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Gavin Brown Con Chamber
22 Jan 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
I merely make the point to reflect that a £2 billion increase can hardly be described as “savage cuts”, as Kenneth Gibson and most of his colleagues try to put it.College cuts also featured heavily in speeches across all parties in the chamber, apart from the Scottish National...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Dec 2012
Draft Budget 2013-14
Yes. I think that I have acknowledged in every debate on the subject that the budget is going down in real terms but up in cash terms.Let me move on to some comments on capital investment. Mr Swinney claims to take no lessons from anyone on capital investment because he and on...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
That is more desperate stuff from Keith Brown. He ignores everything that has been said so far and fails completely to talk about the NPD programme, which the entire debate is about. He tries to throw in anything at all to take away the spotlight that is being shone on his Gov...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
26 Jun 2014
Budget Outturn 2013-14
I thank the cabinet secretary for advance sight of his statement. In comparing this year’s table to last year’s, I note that there appear to be significant increases in the cash underspends for education, justice, rural affairs and infrastructure. Will the cabinet secretary gi...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con Chamber
01 Apr 2009
Capital Investment Projects (Funding)
I, too, welcome the Finance Committee's report and pay tribute to that committee's convener, clerks and all its members for producing it.The report is particularly welcome because it is on a topic that thus far has been dealt with by soundbites. The process has allowed the com...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
Presiding Officer, the cabinet secretary really should not generate more excitement than he can comfortably contain.Richard Lyle must be congratulated on making an entire four-minute speech without even passing by the subject of NPD. That record was beaten only by Nicola Sturg...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Dec 2012
Draft Budget 2013-14
As I stand to make my closing speech, I have fresh in my mind the speech of Mike MacKenzie, who tickled me rather towards the end of his speech when he said of NPD that the clue is in the name. He genuinely believes that there is no profit in the non-profit-distributing model....
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
06 Feb 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
What about the £20 million? Yes, the Government is spending £20 million this year but it told us that it was spending £353 million when it came to NPD.Mr Salmond, speaking from a sedentary position, has the audacity to talk about NPD. Last week, I asked him in this chamber not...
Gavin Brown: Con Chamber
05 Jun 2008
Scotland's Infrastructure (Investment)
Mr Leigh and I will agree on some things and disagree on others. Once again, Keith Brown has picked out one specific example. I do not think that Edward Leigh was referring to PFI as a whole; I think that he was referring to one or two examples where it had not been successful...
Gavin Brown: Con Chamber
13 Nov 2008
Scottish Futures Trust
Our position is clear. We think that we should continue with PPP and PFI at the moment. If the SFT can add value and will improve the range of options, we will support it. It is for individual local authorities and public bodies to consider, project by project, which funding m...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Committee
16 Jan 2013
Scottish Futures Trust
I will come back to some of the NPD issues, on which the convener started his questioning. As he mentioned, at the time of the spending review in 2011, the estimate for construction spend under NPD for 2012-13—the current financial year—was £353 million. However, we were told ...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
That was a fairly predictable intervention from a Scottish National Party back bencher. The only surprising aspect was that it took one minute and 56 seconds for Mr Eadie to intervene—about a minute longer than his whip said. That is very disappointing.Let us hear from the Sco...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
It has never been denied from this side of the chamber that, over the course of the spending review, the Scottish Government budget has been reduced in real terms. However, as we all know, next year it goes up in cash terms.The SNP is determined to discuss anything but the NPD...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
We ask the Government to publish the list for the year before, to explain why so little has been delivered thus far and why little will be delivered next year, and to give us a guarantee that the latest projections for this year and next will be delivered in full.I move,That t...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
In an intervention, Willie Rennie asked a simple question about how much of the failure to deliver on the NPD programme can be blamed on Westminster. The answer to that is nil. The entire NPD programme is devolved, so there is nobody to blame for the failure to deliver on it e...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Dec 2012
Draft Budget 2013-14
NPD funding was announced in November 2010. Is the cabinet secretary disappointed at the rate of progress with NPD in the two years since the announcement?
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
24 Feb 2015
Building Scotland’s Infrastructure
We have had an interesting debate. Among the highlights was Mike MacKenzie celebrating the Queensferry crossing being built on time a year or two before it is complete. Another was Mr Stevenson, in responding to the point that train journey times now are slower than those a ce...
Gavin Brown Con Committee
04 Nov 2013
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2014-15
I believe that you completed them in very good time as well. I turn to a more serious issue. We have heard a lot about NPD so far, on which I have a couple of follow-up questions. In last year’s draft budget, the prediction for NPD in 2014-15 was £973 million. The current pre...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con Chamber
13 Mar 2008
Borders Railway
The Scottish Conservative position is that we must ensure that the project is completed as quickly and cost effectively as possible. To that extent, we welcome the £30 million cap on Scottish Borders Council, the City of Edinburgh Council and Midlothian Council that was announ...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con Chamber
28 May 2008
Scottish Futures Trust
The cabinet secretary referred to a unitary charge payment of £500 million a year, which is somewhat less than the figure that one of his back benchers referred to recently. Will there be a unitary charge under the NPD model?
Gavin Brown: Con Chamber
05 Jun 2008
Scotland's Infrastructure (Investment)
Not at this time.I note, in passing, that the SNP manifesto appeared to concur with that sentiment in stating clearly that"it will be open to local authorities and other public bodies to choose between PFI/PPP and Scottish Futures Bonds for planned and future projects."It is, ...
Gavin Brown: Con Chamber
05 Jun 2008
Scotland's Infrastructure (Investment)
