Chamber
Plenary, 11 Jan 2006
11 Jan 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Sustainable Development
The minister is aware of the pollution levels. The same pleas were made in relation to the M74 and the M77. We have those pollution levels because too many cars are on the roads. Building roads simply moves those cars to another place and, in the long term, increases traffic and, therefore, pollution. We will be even more aware of pollution in the future, as will people in the area that will be affected.
People have not been afforded environmental justice and they now fight their corner with the odds stacked against them. What about the people of Carmyle, Rutherglen, Toryglen and Cambuslang, who stand on chromium, arsenic and lime? The locations of many such polluted sites in those areas have not been identified because people were not given environmental justice or the resources that they needed to locate and reveal those sites.
I can see that development has taken place, but the Executive cannot claim that it has been sustainable development. The Executive may well pat itself on the back and claim that it is doing well, but the evidence suggests the contrary. In November last year, North Lanarkshire Council was fined £4,000 after admitting to poor management of Auchinlea landfill. The fine will be paid, but the damage has been done and the opportunity to do more such damage still exists. In a separate case, Western Isles Council was fined £2,000 for failing to inspect waste that was being delivered to landfill. The damage has been done and the fine will be paid, but the potential and the conditions still exist for such breaches to take place.
Sustainable development relies on an empowered and educated society with the resources to make informed decisions, but there is no evidence that that is even on the Executive's radar. In 2003, members of the public in Glasgow made 241 complaints to the Scottish Environment Protection Agency; people in Ayrshire made 210 complaints; people in Dumfries made 282 complaints; in Dumbarton, people made 264 complaints; in Galloway, 173 complaints were made; and in North Lanarkshire, 101 complaints were made. That is a small snapshot, but it shows the high number of complaints.
In 2004, Professor Mark Poustie produced "Environmental Justice in SEPA's Environmental Protection Activities: A Report for the Scottish Environment Protection Agency". It contains 14 lengthy recommendations, which start from page 102. If members have not read that report, I ask them please to do so—a glance at the recommendations shows a huge deficit in environmental justice.
The Executive is in no position to promise environmental justice. Communities have been, are and will be excluded from the equation. Resources and political will are required to change that. No improvements in environmental justice have taken place during the Scottish Parliament's life or since the Rio declaration of 1992. Does the minister know that only 11 procurators fiscal are dedicated to environmental justice? That does not bode well, given the number of complaints that I have outlined and the increase in complaints that we hope to have if we progress environmental justice. Does the minister intend to do something to improve the situation and to allow the process to develop?
The Brundtland declaration of 1987 defines sustainable development as follows:
"Sustainable development is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs."
Those are words, but we need deeds. I hope that we will have answers to some of the questions and a truly green and clean Scotland.
People have not been afforded environmental justice and they now fight their corner with the odds stacked against them. What about the people of Carmyle, Rutherglen, Toryglen and Cambuslang, who stand on chromium, arsenic and lime? The locations of many such polluted sites in those areas have not been identified because people were not given environmental justice or the resources that they needed to locate and reveal those sites.
I can see that development has taken place, but the Executive cannot claim that it has been sustainable development. The Executive may well pat itself on the back and claim that it is doing well, but the evidence suggests the contrary. In November last year, North Lanarkshire Council was fined £4,000 after admitting to poor management of Auchinlea landfill. The fine will be paid, but the damage has been done and the opportunity to do more such damage still exists. In a separate case, Western Isles Council was fined £2,000 for failing to inspect waste that was being delivered to landfill. The damage has been done and the fine will be paid, but the potential and the conditions still exist for such breaches to take place.
Sustainable development relies on an empowered and educated society with the resources to make informed decisions, but there is no evidence that that is even on the Executive's radar. In 2003, members of the public in Glasgow made 241 complaints to the Scottish Environment Protection Agency; people in Ayrshire made 210 complaints; people in Dumfries made 282 complaints; in Dumbarton, people made 264 complaints; in Galloway, 173 complaints were made; and in North Lanarkshire, 101 complaints were made. That is a small snapshot, but it shows the high number of complaints.
In 2004, Professor Mark Poustie produced "Environmental Justice in SEPA's Environmental Protection Activities: A Report for the Scottish Environment Protection Agency". It contains 14 lengthy recommendations, which start from page 102. If members have not read that report, I ask them please to do so—a glance at the recommendations shows a huge deficit in environmental justice.
