Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 23 January 2013
23 Jan 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fuel Poverty
I hope that Jamie Hepburn will join me in welcoming the action that the coalition Government is taking to increase the tax breaks for the least well-off in society, who will pay less tax on their income. Of course, as Liam McArthur fairly said, we have heard no alternative to welfare reform from SNP members, and they have proposed no ideas about where the money would come from if savings are not made. Would they borrow more money or would they cut spending elsewhere? We simply do not know.
There has been a rich irony in the debate, with SNP members on the one hand having to rely on high oil prices to fill the fiscal black hole that would exist in an independent Scotland and on the other realising that high oil prices cause fuel poverty. They cannot have it both ways, and they should stop passing the blame on to Westminster.
We cannot have this debate without looking at the cost of energy and the sources of energy. I commend to the chamber the excellent work of the economist Professor Gordon Hughes from the University of Edinburgh, who has looked at the relative costs and different means of producing electricity. It is clear from that work that intermittent wind power carries a high cost—a cost that has to be borne by the consumer.
The Scottish Government’s obsession with wind-based energy policy is not only blanketing our countryside with wind turbines, but contributing to fuel poverty. Every electricity bill includes a rapidly increasing levy to pay for the subsidies for wind turbines. Every time we hear someone evangelising on behalf of the wind power industry—we hear that all the time from those on the SNP benches—let us remember that that industry is built on increasing fuel poverty. Every time we hear wind farm developers talking about the sums that they pay out in community benefit, let us remember that every penny of that community benefit is being robbed from the public, many of whom can barely afford to heat their own homes.
The UK Committee on Climate Change looked at the impact on bills in the long term based on different technologies. According to a recent report, electricity costs could go up 68 per cent by 2050 if we rely on gas, and by 210 per cent if we rely on renewables. It goes without saying that there is, of course, an unpredictability to fossil fuel costs, but the United States has seen a substantial fall in the cost of gas, with wholesale prices falling by more than 50 per cent as a result of the exploitation of shale gas and consequent reductions in household bills. Moreover, in the States there has been a reduction in CO2 emissions because of the displacement of coal as a means of producing electricity. There is a cost to the SNP Government’s fixation with wind power policy.
What else can be done to tackle the problem? The UK Government is to be commended for the approach that it has set out in the Energy Bill, which would require energy companies to help customers get on the best energy tariff and to promote energy efficiency through electricity demand reduction. We know that there are far too many different tariffs available and that the picture is far too confused. John Wilson delivered a very good speech in which he highlighted that particular problem. The issue needs to be simplified, and the UK Government’s action on that front is welcome. Like Liam McArthur, I welcome that as a major step forward.
The Scottish Government has responsibilities in that area, too. During its evidence-taking sessions on the Scottish Government’s draft budget, the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee heard that £200 million each year is required to meet the 2016 target. As we have heard, the Scottish Government has allocated £65 million—one third of the required sum—and expects the rest to come from the energy companies. It is unclear to what extent the various measures that the Scottish Government is proposing are being targeted on the fuel poor as opposed to those who simply wish to reduce their fuel bills and improve energy efficiency.
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth ducked the issue in his response to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee’s budget report, so we need greater clarity from the Scottish Government about what exactly is on offer.
Much more needs to be done to promote energy efficiency. That is covered in the UK Energy Bill. The cheapest energy of all is that which is not used. A wide range of programmes are currently available to consumers, but the landscape is confused and much more needs to be done to simplify it.
In addition, there is the green council tax discount, which the Scottish Conservatives were instrumental in having introduced, but its take-up rate is woefully low and there is very little public awareness of the scheme. Much more needs to be done to encourage local authorities to make use of it, and to incentivise householders to improve the energy efficiency of their homes.
It is simply not good enough for the Scottish Government to give Westminster all the blame for the lack of progress. Through the Energy Bill, Westminster has already signalled that it is taking action in this area. The Scottish Government now needs to pull its weight, end its fixation with wind power, clarify its contribution to fighting poverty and promote energy efficiency. Under the Housing (Scotland) Act 2001, it has a statutory duty to eradicate fuel poverty. It need not think that it will get itself off the hook by trying to blame someone else.
16:21
There has been a rich irony in the debate, with SNP members on the one hand having to rely on high oil prices to fill the fiscal black hole that would exist in an independent Scotland and on the other realising that high oil prices cause fuel poverty. They cannot have it both ways, and they should stop passing the blame on to Westminster.
We cannot have this debate without looking at the cost of energy and the sources of energy. I commend to the chamber the excellent work of the economist Professor Gordon Hughes from the University of Edinburgh, who has looked at the relative costs and different means of producing electricity. It is clear from that work that intermittent wind power carries a high cost—a cost that has to be borne by the consumer.
The Scottish Government’s obsession with wind-based energy policy is not only blanketing our countryside with wind turbines, but contributing to fuel poverty. Every electricity bill includes a rapidly increasing levy to pay for the subsidies for wind turbines. Every time we hear someone evangelising on behalf of the wind power industry—we hear that all the time from those on the SNP benches—let us remember that that industry is built on increasing fuel poverty. Every time we hear wind farm developers talking about the sums that they pay out in community benefit, let us remember that every penny of that community benefit is being robbed from the public, many of whom can barely afford to heat their own homes.
