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Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD Chamber
09 Sep 2010
Independent Budget Review
Wendy Alexander is right to say that the debate is beginning to edge forward. I begin by saying, as others have done, that the independent budget review is a really good piece of work and immensely helpful in setting the scene as we approach the difficult financial challenges ...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Committee
13 Nov 2001
Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Budget 2002-03
The committee must consider two documents together.The SPCB's budget is, in effect, the ordinary management cost of the Parliament plus what we might describe as the extraordinary cost of the Holyrood project. Both those fit together to produce the budget that the committee ha...
Robert Brown: LD Chamber
02 Nov 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 3
This is an important issue. I appreciate and agree with Pauline McNeill's concerns that the corporate body should be able to exercise proper control over the commission's use of public funds. In a former existence as a member of the corporate body, I had some dealings with suc...
Robert Brown: LD Chamber
17 Dec 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
No. I will continue, if I may, because I have taken an intervention already.Instead of a minority Government making an inexplicable, or at least unconvincing, decision on GARL, Parliament should and must achieve consensus on the matter and try to find a sustainable and better ...
Robert Brown: LD Chamber
01 May 2008
United Kingdom Budget
If I may, I will come to that a little bit later in my speech. I will stick with the abolition of the 10p rate, because it is the central point of much of the dispute about the budget.The reality is that the whole tax system has become silted up, not least by the administrativ...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
27 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
The Executive amendments in the group will implement commitments that the Executive gave at stage 1. They take into account the committee's concerns at stage 1 and issues that the Procedures Committee and the Finance Committee raised about commissioners generally. Members will...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
27 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
Many points have been raised, but I endorse Marlyn Glen's point that members are trying in the bill to deal with a series of issues to do with other commissioners. That is not possible, which is why, in the context and in the lee of the Finance Committee's report, the Procedur...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Chamber
08 Nov 2007
Holding the SNP Government<br />to Account
I am slightly puzzled to be called at this stage, given that the Government party, which is without an amendment, has not yet been called. It might be that the SNP is ceding to the Conservatives to lead for them.The issue is whether, in the lead-up to the budget, the SNP Gover...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Chamber
20 Jan 2010
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
There is sometimes a phoney war feeling about a stage 1 budget debate. It is preceded by a bit of press furore and gossip in the corridors; there are behind-the-scenes discussions; and the cabinet secretary likes to appear calm, unruffled and confident of success. He gives out...
The Convener: LD Committee
28 Apr 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
I welcome Peter Peacock, the Minister for Education and Young People, who is here to hear from us on the budget process. When we discussed how we might hold this session, it was thought—whether advisedly or not I am not sure—that it would be a good idea to have one or two slid...
Robert Brown (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body): LD Committee
31 Oct 2000
Parliamentary Budget
It might be helpful if I kick off with an explanation of the background to the budget. Members will recall that we appeared before the committee a month or two ago with regard to an earlier stage of the matter, which was to do with the relationship between the Scottish Parliam...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
20 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
The strategic plan will feed into and be a foundation document for the budget. We should bear it in mind that we are primarily talking about a four-year strategic plan. Although the plan will feed into the budget, as I said, it will not translate readily into direct budget imp...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD Chamber
25 Nov 2010
A Budget for Scotland’s People
Given what has happened in recent days, we are living in times of important constitutional debate. Tricia Marwick was quite right to focus on the relationship between the Government and the Parliament, which lies behind this debate and a number of others recently.A change is t...
Robert Brown LD Chamber
26 Jan 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
There is common ground between Liberal Democrats and members of other parties in the Scottish Parliament, who have been critical of the extent to which benefits such as prescription charges and free school meals have been the main direction of the Scottish Government’s policie...
The Convener: LD Committee
10 Nov 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
Things have not really moved.Question 5 is whether we want to draw any other budgetary matter to the attention of the Finance Committee. That probably relates to the more individual kind of issues. I raised the issue of looked-after children and youth work. We got an answer of...
The Convener: LD Committee
20 Apr 2005
Local Government Education Expenditure
The point of the meeting that I had with the minister and officials was to see what could be done in that direction. We now have a formula for the way in which information should come before us for the budget process. There is lots of information hanging about, if I can put it...
Robert Brown (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body): LD Committee
16 Nov 1999
Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body
Thank you, convener. The SPCB is very glad of the opportunity to give evidence to the Finance Committee. It might be helpful if I start by reminding the committee of the constitution and role of the SPCB, which, unlike most parliamentary committees, is a creature of primary st...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
18 Jan 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 1
I think that the question is an artificial one. The commissioner will not be entitled to overspend his or her budget. They are accountable officers as far as the financial arrangements are concerned. I am not an expert on all that but, like any other budget holder—such as the ...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
20 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
That would be helpful. I want to try to disentangle some of the overarching points. We are talking about a number of different issues that have been mixed up.The first point is that the bill goes far further than other bills that have set up commissioners in dealing with issue...
Robert Brown: LD Chamber
28 Jun 2000
Budget Process 2001-02