The Executive is in no position to promise environmental justice. Communities have been, are and will be excluded from the equation. Resources and political will are required to change that. No improvements in environmental justice have taken place during the Scottish Parliament's life or since the Rio declaration of 1992. Does the minister know that only 11 procurators fiscal are dedicated to environmental justice? That does not bode well, given the number of complaints that I have outlined and the increase in complaints that we hope to have if we progress environmental justice. Does the minister intend to do something to improve the situation and to allow the process to develop?
The Brundtland declaration of 1987 defines sustainable development as follows:
"Sustainable development is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs."
Those are words, but we need deeds. I hope that we will have answers to some of the questions and a truly green and clean Scotland.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-3792, in the name of Ross Finnie, on the sustainable development strategy.
The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie):
LD
I cannot think of a better way of beginning the new year of this parliamentary session than by holding a debate on the new sustainable development strategy f...
Mr Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green):
Green
Will the minister acknowledge that our marine environment is being protected by a complete guddle of legislation? We need a single marine act and, until we g...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I whole-heartedly agree. That is why we have been in active negotiation with Her Majesty's Government at Westminster, which controls certain elements of the ...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP):
SNP
Further to the minister's point about sustainable development being dependent on our actions, is he satisfied that the Government is delivering on its commit...
Ross Finnie:
LD
On the member's first point about the lack of joined-up action in the implementation of the strategic waste fund, there is no disagreement between the Execut...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green):
Green
The strategy says:"Investment in the school estate … means that school children in Scotland will be learning in buildings that embody sustainable design prin...
Ross Finnie:
LD
Unlike Robin Harper, I have not spent my Christmas reading the 200 pages of the Scottish schools standard PPP contract. However, I am most grateful to him fo...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
Eighteen months ago, the Scottish Parliament information centre and the Environment and Rural Development Committee commissioned a report on whether the Scot...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab):
Lab
Given Mr Gibson's remarks about the need to remove CO2 emissions, will he tell us whether the Scottish National Party is considering any change to its closed...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
I think that our energy review will very soon make that clear.As Scotland's footprint is two and a half times the global average, every Scot has to play a fu...
Des McNulty:
Lab
Will Rob Gibson take a further intervention?
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Certainly not. Who is to take the lead on energy efficiency in businesses in Scotland? We should be told. Oil refineries are subject to reserved powers, whic...
Des McNulty:
Lab
Will Rob Gibson take an intervention on that issue?
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Certainly not. We read about Western Isles fishermen who are chary of a marine national park, and I can understand their concerns if they are going to have a...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I always love scare stories about how people are going to be absolutely terrified. In fact, nobody has ever suggested that there would be anything other than...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
I am not flying a scare kite, but perhaps Alasdair Morrison, who is sitting behind the minister, will tell him some of the details.We read that, in Wester Ro...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
Here we are: another year, another debate on sustainable development and the same old Conservative party—or perhaps not.In the spirit of constructive opposit...
Mr Ruskell rose—
Green
Ross Finnie rose—
LD
Alex Johnstone:
Con
I will answer the minister.
Ross Finnie:
LD
Will Alex Johnstone explain before he closes his remarks why better resource efficiency and use—which could save millions of pounds—are contrary to the inter...
Alex Johnstone:
Con
I will reiterate: I do not believe that those are contrary to the interests of the Scottish economy. I was not necessarily attacking the minister or the Scot...
Mr Ruskell rose—
Green
Alex Johnstone:
Con
I will not take an intervention at the moment, thank you.There are concerns about the construction of wind farms and about the construction of the ancillary ...
Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
I fully respect Alex Johnstone's view, although I may not share it. I ask him only to consider the full-life costs of a nuclear programme. Only this week, a ...
Alex Johnstone:
Con
It will be appropriate to have a detailed debate on nuclear power on another day. Rob Gibson referred to the cost of our nuclear legacy: that cost will be wi...
Mr Ruskell rose—
Green
Alex Johnstone:
Con
I must make progress.It is essential that energy efficiency in housing be achieved without adding significantly to the upfront cost of affordable housing. Al...
Mark Ballard (Lothians) (Green):
Green
Nearly 20 years since the Brundtland commission and 13 years since the Rio earth summit, we finally have a sustainable development strategy for Scotland. Eve...