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Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
I am grateful that I have been invited to attend the committee to deal with the complex and difficult matter of the water industry. We have a duty to explore all the options. I hope that the committee will be able to give us advice on the options, proposals and challenges that...
The Minister for Environment, Sport and Culture (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
Thank you for inviting me back to the committee to discuss the water industry, particularly now that you have taken evidence from many others. I begin with a word of explanation and a slight apology. I realise that, by now, the committee was expecting to have a consultation pa...
The Minister for Environment, Sport and Culture (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
15 Nov 2000
Water and Sewerage Charges
Earlier this year, Sarah Boyack announced that the Executive would look at ways of helping those on lower incomes to deal with increases in water and sewerage charges. That announcement reflected our concern about the impact of the increases on vulnerable groups in the communi...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
The water authorities have been given freedom in certain operational matters. Accountability is mostly ensured through the quality and standards process, which reflects the views of the industry commissioners and the Executive. We consider the standards required and the requir...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
A host of management services are involved. Authorities could manage the services within the system, regulate water cutback in the water supply and determine how waste is handled and water is recycled in the plants. All those services are delivered by outside contractors, whic...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Nov 2000
Water and Sewerage Charges
Those figures illustrate the strengths of the current arrangements in protecting most lower-income households from the worst of recent increases. However, the arrangements provide less assistance to two groups of lower-income households.First, we must consider those who live i...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
Under the water framework directive, water extraction will have to come under some sort of regulation and control. We have never regulated and controlled the extraction of water anywhere in Scotland, by the water authorities or anyone, because we have always had a plentiful su...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
I would like to talk about employment, because it is important. As I have often said, none of us is here to have people losing their jobs. Let me repeat what I said in my statement: I intend that the change will be made in full consultation with all staff and with their full i...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
There is a way to mitigate that—the water authorities will insert the meter free of charge. The Local Government etc (Scotland) Act 1994 places a duty on authorities not to favour any particular customer. That applies to charities. The granting of charity relief—which, because...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
To a limited extent, water authorities can move into other areas. However, you are right. In the regulations under which the water authorities operate, the powers—what the authorities can and cannot do—are expressed in a restrictive way. We would certainly wish to consider giv...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
Obviously, we are considering that, but there is no way of doing it immediately. Some sort of statutory regulation will be required, and we are considering that. The end solution will come when we incorporate the water framework directive into statute. Because we never had the...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
What you say about the huge increases is correct. As I said to Murray Tosh, they simply reflect the fact that we have not invested in our water industry in the past century. The industry has been in a poor state of repair, so we have been forced to implement those increases. T...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Nov 2000
Water and Sewerage Charges
I am grateful to John Young for his support. I know that he has been a great defender of the public water supply and has opposed the Conservative party's plans to privatise the industry. I am sure that local authorities will hear what he says about including water rate figures...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
As a general principle, I would not like to exempt the authorities, because competition will be of advantage. That is the water authorities' view, too. We do not want to adopt a fortress Scotland view. If we ignore competition, my great fear is that the big non-domestic users ...
The Minister for Children and Education (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
12 Jan 2000
Children and Young People
In this debate—in which I will truncate my speech—I wish to consider the policies that are in place to help improve the lot of looked-after children. We can then look forward to some future developments that will make a difference in raising the status, self-esteem and life ch...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Jun 2000
Early Education and Child Care
We will consult widely on the outcomes. It is important that we concentrate on outcomes. Too much attention has been paid to physical inputs—the number of people, spaces and so on. Although the physical inputs are important, it is the experience and the outcomes that are impor...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
I am not trying to dodge the question. A group that includes the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, the water authorities and the Executive is meeting in the new year to deal with the issues that you have raised. When ministers set up a group to consider an issue, they ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
Disconnection is illegal in both Scotland and England. That is a difficult question and I would welcome the committee's thoughts on the matter. One option is to separate council tax and water charges. There are no easy answers. We are not going to stop people's water or meter ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Nov 2000
Water and Sewerage Charges
I thank the member for correcting me. Now the nationalists cannot accuse me of lying and misleading the chamber. They did not notice my mistake, as they come to the chamber with set questions. Never mind.John Scott asks a very good question about businesses. One of the options...
The Minister for Children and Education (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
15 Jun 2000
Early Education and Child Care
