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Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con Chamber
25 Jun 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I begin by declaring that I used to be a practising solicitor. I am retained on the roll of solicitors by the Law Society of Scotland and I have been involved in a number of arbitrations, although I do not stand to benefit personally from the bill. Despite the many good points...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con Chamber
18 Nov 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill
I declare that I used to be a practising solicitor conducting arbitration and that I am retained on the roll of solicitors, although I do not think that I stand to gain personally from the bill. I thank the clerks to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, who were extremel...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
03 Jun 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I will not press the point, but I make a plea to the Government to continue to visit the issue all the way to stage 3. If the rules make arbitration faster, they will be fantastic; if they do not make arbitration significantly faster, I question how big an impact they will hav...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con Committee
27 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill:<br />Stage 1
I will get into the nuts and bolts of some of the rules and provisions in the bill, but I first have a narrow question for the CIArb. On domestic arbitrations, the CIArb's written submission estimates that there are currently about—plus or minus a few—50 commercial arbitration...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I can see how reducing the ability to go to the courts would save time, particularly in stated-case procedure arbitrations. However, in connection with simply placing a duty on people, is it the Scottish Government's view that there is a lot of unnecessary delay in arbitration...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
Thank you for clearing that up, convener. There has been a debate about the model law.However, my question remains: if the main group that has conducted international arbitrations in Scotland says that the bill does not achieve what it set out to achieve on international arbit...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
03 Jun 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
The purposes behind the bill are sound and reasonable and its principles have broad support. If nothing else, it is positive to codify the law in one place and sharpen it, perhaps while learning some lessons from the 1996 act south of the border.However, if arbitration is to h...
Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I want to say a couple of things before I ask my questions. First, I declare that, as a solicitor—I am still on the roll of solicitors—I used to conduct arbitrations, although I have not done an arbitration since 2002, and I can confirm that I have absolutely no plans to do an...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I have not seen many cases that have been conducted and completed in less than two years; that is rare in commercial arbitrations. From what you have said, I cannot see how arbitration will necessarily be cheaper. If you go to the Court of Session, you do not pay for the judge...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
You referred in your opening statement to the Scottish Council for International Arbitration, with which Fergus Ewing has held meetings. I think you suggested that its members are possibly the only people who conduct international arbitrations.
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I accept the argument that some countries have the model law and are successful, whereas others do not have the model law and are equally successful. However, if the primary group that has conducted international arbitrations tells the committee, blatantly, that the measures w...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
Another plank of the Government's aims is low-cost arbitrations. Some trades and professions already have their own low-cost arbitration schemes—you mentioned the ABTA scheme—but have any others committed to introduce such schemes?
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
20 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
There are some low-cost arbitrations at present. For example, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders Ltd, from which we received written evidence, has a simple, straightforward scheme. Will the bill make low-cost schemes more complicated? Will the 25 or 26 mandatory ru...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
27 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill:<br />Stage 1
Following the implementation of the 1996 act south of the border, did the number of arbitrations increase dramatically?
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
27 May 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill:<br />Stage 1
I trust that Mr Dundas is prepared to sign a contract to bring all his arbitrations from Singapore to Scotland in future.Rule 45 talks of the power of an arbitrator to award damages—something that I think does not exist in Scots law at present. It is a default rule. In some su...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
03 Jun 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
That is what I was pressing for.Another possible blind spot for the Government became evident during our evidence session last week with the Faculty of Advocates and the Law Society. Naturally, given that the Minister for Enterprise, Energy and Tourism is the member in charge ...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
03 Jun 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I accept that you will discuss specific provisions with the legal experts, which is helpful, but I have a question about the rule that gives the arbiter the power to award damages. That represents a step change, which is welcome from a commercial point of view. As I understand...
Gavin Brown: Con Committee
30 Sep 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill
Yes. We raised a couple of issues last time. One was in relation to our original recommendation 2, which referred to the retrospective transitional provisions, I suppose, of the bill. Jim Mather's amendment 60, which applies to after section 33, seems to take care of the issue...
Gavin Brown Con Chamber
27 Oct 2015
Apologies (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This has been a short but particularly useful debate in which all parties in the chamber have taken a responsible and reasonable approach. Clearly, the minister and other members are in listening mode, so this stage 1 debate has been helpful in that regard. Everyone supports ...
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Chamber

Plenary, 25 Jun 2009

25 Jun 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
I begin by declaring that I used to be a practising solicitor. I am retained on the roll of solicitors by the Law Society of Scotland and I have been involved in a number of arbitrations, although I do not stand to benefit personally from the bill. Despite the many good points in the bill and the enthusiasm of the minister, I have no intention of returning to arbitration, in either the near or the distant future.

I thank the clerks to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee, who did an excellent job in pulling together the stage 1 report under difficult time constraints.

The Scottish Conservatives fully support the principles of the bill. There is much to be said for codifying arbitration law. Arbitration has been with us in Scotland for many hundreds of years. Some people suggest that it predates our court system. Despite the court system then coming into use, arbitration remained popular. Over a period of several hundred years, case law developed in a fairly piecemeal fashion, with a couple of statutes along the way. The benefit of the bill before us is that it pulls the law together, codifying it in one statute. It modernises and tidies up the law in various areas, and it produces a more dynamic offering. If arbitration is to be successful, a more dynamic offering is definitely required.