Not at this time. I am afraid that I am not going to take any more interventions.I apologise to the SNP back benchers, but it has to be said that the proposed NPD model involves profit. Calling it non-profit is a complete misnomer; there is capped profit rather than no profit....
Gavin Brown: Con Chamber
01 Apr 2009
Capital Investment Projects (Funding)
Would the cabinet secretary's argument not also apply to NPD, the Government's preferred default method, coming on balance sheet?
Gavin Brown Con Committee
26 Sep 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
I thought that raising my hand might be more effective than twitching my eyebrow.Garry Clark has touched on capital spend. One issue that was raised in the budget last week was the non-profit-distributing model of the Scottish Futures Trust and the £2.5 billion that will be al...
Gavin Brown Con Committee
05 Nov 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
That would be helpful.The convener has asked about the procurement process, so I will not rehearse the arguments that were made by Michael Levack or those that the convener mentioned. However, you talked about the £2.5 billion for NPD spend that was announced in November 2010....
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
Long before the economic crash, we had PFI and public-private partnerships. At that time, the then wanting-to-be Scottish Government had a not-so-clear plan about what it was going to introduce. NPD was always something that was going to happen and, for decades, it has sat alo...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
Just for clarity, how many of the NPD projects were delivered on the ground in 2012?
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
How many jobs would have been supported if NPD had been delivered according to the programme?
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
20 Feb 2013
Capital Projects
The west coast main line is not in the NPD programme. As a transport minister, I thought that the member might have been aware of that, but never mind.In relation to schools, £119 million was supposed to be spent this year, but nil is being spent. We have not had a single reas...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
22 Jan 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
Let me begin in the spirit of consensus by agreeing with something that the cabinet secretary said in his opening speech. When he was intervened on by Ken Macintosh, who talked about £300 million being cut from NPD spend, Mr Swinney said that Mr Macintosh was talking utter non...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
22 Jan 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
It is awful that Mr Gibson might have been misquoted. I therefore give him the chance to correct the Official Report: is he impressed by the rate of progress of the NPD pipeline?
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
22 Jan 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I will respond to a couple of points that were made in the debate before I move on to focus specifically on the NPD model, which really ought to be examined more closely than it has been in some of the soundbites that we have heard thus far, parti...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
06 Feb 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
On the NPD point, the cabinet secretary keeps talking about procurement, but how much will be delivered on the ground in 2013-14?
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
06 Feb 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
The vuvuzelas are in full flight this afternoon. If they would be quiet, I would happily answer the question. The Scottish Government’s response to all this is to set up the NPD programme to replace the public-private partnership/private finance initiative programme that it de...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
06 Feb 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
That is absolutely desperate stuff from Mr McDonald—anything to take the focus away from the Government, its priorities and the choices it has made. Nobody on this side of the chamber has said that a £7 million increase is generous, but it is a cash-terms increase compared wit...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
06 Feb 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for giving way. He knows full well that we would pay for the housing through Scottish Water’s mutualisation, which would save £100 million a year. However, will he finally admit that what he told this chamber in September about accelerati...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
05 Feb 2013
Topical Question Time · Infrastructure Projects (Progress)
The cabinet secretary said that NPD progress will “speed up” over the next few years. It could hardly slow down over the next few years.Why was nothing spent on the schools programme in 2011-12? Why was nothing spent this financial year when £119 million was predicted? Why wil...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Committee
30 Oct 2013
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2014-15
As part of the budget, the Scottish Government produced a table of the most up-to-date estimated capital profile for the NPD pipeline. That came out fairly early in September. Is it still the most up-to-date profile, or have there been changes to it in the past two months?
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
09 Oct 2013
Portfolio Question Time · Non-profit-distributing Model Spending
This year’s planned NPD investment sees a drop from £338 million to £185 million. What percentage of that drop can be attributed to savings?
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
12 Jun 2014
General Question Time · Capital Investment (Non-profit Distribution Finance)
Almost four years on from the NPD pipeline being announced, can the cabinet secretary tell us how many of the 47 projects are built and operational?
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
19 Dec 2013
Draft Budget 2014-15
I look forward to seeing the Government’s written response to the Finance Committee’s report. The cabinet secretary makes a fair suggestion. He has thrown down the gauntlet to committees and others. Although I would not say that there are no linkages whatever, I think that the...
Gavin Brown (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
01 Apr 2014
United Kingdom Budget 2014
I, too, thank the cabinet secretary for the advance copy of his statement. If the Scottish Government’s NPD promises are to be credible, they have to deliver on the ground, today. The Scottish Government said that, for 2013-14, it would deliver £330 million-worth of projects ...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
08 Jan 2014
Scotland’s Economy
Three letters—NPD—undermine the entire case that Mr Swinney makes.
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
08 Jan 2014
Scotland’s Economy
From a sedentary position, Mr Neil shouted, “Rubbish,” when I said the letters “NPD”. He was in charge of it for several years, so we will take no lessons from him. Interruption.
Gavin Brown Con Committee
05 Nov 2014
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2015-16
I will not ask you for specifics. NPD projects are also mentioned in your report. Alongside your submission is a letter that you wrote to John Swinney on 7 October. The 2013-14 figure in the table in the letter is £177 million actual. Is that a best-guess actual or is the ac...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 22 January 2013

