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Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
08 Sep 2005
New Petitions
Thank you. I add for members' information that Margaret Ann Cummings will today present the committee with a petition containing 6,000 signatures in support of a review of the current arrangements for monitoring sex offenders.I think that there has been some misunderstanding, ...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
19 Dec 2006
Child Sex Offenders Inquiry
On behalf of Margaret Ann Cummings, I record my appreciation for the work of Jackie Baillie and the sub-committee. The feedback that I have received is that the sub-committee's attention to detail was unprecedented in the Parliament. I have known a number of members who have b...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
21 Dec 2005
Current Petitions
I would like to touch on a number of issues arising from the response from the Minister for Justice. I feel that it is important to amplify, as I have done before, the concerns of Margaret Ann Cummings, who will, I hope, have a further opportunity to respond.Among the outstand...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
30 May 2006
Petition
As the committee will know, Margaret Ann Cummings—who is here today—submitted her petition on 7 June last year. She has followed its progress closely. Although it is recognised that the Executive has responded to the petition in legislation, there are a number of outstanding i...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
19 Apr 2006
Current Petitions
Yes, thank you, convener. The petition was lodged on 27 May last year. The petitioner, Margaret Ann Cummings, and I and other elected members acknowledge that there has been significant progress on the issue, with the focus on the need for additional legislation and on Profess...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) Lab Chamber
23 Feb 2011
Public Petitions Committee
I commend, as others have, the work of the Public Petitions Committee not only this session but since 1999. A number of members have already illustrated the committee’s successes during that period.I also pay tribute to the committee members for their hard work. It is recognis...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Provan) (Lab) Lab Chamber
15 Jun 2011
Taking Scotland Forward: Justice
I welcome the opportunity to speak in a justice debate. Unlike others who have made speeches over the past couple of weeks, this is not my maiden speech. Indeed, the subject that I will focus on—how best to manage registered sex offenders—is one that I have covered on many occ...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
06 Mar 2007
Child Sex Offenders
Thank you, convener. I, too, will be brief, because it is important that committee members have the opportunity to ask questions. I am sorry that I will not be able to stay for the whole meeting; the Local Government and Transport Committee is considering statutory instruments...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Chamber
28 Apr 2005
Managing Sex Offenders
I thank members who have supported my motion and the large number of organisations and individuals outwith Parliament who support the ethos of the motion. I also pay tribute to the courage and determination of Margaret Ann Cummings, who is with us this evening. Tragically, she...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Provan) (Lab) Lab Chamber
03 Dec 2015
Sex Offenders
I recognise that the management of sex offenders is a difficult subject that challenges politicians in many countries. As we consider that, let us also consider how Margaret Ann Cummings feels when she discusses how we manage registered sex offenders. Her son was murdered when...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
30 May 2006
Petition
I appreciate that there are timetabling issues. David Davidson used to be a member of the Local Government and Transport Committee and will appreciate the timetabling challenges that all committees face. In fact, I am meant to be at a Local Government and Transport Committee m...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
13 Jun 2006
Petition
I thank the committee and, in particular, the convener and the deputy convener, who met the Minister for Parliamentary Business to discuss the petition.I have a suggestion about how we can make progress and do all the things that are helpfully suggested in paragraph 25 of the ...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2006
Child Sex Offenders Inquiry
To add to that, prior to the Stuart Leggate case and the tragedy of young Mark, I had the perception that housing organisations were closely involved in the process—I am sure that Margaret Ann Cummings thought that, too. We all thought that when a sex offender as dangerous as ...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2006
Child Sex Offenders Inquiry
Margaret Ann elaborates on tariffs in her petition. When a sex offence is committed against a child, the child is at a great disadvantage because they do not have the maturity to be able to make the decisions that an adult might make. We have always argued that offences agains...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Chamber
28 Oct 2004
First Minister's Question Time · Cabinet (Meetings)
Does the First Minister support the call for an inquiry into the circumstances of the tragic murder of Mark Cummings by child sex offender Stuart Leggate? Does he also recognise that there is a need for a wide-ranging review of how we deal with convicted child sex offenders an...
Paul Martin: Lab Chamber
28 Feb 2008
Protecting Scotland's Children
There have been many well-publicised and tragic cases in England, and I will make the figures clear to Gil Paterson. The DNA database has produced matches that have allowed us to prosecute 452 homicides, 644 rapes, 222 other sex offences and 18 other violent offences. All thos...