If the bill is truly to meet its goals, arbitration must become faster and cheaper, and those two factors are directly related. Arbitration was popular in the past as it was fast, cheap and confidential, and because parties were able to remit their dispute to a man of skill. Over the past couple of decades, arbitration has become very slow. As a consequence, it is now sometimes more expensive than going to court. In going to court, people do not have to pay directly for the services of the judge; they do have to pay directly for the services of an arbitrator, however.

Parts of the bill will make the process faster. I like rule 23 of the Scottish arbitration rules set out in schedule 1. It puts a positive obligation on the arbitrator; it imposes a duty to

"conduct the arbitration … without unnecessary delay, and … without incurring unnecessary expense."

That sets out how the arbitrator should go about their business.

The ending of the stated case procedure, which was brought into force in 1972, should unblock many arbitrations in the future. The stated case procedure allows parties to go to the Court of Session on a point of law before the arbitration can proceed. It is a great idea in principle but, over the decades, many spurious applications have been made to the courts, thereby delaying arbitrations by months and, in some cases, years.

Those two measures, together with the fact that a bill is actually proceeding, might help to produce a culture change in arbitration in Scotland, which could itself speed the process up.

Despite all those things, I ask the minister and his team to do absolutely everything in their power between now and stage 3 to find anything else that they can to speed up arbitration. The bill, and arbitration in Scotland, will stand or fall on whether we can make the process faster and cheaper. If we can, arbitration could have a pretty bright future in Scotland, both domestically and in terms of bringing in international arbitration. If the bill does not do that, I will be seriously worried about the future of arbitration.

We have heard about the economic aspects. There is no doubt in my mind that the bill will bring economic benefit. It can save court time, and I think that there will be an increase in the uptake of arbitrations. At the moment, there are only 50 commercial arbitrations a year in Scotland, and about 250 consumer-related arbitrations. As well as the economic benefit, I am sure that there will be an increase in the number of international arbitrations that come here. The important point, which every member has touched on in the debate so far, is how big the economic bonus will be. I take the minister's point—he said that it is important not to overstate the case—but I think that it was overstated in the financial memorandum. There is obviously a big difference between £3 billion, which arbitration was originally believed to be worth to the City of London, and the figure of £250 million, which is probably what it is actually worth to the City. The 10 per cent figure is a nice easy way to calculate what arbitration might be worth to Scotland, but 10 per cent of the value of arbitrations conducted in London will not simply gravitate to Scotland. That will take a great deal of effort, time and, no doubt, investment, because London is a well-established international centre of arbitration. I am sure that we will get some arbitrations just by passing the bill, but a great deal of effort will be required if we are serious about getting anywhere near 10 per cent.

The minister mentioned the two additional meetings that need to be held. There were two blind spots in the Government's consultation process. Not enough work was done with consumers, especially on low-cost arbitrations, which function fairly well in practice at the moment. I am concerned about the impact of foisting 25 mandatory rules on such arbitrations. I am not sure that that issue was taken fully into account, because the bill looks as if it was drafted with commercial arbitrations in mind. I welcome the minister's commitment to pursue the matter and look forward to seeing the results of the meeting to which he referred.

There will also be a meeting with legal experts to examine the drafting and some unintended consequences of the proposals. For example, the bill will give the arbitrator a power akin to interdict. Breaching an interdict that is issued by a court of law is a criminal offence, but we do not know whether breaching an interdict-type measure handed down by an arbitrator will be an offence.

We see what the Government is trying to do in the confidentiality provisions. However, if after the arbitration there is a question of law to be determined by a court and the court breaches the confidentiality rule, either intentionally or unintentionally, what will the consequences be? What action can be taken against a judge if confidentiality is breached? Has the matter been thought through?

Various other rules have been mentioned. Rules 45 and 46 concern the power to award damages and the power to award interest from the due date. There is a disparity in bargaining power—especially in the world of construction, which is the source of many arbitrations—between the employer or person funding the project and the contractor, and between the contractor and the subcontractors. When projects go out to tender, it is easy for the stronger party to say to people that they have no chance of getting the job unless they agree to a default rule being scrubbed out completely. The Government recognises that unfair bargaining power in rule 50. Why does the same argument not apply to rules 45 and 46?

The issue of commencement is important. Clearly, the bill will not apply to arbitrations that are already under way. Will it apply to contracts that have been signed but for which no arbitration has begun? Under the bill as it stands, it appears that those contracts would be affected, which would be a retrospective application of the law. The general principle in Scots law is that retrospective application is undesirable. Where we apply the law retrospectively, we must have strong reasons for doing so. When the parties signed up to their contracts, they agreed an arbitration clause and a set of rules, but the bill would impose at least 25 mandatory rules on them.

We support the general principles of the bill, but there is work to be done. So far the Government has shown itself to be willing to move and to do that work. I look forward to considering the bill at stage 2.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman): Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-4465, in the name of Jim Mather, on the Arbitration (Scotland) Bill.
The Minister for Enterprise, Energy and Tourism (Jim Mather): SNP
I am delighted to open the debate on the principles of the long-awaited Arbitration (Scotland) Bill. I say "long-awaited" because the possibility of legislat...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Lab
I call on Iain Smith to speak on behalf of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee.
Iain Smith (North East Fife) (LD): LD
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Lewis Macdonald (Aberdeen Central) (Lab): Lab
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Gavin Brown (Lothians) (Con): Con
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Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
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Ms Wendy Alexander (Paisley North) (Lab): Lab
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Stuart McMillan (West of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
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Iain Smith: LD
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Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
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John Park (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab): Lab
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Jim Mather: SNP
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