Not much, but a little.This debate is about accountability, which means that ministers must justify and defend their budgets and, sometimes, even revise them in the light of parliamentary criticism. Accountability also means that the search for value for money for the taxpayer...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Chamber
01 May 2008
United Kingdom Budget
The debate has perhaps cast more heat than light on some of the arguments that are before the Parliament. I will highlight positively only two points from the speeches. One is Alex Johnstone's valid point on smart metering and the other is Jeremy Purvis's reference to the redu...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Chamber
03 Feb 2010
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 3
Liberal Democrats have been clear from the beginning of the budget process that the overwhelming priority this year, and probably for years to come, must be the economic crisis—jobs, opportunities for young people, support for business, fairness and obtaining a grip on the sal...
Robert Brown LD Committee
30 Nov 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
I have a question for Mr Harris on his point about the four-year budget. You mentioned that it does not help to have only a one-year budget. Will you give us a flavour of the difficulties that having only a one-year budget causes you when, under the comprehensive spending revi...
The Convener: LD Committee
10 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
Agenda item 3 is the budget process. Members have a paper in front of them. We do not yet have the budget, but I understand that the paperwork will become available soon. Martin Verity will give us an introduction to the paper.
The Convener: LD Committee
01 Oct 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
The Minister for Education and Young People was expected according to our records at 11 am and according to his records at 11.30 am. There has been an element of confusion among those who are responsible for the arrangements, but that is not the minister's fault.Mr Peacock mus...
The Convener: LD Committee
01 Oct 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
Thank you. An issue that the committee will have to tackle is the problem of tracking budget spends across different headings over a period of time. It can be difficult to pick information out, not just in the education budget but in other budgets. We have picked up on the dif...
The Convener: LD Committee
31 Mar 2004
Scottish Qualifications Authority
I will sum up and find out whether we can arrive at a conclusion. Anyone can ask questions on the budget—there is no issue about that—and I am sure that individual members will wish to do so. I am not sure that the area is one that we want to go into in great depth; I do not t...
The Convener: LD Committee
28 Apr 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
There are one or two issues on which we want to follow through. We look forward to engaging with you on those thereafter. Wendy Alexander raised the key issue—the importance of on-going engagement between your officials and the committee's financial advisers to provide more cl...
The Convener: LD Committee
10 Nov 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
Item 2 is evidence on the Scottish Executive's budget process 2005-06. The details of the budget were published on 15 October and the Finance Committee is due to report to Parliament on the Executive's proposals later in the year. As part of the process, subject committees are...
The Convener: LD Committee
10 Nov 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
As you were speaking, it struck me that the question of efficiency savings is not necessarily contradictory to extra spending and extra recruitment. I might come back to that later.I want to talk about the question of transparency that arises from the local government settleme...
The Convener: LD Committee
10 Nov 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
That is my point: if we get level 3 details from the Executive, we need, in one form or another, reasonably clear explanations about what the differences are from previous years—what has been moved and what has been added. If money comes from all sorts of pockets and goes here...
The Convener: LD Committee
17 Nov 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
I will pursue further with the minister the question of drawing together the views of our advisers and the Executive's advisers on how we get deeper into the budgetary figures and so on to make the budget a bit more transparent. There is further work to be done. After all, at ...
The Convener: LD Committee
22 Dec 2004
Work Programme
Are there any other comments on early-years learning? I think that what has been said will give Ken Macintosh and Fiona Hyslop some guidance.On the other issues, I would like to say two things. First, following the discussion that the clerks and I had with the minister about t...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
13 Nov 2001
Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Budget 2002-03
That question leads us into a slightly different area. We do not know what recommendations will be made on MSP pay, but we have assumed that MSP pay will be kept at least at 90 per cent of MP pay, which is the current arrangement. Whether MSP pay should be greater or less than...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
05 Oct 2004
Budget Process 2005-06<br />(Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Submission)
Schedule 2 of the document that is before members sets out some of the predictable trends, with the indicative forecasts for 2006-07. Remember that we are taking out migration and double running as non-standard costs, so they are shown separately. You can see the trend from th...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
18 Jan 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 1
No. As I said before, I have considered this issue from the other side, as it were. Oddly enough, when I was a member of the SPCB, one of my responsibilities was to deal with the commissioners. The wheel comes full circle.At the time, the SPCB was rightly concerned not to inte...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
20 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
We are getting into technical aspects; I will do my best to deal with the questions that I have been asked. Marlyn Glen suggested that a conflict might arise between the strategic plan and the budget proposals, but that is not so, because the two matters are separate. It is ob...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Committee
06 Oct 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
Before I continue, I return to Chief Constable House's earlier comments about what might happen in the event of budget pressures and a reduction in staff.We all understand the need and desire to keep up police numbers. Presumably, the lesser cost of support staff is factored i...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
06 Oct 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
I want to return to the budget report that went before Strathclyde police authority in August. The report identified that there was a shortfall in 2009-10 of about £7 million, which you said that you had met through efficiency savings. You also said that the equivalent figure ...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
23 May 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