Last November, the Parliament held a debate on child care strategy. The Parliament confirmed its support for the strategy and the substantial funding package that accompanies it. The strategy was devised to meet the needs of all Scotland's children. It commits the Executive to...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
There are always cross-subsidies in the water industry, as in any national industry. Within water authorities, customers in higher bands cross-subsidise those in the lower bands and non-domestic users cross-subsidise domestic users. There are huge cross-subsidies. I am saying ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
You are absolutely right. My officials are meeting the chief executives of the water authorities this afternoon, and I have arranged to meet the chairmen soon to discuss the issue. I hope that we can build a consensus. There are systems for putting the structure in place, but ...
The Minister for Children and Education (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
23 Jun 1999
Education Bill (Consultation)
I would like to make a statement on the procedures that will be adopted to ensure that there is full public consultation on our proposals in the forthcoming education improvement bill. I intend to launch the consultation during the first week of July. I should make it clear fi...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
I want people to have choice, but I want them to choose us. It is my job to ensure that they do so, and that is what the water authorities want. We give people a service. That means charges, but it also means that the authorities have been more customer friendly in the service...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
I understand. We have no plans to do that. If money did not come from anywhere, we would have had to take expenses from elsewhere. You were right about what I said last time I gave evidence to the committee. A dowry of £1.5 billion was paid to the authorities down south. Ours ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
The authorities can certainly make that information available to you. The reason why I referred only to the future was that, if the water authorities are faced with the turmoil of going from three into one, I want them to concentrate on that—I had no sinister reason. We went t...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
18 Jan 2001
Question Time · Water Industry
The member might not like what I am saying, but he should listen to it. It is not a question of exempting the water authorities from competition—competition is here already. Every day, the water authorities are under attack from companies that wish to take over their powers. I...
The Minister for Environment, Sport and Culture (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
01 Feb 2001
Question Time · Waste Water Treatment
Under the Security and Emergency Measures (Water and Sewerage Authorities) (Scotland) Direction 1998, water authorities have the responsibility to plan for emergencies at existing and new works.
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
Nothing immediately comes to mind. I cannot bring in legislation immediately to stop people sinking boreholes. That will come when we incorporate the water framework directive. If any water authority suggested ways in which we could help in the short term, we would consider th...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
The water framework directive is an environmental action plan; the urban waste water treatment directive is an environmental action plan. We prepare the means by which we will implement the directives. The Executive has good control of that from the centre. I would like to kee...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
We own the industry, but we do not manage it. That is important. I am not saying anything against civil servants, but it is not a good idea for the Government to manage industries. That is why others manage the water industry.As the committee will have seen from our water qual...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Nov 2000
Water and Sewerage Charges
It is a fixed decision because of the level at which we have set the cap. In the west of Scotland, people paying council tax in band A pay less than the amount at which water bills will be capped, so it is not necessary for them to be included in the scheme. Currently they pay...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Nov 2000
Water and Sewerage Charges
If it is not a soundbite, it is a scare story from the SNP.We are introducing a significant contribution to the payment of water bills for the most vulnerable and all we get is carping, once again. The measure is not retrospective because it is for the next three years. It has...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
18 Jan 2001
Question Time · Water Industry
As I said when I appeared before the Transport and the Environment Committee, I have not ruled out the possibility of a single water authority. However, before making any proposals on that, I would want to be sure that such a proposition would in no way damage the competitive ...
The Minister for Children and Education (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
17 Nov 1999
Child Care Strategy
Thank you, Presiding Officer.I hope that we will not find too much difference among the parties in this debate; that is reflected in the amendment lodged by the Scottish National party. I would have liked to accept the amendment—I would have done so for the second part—but the...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
09 Nov 2000
Sport
With the continued and significant increase in funding for education that we have made available, local authorities should be able to do all the things that Ms MacDonald talks about. Not only last year and the year before but also this year, significant extra funding has been ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
You are not quite correct on the first point. Although the debts of English authorities were reduced by £1.3 billion, we cut the debt for the Scottish authorities by £0.7 billion. On the ratio of 10:1, that is a pretty good deal. In England, most of the debt was converted to e...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
I take on board the strictures that you made at the start of your question. I do not rule out what you suggest. The water authorities are examining how they can co-operate in many areas. However, we should not lose sight of the efficiency drives that are taking place. When one...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
The implications of changing from three water authorities to one?
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
No—it will not cost that. The charges to be levied on the voluntary sector are being phased in over five years. The water authorities calculate that the cost to voluntary sector organisations will be £19 million a year. That does not reach £97 over three years. For the year co...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