Paul Martin Lab Chamber
11 Nov 2010
Scottish Executive Question Time · Child Sex Offenders (Management)
Six years after the tragic murder of Mark Cummings by the convicted sex offender Stuart Leggate, we have moved on. I welcome the cross-party consensus on the issue.I am not convinced that there is an argument against registered sex offenders providing that information when the...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Committee
20 Jun 2006
Petition
If the Parliamentary Bureau agrees to the proposal next week, this will be the first time that a sub-committee has been formed in the Parliament. That is testament to the seriousness of the issue and I pay tribute to the committee for giving the matter careful consideration. T...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2006
Child Sex Offenders Inquiry
I want to add a point on the notification issue. When someone is placed on the sex offenders register, my understanding is that that in itself is a public process because it is done through the judicial system. We act as if sex offenders are a secret that we put away somewhere...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
14 Nov 2006
Child Sex Offenders Inquiry
The public perception—it was certainly my perception prior to the Mark Cummings tragedy—is that agencies share information, possibly with the use of a register. We are no further forward on that. No housing agency has told me that it has access to a register that provides info...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
14 Nov 2006
Child Sex Offenders Inquiry
A disproportionate number of offenders end up in areas where there is low demand for housing. In the Mark Cummings case, Stuart Leggate was housed in the area not due to a lifestyle choice but because no other area had such a low demand for housing that people could be housed ...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
14 Nov 2006
Child Sex Offenders Inquiry
My perception is that, before the Mark Cummings case, we carefully placed offenders in particular communities, but now we cannot tell offenders where they must live. Are we going to legislate to provide a situation in which we manage offenders and tell them where they will liv...
Paul Martin: Lab Committee
08 Sep 2005
New Petitions
There are websites in the United States that list the names and addresses of a number of convicted sex offenders. The process is open, although I accept that the environment in those areas might be different from that in our communities. That issue would have to be addressed.I...
Paul Martin: Lab Chamber
06 Sep 2005
Scottish Executive's Programme
Absolutely, and I will return to that point later if I have time. I agree with Pauline McNeill on a lot of issues, but I would like to clarify a point that she made about knee-jerk reactions. Mark Cummings was murdered last July. Any proposals that are made in the Parliament t...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab Chamber
07 Jun 2007
Sex Offenders
I welcome the debate. It is appropriate on this occasion that there is no motion because that gives us the opportunity to work together. However, there will be healthy differences of opinion on some matters, which we can interrogate carefully.The Labour Party's position on sex...
Paul Martin: Lab Chamber
07 Jun 2007
Sex Offenders
I genuinely welcome that co-operation; the minister did not have to be defensive. We look forward to hearing the outcome of those discussions. Anecdotal evidence from previous cases shows that offenders such as Peter Tobin have taken advantage of the existence of different sys...
Paul Martin Lab Chamber
05 Feb 2015
General Question Time · National Accommodation Strategy for Sex Offenders
Since the murder of Mark Cummings over 10 years ago, the word “review” has been used on a number of occasions, and on a number of occasions, as a result of a number of reviews that have taken place, it has been recognised that sex offenders are disproportionately allocated hou...
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Public Petitions Committee, 08 Sep 2005

08 Sep 2005 · S2 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Justice System (Child Sex Offenders) (PE862)
Martin, Paul Lab Glasgow Springburn Watch on SPTV
Thank you. I add for members' information that Margaret Ann Cummings will today present the committee with a petition containing 6,000 signatures in support of a review of the current arrangements for monitoring sex offenders.I think that there has been some misunderstanding, in that Margaret Ann Cummings thought that she would be able to speak today. She thought that she had returned the relevant form, but there appears to have been a discrepancy. As a result, she has asked me to speak to the petition on her behalf.PE862 calls for a review of the current system of monitoring and dealing with sex offenders. There are a couple of important points that I want to make. It is important that I amplify local concerns, although not everything that I will say will necessarily reflect my views. First, I want to say something about the disclosure of sex offenders in the light of what has been called Sarah's law and the more recently proposed Mark's law, following the death of Mark Cummings. The petition calls on Parliament to at least interrogate the possibilities of disclosure. So far, there has been no interrogation by Parliament—I refer to interrogation through the committee system in particular—of the various possibilities that exist throughout the world. In other parts of the world—the United States in particular—there are disclosure programmes and there is mass disclosure of sex offenders. I am not saying that such an approach would necessarily work in the United Kingdom, or in Scotland for that matter, but the petitioners call for interrogation at least of whether that approach can be replicated in Scotland. They call for not only