Accepting the period that it will take, do you anticipate a full spend of the community ownership budget over that time scale? What would happen if some or all of the tenants rejected the proposals for stock transfer? What would happen to the budget head under that if that hap...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Committee
23 Jan 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Communities Scotland's presence would be useful. I do not know about other members, but I was struck by the independence of mind of the representatives of Scottish Homes—Communities Scotland's predecessor—from whom we heard in the past. It would be useful in itself if we were ...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
17 Apr 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I know that we will be dealing with the housing improvement task force this afternoon and I appreciate that we are dealing only with the report on the first stage of consultation on the matter, but I would like to ask about it anyway. Minister, you said earlier that you had al...
Robert Brown: LD Chamber
27 Sep 2001
Public Resources
With regard to the housing budget and the situation relating to the Housing (Scotland) Act 2001, the stock transfer mechanisms and so on, the important point is the framework for delivering effective and accountable spending on housing, which is what we all want. The underspen...
Robert Brown (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body): LD Chamber
26 Jan 2005
Question Time · Commissioners' Budget Allocations
The commissioners' initial budgets were determined at different times in line with the legislation that established them and were the subject of appropriate resource transfers from the Scottish Executive at the time. Thereafter, commissioners have been asked to submit budget p...
Robert Brown: LD Chamber
08 Nov 2007
Holding the SNP Government<br />to Account
No. There must be more than a few stalwarts on the SNP benches who will pause this evening before voting to support a Tory amendment, behind which their front-bench leaders take shelter.I will finish with the Conservatives—the other party in the amorous tryst that we see acted...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Chamber
28 Nov 2007
Equality and Diversity
This is an important debate, the roots of which go deep into the Parliament's founding principles, and indeed its psyche. Some important speeches have been made, not least that last one, from Michael McMahon, with his committee experience. There is a broad welcome across the c...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
28 Nov 2007
Budget Proposal 2008-09 and Autumn Budget Revision
I want to pursue the point about replacing equipment. The last line of the "Capital EYF" paragraph in your EYF proposal document states:"The remaining EYF will be used to support a number of equipment replacement projects including printers and copiers and videoconferencing."H...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
28 Nov 2007
Budget Proposal 2008-09 and Autumn Budget Revision
Can you clarify the point about trends? The budget revision paper indicates that this year, end-year flexibility includes £1.5 million of revenue spending and £1.043 million of capital spending. Can you indicate roughly what the figures were in the past two or three years?
Robert Brown: LD Committee
28 Nov 2007
Budget Proposal 2008-09 and Autumn Budget Revision
My point is whether a similar figure occurs each year. Is the amount that it is not necessary to retain within Audit Scotland's budget a one-off for this year? If not, are we recycling the same money that is always available as a sort of surplus or contingency funding?
Robert Brown: LD Committee
28 Nov 2007
Budget Proposal 2008-09 and Autumn Budget Revision
In the budget proposal, there is an increase of £47,000 in the figure for travel and subsistence, which seems to go against the broad trend in the other figures. What is the background to that? It seems odd.
Robert Brown: LD Committee
28 Nov 2007
Budget Proposal 2008-09 and Autumn Budget Revision
Do you budget for a full complement of staff as opposed to what you actually experience?
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD Chamber
17 Dec 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
This is the third year of the SNP Government's administration, and there can be no doubt that the budget bears its stamp. It is no longer based on choices inherited from the previous Government or ministers, or hangovers from earlier decisions. The budget represents the SNP's ...
Robert Brown: LD Committee
28 Oct 2009
Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2010-11
I am not sure that I fully follow the staffing figures—sometimes they seem to include Audit Scotland board members and sometimes they do not, which is slightly confusing. The figures in your letter of 31 March seem to go from 264 in 2006-07 to 294 in 2007-08, then from 295 up ...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD Committee
23 Nov 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
Paragraph 3.8 of ACPOS’s written submission refers to the effects of the remaining part of the police pay deal, which runs until August 2011. You indicate that it adds“3% budget pressures to police budgets”.I want to be clear about what we are talking about. Do you mean 3 per ...
Robert Brown LD Committee
30 Nov 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
I am astonished that the Government appears to have no conception of, or information that it can share with the committee about, the broad order of the effect on the number of police officers who can be deployed on our streets as a result of the budgetary changes, nor of the n...
Robert Brown LD Committee
30 Nov 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
I would like to explore the prison budget a little bit. In round figures, Scottish Prison Service expenditure appears to be going down from £333 million to £318 million. There is a £15 million difference between those figures. I think that I am right in saying that £10 million...
Robert Brown LD Committee
30 Nov 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
Finally on this matter, will the budget allocation have any effect on programmes within prisons to reduce reoffending? If not, how will you lose something in the order of £10 million from the budget, bearing in mind the additional pressures on it?
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD Chamber
26 Jan 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
The Parliament might be relieved to hear that I will pause for breath from time to time, unlike Kenny Gibson.Without question, the budget debate takes place against a more sombre economic background than any that we have known for many years. I will start with a few words to g...
Robert Brown LD Chamber
26 Jan 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
I am happy to take a breath if Mr Swinney has an intervention to make, but I would prefer to proceed.The downside is that one could be forgiven sometimes for having the impression that the SNP lives in a parallel universe in which public debt grows on trees and does not have t...
The Convener: LD Committee
10 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
We might want to come up with some provisional thoughts about the areas that we want to explore or perhaps on which we might want a background briefing. When we discussed the budget process at the away day, we took the broad view that we might want to have a familiarisation ex...
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Meeting of the Parliament 09 September 2010

