Chamber
Plenary, 27 Apr 2000
27 Apr 2000 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Maternity Units
Irene Oldfather gave some figures that demonstrated that Ayrshire central hospital is offering an excellent service to people in Ayrshire. It is hard to see how those figures could be improved on.
I appreciate the trauma that Irene Oldfather faces with the prospect of maternity services moving away from her constituency to Kilmarnock. Just before I was elected as member of Parliament for Ayr, we had the same trauma in Ayr itself when Thornyflats hospital closed down and the facilities moved to Ayrshire central hospital.
I have some personal experience, although perhaps not quite as much as Margaret Jamieson and others. My granddaughter was born in Ayrshire central hospital. My daughter is a nurse, and she thought that the facilities were absolutely excellent. She had every confidence in the facilities offered. That counts for a lot. We are talking about something that is essential for the Ayrshire community.
There is another aspect that we must consider. If we are going to change the facilities and the location, the cost has to be examined. There will be additional costs in moving to Crosshouse hospital. It is claimed that there will be additional benefits. However, in the health service, every penny spent has to be carefully prioritised. Irene Oldfather referred to consultation, and I wonder whether that consultation has considered whether the additional costs of moving can be justified in relation to other health service facilities.
I sympathise with Cathy Jamieson and the points that she made about people in Ballantrae. I am sure that most of them are reasonably confident and happy with the services at Ayrshire central hospital.
I appreciate the trauma that Irene Oldfather faces with the prospect of maternity services moving away from her constituency to Kilmarnock. Just before I was elected as member of Parliament for Ayr, we had the same trauma in Ayr itself when Thornyflats hospital closed down and the facilities moved to Ayrshire central hospital.
I have some personal experience, although perhaps not quite as much as Margaret Jamieson and others. My granddaughter was born in Ayrshire central hospital. My daughter is a nurse, and she thought that the facilities were absolutely excellent. She had every confidence in the facilities offered. That counts for a lot. We are talking about something that is essential for the Ayrshire community.
There is another aspect that we must consider. If we are going to change the facilities and the location, the cost has to be examined. There will be additional costs in moving to Crosshouse hospital. It is claimed that there will be additional benefits. However, in the health service, every penny spent has to be carefully prioritised. Irene Oldfather referred to consultation, and I wonder whether that consultation has considered whether the additional costs of moving can be justified in relation to other health service facilities.
I sympathise with Cathy Jamieson and the points that she made about people in Ballantrae. I am sure that most of them are reasonably confident and happy with the services at Ayrshire central hospital.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
The final item of business today is a members' business debate on motion S1M-718, in the name of Irene Oldfather, on the relocation of maternity units. I app...
Motion debated,
That the Parliament notes the proposed relocation of maternity wards throughout Scotland, including the Ayrshire Central Maternity Unit, Irvine; further note...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab):
Lab
I thank those who have supported this motion, enabling the debate to take place today, albeit it is somewhat overshadowed by the other events of the afternoo...
Allan Wilson (Cunninghame North) (Lab):
Lab
I thank Irene Oldfather for giving us the opportunity to discuss this issue and I associate myself with her comments.Irene is the member for Cunninghame Sout...
Cathy Jamieson (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (Lab):
Lab
I thank Allan Wilson for the geography lesson. Does he agree that some of the transport difficulties faced by my constituents who have to travel from as far ...
Allan Wilson:
Lab
I have no problem associating myself with those comments.I speak as the constituency representative for Cunninghame North. My sons were born in Paisley, a de...
Mr Adam Ingram (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I thank Irene Oldfather for raising this subject for debate today. However, I believe that Ayrshire and Arran Health Board is to be congratulated on the comp...
Allan Wilson:
Lab
If the member sympathises with Irene Oldfather's remarks about the lack of consultation, would he support an extended consultation based on the option apprai...
Mr Ingram:
SNP
No, I would not. When elected a year ago, I raised the issue of maternity services in Ayrshire and was given a comprehensive briefing on the matter. I believ...
Irene Oldfather:
Lab
The statistics that I have outlined in relation to Ayrshire central hospital show that the quality of care there is the best in Scotland.
Mr Ingram:
SNP
I agree that the service in Ayrshire has been very fine. However, we need to move on, to modernise and to progress.
Margaret Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab):
Lab
I had my daughter some 18 years ago in Ayrshire central hospital. Does the member agree that the relocation of the service must be safe? I do not want my dau...
Mr Ingram:
SNP
The fact that there will be a move to a district general hospital site means that there will be a 24-hour laboratory facility. There will also be an intensiv...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
SNP
My problem with timing is that the last speaker is dropping out.
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
There is a danger of getting into a Kilmarnock-Irvine-Ayrshire argument about localities.
Margaret Jamieson rose—
Lab
Irene Oldfather:
Lab
On a point of order. If there is only one additional speaker, I wonder whether the Presiding Officer would consider extending the debate for a further few mi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I will be as generous as possible. As things stand, if Mr Russell takes about two minutes, we will just about manage.
Phil Gallie:
Con
Irene Oldfather gave some figures that demonstrated that Ayrshire central hospital is offering an excellent service to people in Ayrshire. It is hard to see ...
Cathy Jamieson rose—
Lab
Phil Gallie:
Con
I cannot give way, because my time is up. My thanks to Irene Oldfather for letting me speak in her debate.
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab):
Lab
I am aware of the time constraints, and I will rush through this. I feel as if I am intruding on an Ayrshire fight.I appreciate the opportunity to speak in t...
Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member give way?
Mr McNeil:
Lab
No, I will not. Sorry, pal, but it is not on.We cannot move people around while that type of cloak and dagger operation is going on.I will cut to the chase. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
If Michael Russell takes two minutes, that will leave one minute for Mary Scanlon and three bullet points.
Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I congratulate Irene Oldfather on having the motion selected. The fact that I had a motion on the topic—she signed my motion and I signed her motion—and that...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
I am grateful for my one minute. As a Highlands and Islands MSP, I am not in a position to comment on where services should be situated in Ayrshire. Many of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
SNP
I should say to Irene Oldfather that I know the debate has been tight but I have no discretion. The Presiding Officer has made it clear that he will only exc...
The Minister for Health and Community Care (Susan Deacon):
Lab
I am delighted to get the chance to talk about maternity services. I will attempt to focus on that, although it is tempting to respond to a number of the poi...