22 Jan 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
I merely make the point to reflect that a £2 billion increase can hardly be described as “savage cuts”, as Kenneth Gibson and most of his colleagues try to put it.

College cuts also featured heavily in speeches across all parties in the chamber, apart from the Scottish National Party, whose members all seem to be very happy and satisfied with those cuts.

Chic Brodie was particularly helpful to the Opposition cause when he said that those who complain are simply “bleating” about cuts and shouted out, “I say this”—with some kind of pseudo-profundity—“any country that does not change and manage efficiency will die.” If the cabinet secretary listens to Opposition members and increases the colleges budget, will Mr Brodie go along with that and welcome it at stage 3 of the budget, or will he criticise Mr Swinney for listening to those who were bleating during the course of the debate?

Let us return to the NPD model and to capital spend. This Government has talked a very good game about capital spend for the past couple of years, but it has not been quite so strong on delivery. In September, when the budget was announced, the cabinet secretary not only failed to tell us that things had been delayed—not by months, but by years—but he actually said that he was “accelerating” NPD. Not only was the NPD pipeline delivering but he was accelerating what the pipeline was achieving, which is a curious interpretation of “accelerating”.

The cabinet secretary went on to say that he is “not disappointed” at all with the results and that the NPD model is so good that others want to copy it.

In response to the Finance Committee yesterday, the Scottish Government quite rightly made the point that an

“additional £100 million of capital spending supports around 1,400 jobs in the Scottish economy”.

How does that compare with the figures on the ground? In 2011-12, the Scottish Government said that £50 million to £150 million would be spent through the NPD pipeline. How much was spent? Absolutely nothing. I ask the cabinet secretary: based on his £100 million figure, how many jobs did the inactivity and sloth-like performance of the Government cost the Scottish economy?

In 2012-13, the Government said that approximately £350 million would be spent. It turned out that that figure would not be £350 million but £20 million. Of course, last week the Finance Committee heard that it might not be £20 million in practice—it remains to be seen. If we get £20 million instead of £350 million, how many jobs will that cost the Scottish economy?

We have had every excuse under the sun for that inactivity: allegedly, it was the Aberdeen western peripheral route but, from the Government’s response to the Finance Committee yesterday, that turns out not be correct. We heard Kenneth Gibson say that everybody knows that it takes 18 months for an NPD project to come on site—everybody apart from the Scottish Government, it would seem. The NPD pipeline was announced in November 2010, which was 26 months ago. In that time, we saw nothing in the first year, we saw £20 million in the second year and next year it is predicted that, at best, we will see about half of what the Government projected.

That is not good enough. This Government has some significant movement to make over the next couple of weeks before stage 3.

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