09 Sep 2010 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Independent Budget Review
Wendy Alexander is right to say that the debate is beginning to edge forward. I begin by saying, as others have done, that the independent budget review is a really good piece of work and immensely helpful in setting the scene as we approach the difficult financial challenges ahead.

It is worth putting the challenge into perspective. In 1999, the budget was around £14 billion. Now, it is nearly £33 billion, although I accept the point that others have made that we have put new obligations, duties and services in place. Crawford Beveridge and his colleagues tell us that there will be a requirement for a cut of about 12.5 per cent in the next four years. Without question, that is hugely challenging, but it is not the end of the world as we know it. As Jeremy Purvis pointed out, it will still leave the Scottish Government with revenues higher than in every year before 2004, and in cash terms the revenue budget will barely change. The problems come from the effects of inflation and rising demand for resource. We must, therefore, look very carefully at the effectiveness of the way in which we manage our public services.

Linda Fabiani and others—in fact, every nationalist member—included in their speeches a sentence about how none of this would have happened had Scotland been independent. Indeed, yesterday, the First Minister put independence at the heart of the debate leading up to the election next year. He told us that the fall in income tax revenues because of the recession would have resulted in almost £900 million off the Scottish budget if the Calman proposals had been in place because of the transfer of direct control of 10p of income tax to the Scottish Parliament. The Secretary of State for Scotland has already indicated that the original Barnett proposals would need to be adjusted to take account of that. However, what the First Minister omitted to tell us—this is the point that Wendy Alexander was making—is that, if Scotland had been independent, the effects of the recession would have lopped more than twice that figure off the income tax revenues going to an independent Scottish Government, as it would have received all the effect of the recession on income tax receipts, not just half of it. On top of that, there would have been a drop in corporation tax receipts, national insurance receipts and VAT receipts, to mention only the bigger ones. On a roughly equivalent basis, that would amount to a cost to an independent Scottish Government of something in excess of £2.2 billion. I readily concede that my figures need refinement, but I suggest that the cost of independence, in purely budgetary terms, would be of the order of £4 billion per annum off the current Scottish budget. That is the reality that the Scottish Government must face in putting independence forward as a serious proposition—although I am amazed that it is still doing that.