A spend-to-save element is built into the standards and consultation document "Water Quality and Standards", part of which deals with the exact problem that you describe. It is necessary to make that spend in order to save. I like the word "dignity", and I hope that the author...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
My understanding is that English authorities can go for common carriage at the moment. The Office of Water Services' current view is that common carriage can be taken in England as things stand. Technically and legally, that is not a problem, as it is already possible. However...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
We give the water authorities central guidance on those matters. Proposals must compare with the public sector comparator and be value for money—there are various guidelines on that. The board takes the responsibility for making that decision in the end.
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
We issue guidance on how these things should be done. I cannot comment on the specific case to which you refer. One has to compare like with like—that is part of the public sector comparison and value for money analysis. I would be surprised if the water authorities did not co...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
28 Feb 2001
Water Inquiry
The efficiency targets are used by the commissioner. He is a one-person quango—those things that we do not like—and has some autonomy. He talks to us and discusses what is likely to happen.We do not have any scenarios for the job implications. Various suggestions have been mad...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
18 Jan 2001
Question Time · Water Industry
David Davidson again raises the question of food processors, whose main problem is that they must comply with the urban waste water directive. They have known for 10 years that they must comply with that and have failed to do so. Funding is allocated on the simple basis that t...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
01 Feb 2001
Question Time · East of Scotland Water
As I said, those are matters for the water authorities. If the member would like to speak to WSW, I am sure that the authority would be more than happy to deal with his inquiry.The water industry must become more efficient. We should consider the service and stop obsessing abo...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Feb 2001
Question Time · Water Industry
I certainly will not. It is against the law for a start. As Richard Lochhead knows, there was adequate consultation on the matter. I asked the water authorities to examine whether they could perhaps ring-fence some groups that we might be able to discriminate in favour of. How...
The Minister for Environment, Sport and Culture (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
28 Feb 2001
Sustainable Development
Sustainable development has the potential to deliver substantially on the Executive's social justice agenda. It binds together much of our programme for government and, as people become more comfortable with the positive benefits that it offers, we will be able to make connect...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
They got off to a slow start but they have since made good progress. Most of the requirements of the legislation, with only one or two exceptions, are being met, either right on time or within a few months of it, which will be acceptable to us.The authorities regard competitio...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
It is correct that we will want the authorities to reduce their charges; that is what efficiency is all about. The authorities have been doing fairly well in the time that they have been functioning. My understanding is that they have reduced their charges by about 25 per cent...
The Minister for Environment, Sport and Culture (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab Chamber
18 Jan 2001
Question Time · Water Industry
I am in regular contact with the water authorities on all the strategic issues that face the authorities individually and the industry as a whole.
Mr Galbraith: Lab Chamber
15 Feb 2001
Question Time · Water Industry
I agree that there should be a publicly owned and publicly provided water service; that is what the Executive is committed to delivering. On whether the three existing authorities should be merged into one, there could be great advantages in that and it is something that we ha...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
We will get on top of most matters covered by the bathing water directive when we deal with sewage. For example, once the secondary treatment plants are installed at Turnberry, the problem is dealt with. Most such plants are either on stream or in the process of becoming on st...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
That is what the bill will be all about. I use the classic Bearsden example—why does not Centrica go in there and do a deal with us to take water from our supply? To deal with cherry-picking, legislation must specify that a charge must reflect the council tax band, as it does ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
Companies can use our system only by adhering to the various provisions that will be set out in the legislation. We must avoid cowboys coming in and cherry-picking. A company such as Centrica might come in and give add-on values. Our job is to take such companies on and compet...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
The Executive deals with drinking water standards. SEPA deals with the discharges and the commissioner deals with efficiency and effectiveness. That is fairly clear.
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
The new directives bring with them a panoply of requirements. We look to the water commissioner to ensure that those who enter the industry adhere to all the requirements. I am not sure whether we need to give him powers to establish plans. I would need more convincing evidenc...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
We cannot take the capital charges off the public sector balance sheet. The capital charges are right and proper and impose a necessary discipline. However, we can consider joint ventures in areas where the water companies can co-operate with others and share expertise. There ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Water Inquiry
Time scales are difficult. We will implement best practice in all those areas, as many farmers have done in handling waste and nitrate discharges. The bathing water directive places us under an obligation. We are approaching the deadline for that and we therefore have no optio...
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Transport and the Environment Committee, 19 Dec 2000

