Committee
Education and Skills Committee 09 January 2019
09 Jan 2019 · S5 · Education and Skills Committee
Item of business
Scottish National Standardised Assessments Inquiry
Okay. It was an unfair question about the one tenth. The point is, how important are the assessments? That is the point that Alasdair Allan has been driving at. What the EIS says rather supports your contention that we are all getting too obsessed with the assessments. It says that only one tenth of the skills and knowledge that a pupil gains at each CFE level is helped by the assessments.
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The Convener
SNP
Agenda item 3 is the Scottish national standardised assessments inquiry. This is the first week of our inquiry and we will hear from a panel of witnesses tha...
Mhairi Shaw (Association of Directors of Education in Scotland)
Good morning, convener. I am a director of education and oversee SNSAs in East Renfrewshire; I am not directly involved in them. As a member of ADES, I conti...
Juliette Mendelovits (Australian Council for Educational Research)
Until October 2018, I was the research director and general manager of ACER UK, which is a registered company in the United Kingdom and a wholly-owned subsid...
Professor Sue Ellis (University of Strathclyde)
I was involved in early meetings about assessment as a result of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report on “Closing the attainment gap in Scottish schools”. I...
Professor Christine Merrell (Durham University)
Until 1 July 2018, I was director of research in Durham University’s centre for evaluation and monitoring, which provides standardised assessments as part of...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you.
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
Before we get into the detail of the evidence that the witnesses have submitted, I note that the Parliament is generally interested in the criteria that make...
Professor Merrell
First and foremost, we have to consider the needs of stakeholders and establish the primary purpose of the assessments, before we get into the technical deta...
Professor Ellis
We have to start with the idea that any assessment is a tool and that it takes time for professionals to learn how to use it; how to use it well; what it can...
Mhairi Shaw
The criteria have to be based on what will make learning and teaching better; any information should help to inform teachers and young people and children an...
Juliette Mendelovits
I suppose that the focus of Liz Smith’s question was on assuring the community of the quality of the assessments. In that respect, the quality of the assessm...
Liz Smith
Con
Thank you. My colleagues will go into some of those specific aspects. My second question has two parts. First, do you feel that there is a set of data that ...
Professor Ellis
I go in and out of local authorities and schools a lot and I talk to teachers, headteachers, local authority improvement officers and directors of education....
Liz Smith
Con
Would you equate the term “unethical” with “misuse”? Is that what you are saying?
Professor Ellis
Yes. Some of the uses of standardised tests and non-standardised tests—local authority-devised tests—that I see happening in schools are not ethical. I see t...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
May I ask a question?
The Convener
SNP
I want to let the other panel members respond before I bring you in, Ms Lamont. Does anyone else want to respond to that point?
Liz Smith
Con
Is there any more data that we need that we do not have?
Professor Merrell
Yes, there is a lot. Are you thinking about what schools need or what could be done in the Government?
Liz Smith
Con
I am thinking of what the schools need, because they deliver the assessments. Is there any data that you think is missing when it comes to our ability to pro...
Professor Merrell
Assessments can be done at time points that are different from those for the national assessments. I have examples of schools that do that. They collect info...
Liz Smith
Con
That will give good results, which is the key thing. The nub of the issue is which assessment process is giving the best results.
Professor Merrell
Yes. That system is giving the best results, and it is not too onerous on the child or the teacher. That was one nice example. As we go up through the prima...
Professor Ellis
That matters when schools respond to data in ways that are not appropriate.
Juliette Mendelovits
One piece of information that will be really useful to schools and the wider education community is the mapping of progress over time. That work has been ini...
Johann Lamont
Lab
On the question of whether something is ethical, if it is not ethical to get information about a child and decide how you then support a child, or presume ho...
Professor Ellis
Any short assessment can give you only a snapshot of where a child is at that one time. If you use that snapshot to make systemic changes to how that child i...
Johann Lamont
Lab
The concern is therefore not about the support but about the child not being able to move on from the support.
Professor Ellis
The school that I have seen making the best use of standardised assessment is in Woodlands primary school in Linwood. It makes hard use of assessment data to...
Johann Lamont
Lab
Would that not be true of standardised assessments as well?