The UK Committee on Climate Change looked at the impact on bills in the long term based on different technologies. According to a recent report, electricity costs could go up 68 per cent by 2050 if we rely on gas, and by 210 per cent if we rely on renewables. It goes without saying that there is, of course, an unpredictability to fossil fuel costs, but the United States has seen a substantial fall in the cost of gas, with wholesale prices falling by more than 50 per cent as a result of the exploitation of shale gas and consequent reductions in household bills. Moreover, in the States there has been a reduction in CO2 emissions because of the displacement of coal as a means of producing electricity. There is a cost to the SNP Government’s fixation with wind power policy.
What else can be done to tackle the problem? The UK Government is to be commended for the approach that it has set out in the Energy Bill, which would require energy companies to help customers get on the best energy tariff and to promote energy efficiency through electricity demand reduction. We know that there are far too many different tariffs available and that the picture is far too confused. John Wilson delivered a very good speech in which he highlighted that particular problem. The issue needs to be simplified, and the UK Government’s action on that front is welcome. Like Liam McArthur, I welcome that as a major step forward.
The Scottish Government has responsibilities in that area, too. During its evidence-taking sessions on the Scottish Government’s draft budget, the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee heard that £200 million each year is required to meet the 2016 target. As we have heard, the Scottish Government has allocated £65 million—one third of the required sum—and expects the rest to come from the energy companies. It is unclear to what extent the various measures that the Scottish Government is proposing are being targeted on the fuel poor as opposed to those who simply wish to reduce their fuel bills and improve energy efficiency.
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth ducked the issue in his response to the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee’s budget report, so we need greater clarity from the Scottish Government about what exactly is on offer.
Much more needs to be done to promote energy efficiency. That is covered in the UK Energy Bill. The cheapest energy of all is that which is not used. A wide range of programmes are currently available to consumers, but the landscape is confused and much more needs to be done to simplify it.
In addition, there is the green council tax discount, which the Scottish Conservatives were instrumental in having introduced, but its take-up rate is woefully low and there is very little public awareness of the scheme. Much more needs to be done to encourage local authorities to make use of it, and to incentivise householders to improve the energy efficiency of their homes.
It is simply not good enough for the Scottish Government to give Westminster all the blame for the lack of progress. Through the Energy Bill, Westminster has already signalled that it is taking action in this area. The Scottish Government now needs to pull its weight, end its fixation with wind power, clarify its contribution to fighting poverty and promote energy efficiency. Under the Housing (Scotland) Act 2001, it has a statutory duty to eradicate fuel poverty. It need not think that it will get itself off the hook by trying to blame someone else.
16:21
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-05424, in the name of Margaret Burgess, on tackling fuel poverty.14:41
The Minister for Housing and Welfare (Margaret Burgess)
SNP
I welcome the opportunity to reconfirm to the Parliament the Scottish Government’s commitment to tackling fuel poverty. The most recent fuel poverty figures ...
Jim Eadie (Edinburgh Southern) (SNP)
SNP
Is the minister aware that there are older people who are being cold called by companies that are not approved installers of the Scottish Government’s insula...
Margaret Burgess
SNP
I thank the member for that question, which concerns a matter that I have already taken up with the Energy Saving Trust and officials. There is a real concer...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
Green
I have spent quite some time over many years trying to persuade the Government to adopt a national approach to retrofitting the housing stock for energy effi...
Margaret Burgess
SNP
We introduced the pilots because of the Department of Energy and Climate Change’s delays in telling us how the energy company obligation will work and how to...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab)
Lab
Does the minister agree with the Energy Saving Trust’s view that, although there is a need for the national retrofit programme, there is also a need for a su...
Margaret Burgess
SNP
I was coming to that point on the next page of my speech. We are aware of the Energy Saving Trust’s view in that regard. The Government and I are keen to ens...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
The recent severe weather conditions and freezing temperatures remind us of the acute need to tackle fuel poverty in Scotland. We live in a time of increasin...
Margaret Burgess
SNP
That is a good thing.
Richard Baker
Lab
That should indeed be a good thing, as the minister has chosen to say from a sedentary position, but that is why we call on ministers to provide an update to...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
With increasing domestic energy costs, fuel poverty is never far from the top of the political agenda—and rightly so.It is invidious that households on modes...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone
Con
Not at this stage.The Scottish Government’s motion makes reference to the national retrofit programme. I whole-heartedly support the NRP but, in reality, I a...
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Will the member take an intervention now?
Alex Johnstone
Con
If Stewart Stevenson insists.
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
I am delighted to hear the member talk about renewables, but is he aware that between 80 and 90 per cent of recent rises in domestic energy bills are attribu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I will compensate you for taking that intervention, Mr Johnstone.
Alex Johnstone
Con
I hate to imagine what the tax take would need to be to finance the independent Scotland that the gentleman seems so keen to create.I believe that the most p...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alex Johnstone
Con
No, thank you.In this Parliament, we regularly address the issue of fuel poverty, which falls within the ambit of the Scottish Government’s responsibilities,...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD)
LD
I certainly welcome this latest debate on fuel poverty, although I regret the way in which the Government and the minister have chosen to frame it.Just as th...
Annabelle Ewing (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)
SNP
The member referred to the fact that Orkney is off the gas grid and to the hardship that faces struggling pensioners, in particular, with their sky-high fuel...
Liam McArthur
LD
The reasons for that are not necessarily ones that I am privy to. Nevertheless, it was interesting that the member’s colleague, Stewart Stevenson, vaunted th...
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
The member is misrepresenting me. Will he give way?
Liam McArthur
LD
I would encourage—
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Come on.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Order.
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
He named me.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Mr Stevenson. Order.