Chamber
Plenary, 15 Feb 2007
15 Feb 2007 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Workers' Rights
Rosemary Byrne's speech was wide-ranging and time is a constraining factor in the debate, so I will not seek to make interventions and I will not take any during my speech. I congratulate Rosemary Byrne on giving us the opportunity to discuss the issues around Simclar Ayrshire. I do not go along with her motion entirely, as my amendment suggests, but it is great that we have it before us to debate. I would like to think that the Parliament can finish by taking a unified decision on the motion or an amendment so that the debate will have an outcome.
Simclar Ayrshire is an absolute disgrace in terms of the ethics of business behaviour. Barefaced asset stripping has taken place and there has been a manipulation—legal or illegal—of company law. That is why I welcome Allan Wilson's move to involve the DTI, which will determine whether the behaviour is legal. If it is legal, there is room for Government action and change somewhere along the line. If it is illegal, I want the sternest steps to be taken against Sam Russell and the company that he has operated.
The fact is that Simclar had a loyal, well- behaved and diligent workforce. Overnight, the individuals in the workforce found themselves out of a job. People who were to work the night shift were locked out and separated from their possessions. That cannot be right in today's world, whichever way we approach the issue.
Families were left without any income whatever and a big question mark still hangs over where money will come from. As well as assets—or so-called assets—of the company, employer records and other information that allow people to claim benefits have been locked up. That is a disgrace. The Conservatives—and, I feel, members around the chamber—want those matters to be addressed.
I am concerned about the movement of goods since Simclar was locked up and about what could be seen as a relationship between Sam Russell and the administrator. The DTI will examine and determine that.
Sam Russell said that Jack McConnell did not understand business behaviour. I do not always agree with Jack McConnell, but if Sam Russell means that what he has done is to be interpreted as business behaviour, I do not go along with that.
I congratulate Allan Wilson on his actions and I go along with Rosemary Byrne on the idea that perhaps a bit more PACE should be injected. However, as for the motion, we will support our amendment to it. We will not support the SNP's amendment, because it retains the reference to Young's of Annan, which is trying to address the business situation that has arisen. We will not support Rosemary Byrne's motion, because it goes too far. We will not support Allan Wilson's amendment, but if—as I suspect—Parliament agrees to his amendment, we will support the amended motion.
For a range of reasons, we Conservatives consider that what has happened is contrary to everything that we believe about trade union law. We make no apology for the changes that we made to trade union law and we acknowledge that the Labour Government that was long awaited after 18 years did not reverse the elements that it opposed vigorously when in opposition. However, the balance must be right. The workforce must be treated well. Every businessman depends on the people who work for him to provide profits and income. Such matters are important to Conservatives.
I move amendment S2M-5581.1, to leave out from "and factory" to end and insert:
"or factory gate notices and denied real and proper consultation and appropriate redundancy payments, as illustrated by the recent example of Simclar Ayrshire."
Simclar Ayrshire is an absolute disgrace in terms of the ethics of business behaviour. Barefaced asset stripping has taken place and there has been a manipulation—legal or illegal—of company law. That is why I welcome Allan Wilson's move to involve the DTI, which will determine whether the behaviour is legal. If it is legal, there is room for Government action and change somewhere along the line. If it is illegal, I want the sternest steps to be taken against Sam Russell and the company that he has operated.
The fact is that Simclar had a loyal, well- behaved and diligent workforce. Overnight, the individuals in the workforce found themselves out of a job. People who were to work the night shift were locked out and separated from their possessions. That cannot be right in today's world, whichever way we approach the issue.
Families were left without any income whatever and a big question mark still hangs over where money will come from. As well as assets—or so-called assets—of the company, employer records and other information that allow people to claim benefits have been locked up. That is a disgrace. The Conservatives—and, I feel, members around the chamber—want those matters to be addressed.
I am concerned about the movement of goods since Simclar was locked up and about what could be seen as a relationship between Sam Russell and the administrator. The DTI will examine and determine that.
Sam Russell said that Jack McConnell did not understand business behaviour. I do not always agree with Jack McConnell, but if Sam Russell means that what he has done is to be interpreted as business behaviour, I do not go along with that.
I congratulate Allan Wilson on his actions and I go along with Rosemary Byrne on the idea that perhaps a bit more PACE should be injected. However, as for the motion, we will support our amendment to it. We will not support the SNP's amendment, because it retains the reference to Young's of Annan, which is trying to address the business situation that has arisen. We will not support Rosemary Byrne's motion, because it goes too far. We will not support Allan Wilson's amendment, but if—as I suspect—Parliament agrees to his amendment, we will support the amended motion.
