (LD):
LD
I apologise to the minister and to other members for having to leave early this afternoon due to commitments at home in Shetland tonight. So far, successive ...