The First Minister told us yesterday that Scotland needs control of its own resources and the ability to grow revenue. I am not sure whether these independence revenues grow on fir trees somewhere in Aberdeenshire, but we need a little more detail on the SNP’s latter-day take on the miracle of the loaves and the fishes. The reality is that the financial crisis that was caused by banking greed affects most countries in the developed world even if, in Britain, it was made worse by the negligence of the Labour Government. There is no bypass for Scotland any more than there has been for Ireland or Iceland.

The IBR report emphasised the need for the earliest possible central guidance on how to tackle these significant financial pressures. It is the responsibility of ministers in government, with the resources of the civil service behind them, to develop proposals, to be clear about the realities of the position, to signal clearly—as the report said—national priorities and to convey the right degree of urgency. I will make one or two observations about the approach.

First, in my view and that of the review, there are definite issues with ring fencing any section of the budget, particularly because health accounts for a third of the Scottish budget, not a sixth as it does on a United Kingdom basis. The effect of that is obvious. As the review points out, it would result in a much more substantial reduction in non-health budgets if we were to ring fence the health budget. I say to the cabinet secretary that, whatever the formula surrounding these matters turns out to be, we must scrutinise very closely every budget line and every aspect of the budget that is before us.

Secondly, there is a close relationship between the cost of pay and the number of jobs in a reducing budget. The more pay restraint can be agreed, the fewer jobs will be at risk. Ultimately, we are working within a fixed and reducing budget, and the public sector is under the same pressures as the private sector.

Thirdly, efficiency savings will be a vital part of the equation. The review suggests that there is a limit to the efficiency savings that can be squeezed out of the public service. I believe that every doctor, nurse, teacher, dustman, administrative worker and cleaner should be asked which part of their job is vital and which part of the job consists of doing unnecessary paperwork, circulating process that adds no substance or picking up the results of inefficient practice. The challenge is to extract those ideas and manage their implementation, but our primary obligation is to squeeze out value from every pound of public money that is invested in our common services. I welcomed the cabinet secretary’s focus on public engagement, but I think that it must be a bottom-up process rather than a top-down process that is imposed by ministers, and it must focus on effective management in the public service.

Fourthly, there must be an equal partnership with the voluntary sector. Many voluntary sector services are more flexible, more human in scale and more effective than is possible in large Government or local government departments. There must be a framework that takes full account of the effects of particular cuts. For example, Glasgow City Council recently cut the budget for community transport—it was nothing to do with the wider cuts; the cut was made last year—at the same time, incidentally, as adverse publicity about the unsuitable use of council limousines. The cut has threatened the viability of organisations that provide social outlets and respite for people with learning difficulties, disabled youngsters and others. That is highly likely to result in more mental stress and more pressure on council services—a totally vicious circle for all concerned, and a lesson in how not to approach such matters.

Finally, I am clear in my mind that, apart from the issue that the report raises of what services should be provided by the state—and which of those should be comprehensive and which should be means tested—there must be a focus on the quality of the service provider. That applies to police forces, local authorities and the rest.

We live, as the Chinese curse wished on us, in interesting times and many people depend on our public services being of a high quality and effective at what they do. None of us came into politics to cut resource, but the current financial crisis imposes on us the obligation to manage its consequences in the best interests of our people. The Liberal Democrats stand ready to play our part in that, but we need a steer and leadership from the Government. That is the responsibility that the SNP took on in accepting office three years ago and it must rise to the challenge. Its decisions will affect real people, real families, real jobs and real services.

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Will the minister give way?
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George Foulkes Lab
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John Swinney SNP
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George Foulkes Lab
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John Swinney SNP
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Jeremy Purvis LD
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
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Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
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Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab) Lab
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John Swinney SNP
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Andy Kerr Lab
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David McLetchie (Edinburgh Pentlands) (Con) Con
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Andy Kerr Lab
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Jeremy Purvis LD
Will the member give way?
Andy Kerr Lab
I will in a minute.However, I support Mr Swinney on this point, which is that the Tory-Lib Dem Government—Interruption.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Order. One moment, Mr Kerr. I remind members that they cannot have conversations across the chamber.