For a range of reasons, we Conservatives consider that what has happened is contrary to everything that we believe about trade union law. We make no apology for the changes that we made to trade union law and we acknowledge that the Labour Government that was long awaited after 18 years did not reverse the elements that it opposed vigorously when in opposition. However, the balance must be right. The workforce must be treated well. Every businessman depends on the people who work for him to provide profits and income. Such matters are important to Conservatives.
I move amendment S2M-5581.1, to leave out from "and factory" to end and insert:
"or factory gate notices and denied real and proper consultation and appropriate redundancy payments, as illustrated by the recent example of Simclar Ayrshire."
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5581, in the name of Rosemary Byrne, on workers' rights.
Ms Rosemary Byrne (South of Scotland) (Sol):
Sol
This Solidarity debate is about improving workers' rights and strengthening trade unions throughout Scotland and the United Kingdom.The context for the debat...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member give way?
Ms Byrne:
Sol
I need to make progress; I have to cover a lot of ground.I seek an assurance from the minister that the situation will be rectified immediately, so that PACE...
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Allan Wilson):
Lab
I am a lifelong trade unionist, too, and the subject matter of the debate is close to my heart. I thank Rosemary Byrne and Solidarity for giving us the oppor...
Ms Byrne:
Sol
Does the minister agree that up to now the PACE initiative has been disappointing and that there is a need to press for improvements as quickly as possible?
Allan Wilson:
Lab
In the context of PACE, there is an issue when an employer refuses to co-operate with public agencies that deliver services, as has happened in the case that...
Irene Oldfather:
Lab
Has the minister had any advice from officials about any way in which the closure might contravene the European information and consultation directive? Would...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
You now have one minute left, Mr Wilson.
Allan Wilson:
Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer—although that is not a long time in which to deal with what are fairly complex matters. I will perhaps come back to some of thes...
Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
We are whole-heartedly in favour of workers' rights, and we are grateful to Solidarity for creating this opportunity to debate the subject. We believe that, ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
Jim Mather has talked about the Government's position. I wonder what the Scottish National Party's position is on the proposed bill to reform the trade union...
Jim Mather:
SNP
We will give it due consideration. Today, I am calling for a proper and full debate in which we learn from other places. There is a difficult blend to be ach...
Allan Wilson:
Lab
I agree. Would the member agree with me that the UK has been spectacularly successful in that context? It is one of only three EU countries that have surpass...
Jim Mather:
SNP
There has been an element of success but, if we consider countries such as Denmark, we find that they have achieved that better. We are currently facing the ...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
Rosemary Byrne's speech was wide-ranging and time is a constraining factor in the debate, so I will not seek to make interventions and I will not take any du...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
I apologise to the Presiding Officer and to Rosemary Byrne for being late. One is subject to the vagaries of the taxi service, such as it is.It may surprise ...
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
I am surprised.
Mr Stone:
LD
I thank Jackie Baillie for that.Having worked in the oil fabrication sector and in the drilling sector for some years, I understand exactly the fear that has...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I thank the member for being brief. Such short debates always mean truncated speeches and few interventions. They are not particularly satisfactory in that r...
Chris Ballance (South of Scotland) (Green):
Green
I will stick to my two minutes. The motion is excellent and it is important to debate such issues. It is positive that all members—in the motion and the amen...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab):
Lab
I acknowledge the difficulties that have been experienced by workers in Simclar, NCR Dundee and Young's, and in Methode Electronics Europe in my constituency...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (Sol):
Sol
Will the member confirm the truth to the chamber—that the quotes that she read out come from the NUJ chapel that happens to be the Scottish Socialist Party c...
Frances Curran (West of Scotland) (SSP):
SSP
That is rubbish.
Jackie Baillie:
Lab
A member has responded to Mr Sheridan's point from a sedentary position. I understand that both the organisations to which I referred are in formal dispute w...
Mr Adam Ingram (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I deplore Jackie Baillie's rather petty contribution to this morning's debate. It did not set the right tone, especially for the Simclar workers who are look...
Frances Curran (West of Scotland) (SSP):
SSP
I welcome this debate on workers' rights, which is long overdue. I regret the fact that the chamber has been spurred into action on the matter by the Simclar...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab):
Lab
First, I apologise to the chamber—I have had laryngitis this week, but I thought that it was important to come here today to make the case that the Simclar w...
Campbell Martin (West of Scotland) (Ind):
Ind
I congratulate Rosemary Byrne and Solidarity on bringing the issue of workers' rights to the Parliament, and I acknowledge the immense amount of work that Ro...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con):
Con
This has been an extremely unhappy debate. I have never been a trade unionist, but I have been made redundant—it happened six months before the Parliament ca...