19 Dec 2000 · S1 · Transport and the Environment Committee
Item of business
Water Inquiry
Galbraith, Mr Sam Lab Strathkelvin and Bearsden Watch on SPTV
I am grateful that I have been invited to attend the committee to deal with the complex and difficult matter of the water industry. We have a duty to explore all the options. I hope that the committee will be able to give us advice on the options, proposals and challenges that we face and on how best we can deal with them.

There is no doubt that this is a period of fairly substantial change for the water industry in Scotland. There are pressures on two main fronts: first, we must increase substantially our investment in water and sewerage works; secondly, competition is playing an even greater role than it used to in waste water management.

The first key point that I want to get across is that the investment needs of the industry are real and substantial. Secondly, competition already affects the industry, day in, day out—it is not something that is over the horizon—and is here to stay. We must be able to deal with that. Thirdly, there are no easy answers to the funding challenge—large sums are required. Fourthly, improving efficiency has a major role to play in the future of the water industry. The final—and probably the most important—message that I want to get across is that the Executive's role is to foster a sustainable, viable and competitive public sector water industry. Privatisation is not an option for us. I repeat: privatisation is not an option.

There is general consensus that we need to implement a substantial programme of investment in our water and sewerage networks, but the scale of that investment is perhaps not clear to everyone. European and national legislation rightly demands higher standards for the quality of our drinking water and for the treatment of waste water. The European directives demand substantial new infrastructure, in particular to meet waste water treatment standards. To that investment we must add decades of underinvestment, low maintenance and, in some cases, poor quality infrastructure, which is now coming to the end of its life.

The combined effect of those pressures is that we need to invest close to £2 billion over the next four years—a substantial investment. Those are real needs, which we have identified through a structured process that considers the outputs that need to be achieved. We will consult on the quality and standards process in the next few weeks. If we do not invest that amount of money, there will be burst mains, interruptions to supply, a risk of outbreaks of cryptosporidiosis, contamination of rivers and beaches and consequences for the tourism industry. We would run the risk of action in the European courts if we failed to meet our obligations—that is a costly financial risk; I notice that Greece is being fined £200,000 a day, plus interest. There is also the threat of withdrawal of structural funds. The financial penalties for not meeting our obligations are substantial.

We are preparing a consultation paper on how much we should invest in environmental protection and drinking water quality. It will inform the second quality and standards paper, which will cover investment from 2002 to 2006, discuss the work to be carried out by the water authorities over the period and invite comments on the different investment options to be introduced.

I want to emphasise once again that most of the investment must take place to meet European requirements. Those requirements are unavoidable, legal obligations, which set deadlines—we have no intention of failing to meet them.

Our task is to provide a framework that allows competition to function in water and sewerage services that are on the public network. However, although our task is to produce the legislation to allow that to happen, we must recognise—I made this point at the start—that a more immediate issue for the water authorities is the fact that competition already exists and is having a significant effect on them.

In the commercial and business sector, companies have been able to look for alternative, off-line solutions in the delivery of water and sewerage services. Other companies from England and further afield are seeking and winning business in those services in Scotland, with real consequences for the water authorities. The market is changing fast. For example, non-domestic or business customers are looking to strike single national contracts to manage water and sewerage services on all their sites, crossing local providers' boundaries.

Competition for services such as water management and sewage pre-treatment has an effect on the volume of demand for water authorities. That in turn reduces their revenue. If we lose business to competition or there is a reduced amount of business because of better management, the costs fall back on the rest of us—on the domestic customer—because the industry is a fixed-cost industry. It is essential that water authorities do everything they can to retain non-domestic customers, even if that means keeping charges down for them. I was reminded recently of when Ravenscraig closed down. Strathclyde Water Authority lost £1.25 million overnight, as it had a system of fixed costs, which had to be paid for by the other customers.