the Executive but for perhaps one of the subject committees—a justice committee—to consider the matter.Another issue is how housing for sex offenders is allocated. Currently, there is no coherent strategy for housing sex offenders. Stuart Leggate had been identified in another part of Scotland and therefore took up residence in the Charles Street area, where Mark Cummings was murdered. There is a misconception out there that sex offenders are carefully managed through the social services system: in fact, they are not. The process was not managed—Stuart Leggate managed his own housing prospects. He decided to stay where he was of his own accord. Margaret Ann Cummings is concerned that he was placed in a multistorey flat in Charles Street, which was predominantly populated by young children like Mark Cummings and she strongly believes that there must be a housing policy to deal with such matters.It is important to discuss the sentencing tariffs that are currently available to sheriffs. We have seen what I am about to describe in other cases. Stuart Leggate was sentenced to five years for sexual offences against children. It is certainly inadequate that a person should serve only two years of a five-year sentence. I am amplifying Margaret Ann Cummings' concerns. I keep using an analogy. We have moved the agenda on in respect of how we tackle those who are involved in trafficking drugs and so on; in my constituency, for example, a person is serving 19 years for drug smuggling, which is welcome. However, Margaret Ann Cummings and others have said that we must replicate that approach when we deal with sex offenders against children, given their predatory behaviour.There is another important issue about which Margaret Ann Cummings has been particularly concerned. A close relationship was formed with the police following the tragic murder of Mark Cummings, but how the police react when children go missing and the need to highlight where sex offenders are located when they do so are issues. Margaret Ann Cummings has called for a much more effective strategy so that we know exactly where every sex offender is when a child goes missing—she feels strongly about that. She has also raised the issue of the pace of our consideration of the matter on a number of occasions. We keep saying that there should not be a knee-jerk reaction, but Mark Cummings was killed in June 2004, which is well over a year ago. There has been talk of change and there have been various committees, but she has raised concerns with me a number of times and she wants to see change once and for all. It might not be that everyone can agree with such a change but I, too, feel strongly about it; we have to make a once-and-for-all change.I have one final point that Margaret Ann Cummings would also make. The press and media are obsessed with the vigilantes, stories about sharing information and vigilante action that has happened in the past. I make it clear that communities do not, as a rule, act in such a manner. We have seen that that is the case in my constituency and in other parts of Scotland even when people are angry and it is particularly true with Margaret Ann. I have already paid tribute to her and will do so again today. She made a constructive case on behalf of her child, who was murdered in the most appalling circumstances anyone could imagine. She is asking for people to get involved not in vigilante action, but in peaceful demonstrations such as the one that took place in George Square after Mark's death, and in other peaceful forms of protest such as petitions, the New of the World campaign and other media campaigns. We want to move forward and make this change so that we give maximum protection to children in the future in Mark's memory and, tragically and more recently, in Rory's memory.

In the same item of business

The Convener: Lab
Petition PE862, in the name of Margaret Ann Cummings, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Executive to conduct a full review of the current...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab
Thank you. I add for members' information that Margaret Ann Cummings will today present the committee with a petition containing 6,000 signatures in support ...
Ms White: SNP
I thank Paul Martin for speaking on behalf of the family and himself. It is obviously tragic that this issue has to come before the committee and that such a...
The Convener: Lab
Even if we send the petition to the Justice 2 Committee in the hope that it will consider it when it is considering the Management of Offenders etc (Scotland...
Helen Eadie: Lab
I support that. Paul Martin spoke well on the issue, and everything that he said chimes with the grave concerns that are felt throughout Scotland on this imp...
Jackie Baillie: Lab
Let me sound a cautionary note as a member of the Justice 2 Committee, then I will try to be helpful. That committee is about to commence detailed scrutiny o...
The Convener: Lab
Are members happy for the committee to conduct its affairs in that way?
John Scott: Con
Paul Martin spoke about interrogating best practice worldwide, which would be reasonable. From your inquiries, do you have examples of better practice that c...
Paul Martin: Lab
There are websites in the United States that list the names and addresses of a number of convicted sex offenders. The process is open, although I accept that...
Campbell Martin: Ind
I agree with the convener's idea to ask the Executive where the proposed action would fit into the overall legislative programme. It is clear that although t...
The Convener: Lab
It would be useful to get an overview of that. Are members happy for us to deal with the petition in that way?Members indicated agreement.
The Convener: Lab
I discovered only 15 minutes before the start of the meeting that Mrs Cummings expected to speak to the committee this morning. If there has been a misunders...