Competition has so far been confined to services that are not delivered on the authorities' own networks. The Competition Act 1998 will introduce new forms of competition. The act came into force in March this year and opens up the possibility of third parties competing to provide services using the authorities' networks—on-line provision—whether through common carriage or other arrangements.

There is no framework for controlling competition in the Scottish water industry. The existing Scottish water and sewerage legislation is geared to services provided by public monopolies. It makes no provision for third parties serving customers through access to, or use of, the public networks. A proposal for a new statutory framework for the Scottish water sector was therefore at the centre of our recent consultation exercise on competition, "Managing Change in the Water Industry". Such a framework is necessary to safeguard public health, the environment and social objectives, as competition develops.

If third parties are to have access to the authorities' facilities, they must share the authorities' obligations. We must be confident that those that enter the market are both financially secure and technically competent so as to safeguard the security, reliability and safety of the supply of water to the public network and to maintain the quality of waste water treatment and discharge to the environment. We intend to ensure that new entrants' obligations will include paying a reasonable share towards the cost of maintaining an accessible and affordable service for all our customers.

The Executive must help the water authorities to gear up to meet the challenge of competition and to improve their services to customers. Our job is to take on the competition and to beat it. I am fairly confident that we can do that. We will put our full weight behind the authorities' drive for significant efficiency gains in investment and operations. The water industry commissioner has made clear his belief that the authorities must become more efficient to deliver their services at competitive prices. I endorse that view.

We will work with authorities to promote their customer service levels and to respond to the changing demands of customers, not just in water but in all the other utilities. The authorities must respond to those demands as part of their strategies for retaining existing customers and winning new ones.

We will give the authorities backing to become outward-looking organisations with a commercial bent. In the interests of the authorities' long-term viability and of their customers, I want the authorities to win business where it makes sense for them to do so. That means that they will have to be imaginative and proactive in a crucial sector of the market. We are considering ways in which they can adapt. In some cases, it will make sense for authorities to work with other businesses in joint ventures. We will relax the guidelines for such joint ventures and give authorities greater flexibility to compete and to develop their expertise in new areas, such as waste minimisation. That will mean that the authorities will provide a better range of services to meet the needs of their customers.

Moving on to finance, we know that the water authorities are public sector bodies and, by definition, score in public expenditure totals. They are able to borrow from Government to provide additional resources for investment on top of the cash that they generate from their operations. Current arrangements allow the authorities to borrow to about the level at which they are adding to their assets. It would not be sensible for any organisation that operates in a commercial environment to borrow above that level, as that would add to its liabilities more than to its assets. That would be like taking out a mortgage for more than 100 per cent of a property's value, which would not make sense.

The use of resources by the water authorities scores on the Scottish assigned budget, wherever the money is raised. If the authorities were to raise their own bonds, they would merely increase their interest costs, and bonds would still be counted against the assigned budget. Subsidies that are paid directly to the authorities to reduce charge levels would also score against public spending and would contravene the rules on state aids.

There is no magic wand that would write off the debt, which would still have to be serviced and would become a burden on the Executive's budget. The cost of achieving a modern water and sewerage system cannot be made to disappear—someone will have to pay for it, and it is right that it should be paid for by those who use the services. There are no easy solutions for funding investment, the need for which, as we know, is most acute in the north of Scotland, where the problem is particularly pronounced. Borrowing can help to cushion the impact of increased investment on charges. For this year and next year, we have made some additional resources available to the North of Scotland Water Authority. However, all borrowing must be repaid and it would be irresponsible of us to build up unsustainable debt levels that would fall on future customers.

One of the keys to keeping charge rises to a minimum is for the authorities to improve their efficiency. I know that the water industry commissioner and the authorities are discussing ambitious efficiency targets. It is clear that significant gains need to be made, so that the authorities can keep their costs within manageable levels and so that they can bear comparison with their competitors from south of the border.

We strongly support the work that the authorities are undertaking to see how they can collaborate to improve services to their customers. We will do what we can to provide the right incentives for the authorities' management and staff to meet the efficiencies that are required.

Thank you, deputy convener, for indulging me in a rather long opening statement. I will conclude by spelling out our vision for the Scottish water industry.

I believe that we can shape a public sector model that is sustainable and viable, that will meet the challenge of competition—rather than ignore it or try to block it out—and that will deliver a highly modernised infrastructure that is capable of delivering a top-class service to all of Scotland. However, achieving that model means change for the authorities. They must become more efficient and more customer focused, so that they become the supplier of choice and are not forced into becoming the supplier of last resort.

That means changing the legal framework to ensure that environmental, social and public health objectives can be met. It means substantial physical changes, as the infrastructure is expanded and renewed. It means change for the Executive, as we adapt to the challenges of owning, on behalf of the public, large-scale utilities that now compete in a commercial market. All those changes are preconditions for achieving our ultimate goal—an improved service to the Scottish public and Scottish business. We want a public sector service that can compete and deliver.

Thank you, deputy convener, for allowing me to make such a long introduction.

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The Deputy Convener (Nora Radcliffe): LD
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The Minister for Environment, Sport and Culture (Mr Sam Galbraith): Lab
I would like to make a slightly longer statement than I usually make. Is that okay?
The Deputy Convener: LD
That is perfectly all right.
Mr Galbraith: Lab
I am grateful that I have been invited to attend the committee to deal with the complex and difficult matter of the water industry. We have a duty to explore...
The Deputy Convener: LD
Thank you, minister. You have given us a comprehensive overview of the importance of the water industry and how the Executive thinks that it will develop. Yo...
Mr Murray Tosh (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
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Mr Galbraith: Lab
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Mr Tosh: Con
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Mr Galbraith: Lab
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Mr Tosh: Con
How does the Parliament fit into that? Do we have a direct say over what the water industry does? Do we come into play in the fixing of charges, or will our ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
Ultimately, Parliament has control because, in our democratic system, everyone is answerable to Parliament. Charges are fixed via the quality and standards p...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green): Green
This will be quite a long question, minister, but it is important for establishing the real problems that the water industry faces. In the summer, nine in 60...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
We will get on top of most matters covered by the bathing water directive when we deal with sewage. For example, once the secondary treatment plants are inst...
Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
You have given us a useful overview, minister. I was particularly interested in the problems that could arise if there is too much borrowing. The water indus...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
I do not think that we have set any targets yet. The issues raised will go out for consultation and we will decide on the targets with regard to the quality ...
Bruce Crawford: SNP
But they are broad areas of potential reduction.
Mr Galbraith: Lab
It is correct that we will want the authorities to reduce their charges; that is what efficiency is all about. The authorities have been doing fairly well in...
Bruce Crawford: SNP
No one would have any difficulty with authorities becoming more efficient, but I cannot understand why the water industry has to reduce its operating costs w...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
No. More efficiency and reduced costs mean more money for investment and less need to borrow.
Bruce Crawford: SNP
I am not sure that I agree with that, but never mind.
Cathy Jamieson (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (Lab): Lab
I was pleased to hear that you are committed to the water industry's remaining in the public sector, minister, and your restatement of the commitment that pr...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
As a general principle, I would not like to exempt the authorities, because competition will be of advantage. That is the water authorities' view, too. We do...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
The water authorities are involved in replacing infrastructure, some of which is ancient. What can you do to ensure that rival companies do not come in and c...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
That is what the bill will be all about. I use the classic Bearsden example—why does not Centrica go in there and do a deal with us to take water from our su...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
Given that no national grid for water or sewerage exists, how will the new entrants to the market service customers? Is it the Executive's view that the new ...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
Companies can use our system only by adhering to the various provisions that will be set out in the legislation. We must avoid cowboys coming in and cherry-p...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
A key principle behind competition in the other utilities has been equal access for customers to a range of suppliers. Clearly, water is not like the other u...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
I want people to have choice, but I want them to choose us. It is my job to ensure that they do so, and that is what the water authorities want. We give peop...
Bruce Crawford: SNP
The minister made an interesting comment. At the moment, some big non-domestic, industrial customers are opting out of online services and are getting servic...
Mr Galbraith: Lab
That is true, although we are winning some of those customers.