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The Convener: Con Committee
17 Dec 2002
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
That takes us to annexe B, which is the substantial paper that members must consider this morning. The paper contains a great deal of underlined text. It is taken from what we have cleared in principle so far—in other words, I took it from the web. It contains the bolding to w...
The Convener: Con Committee
21 Jan 2003
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
Subject to the changes that Susan Deacon has requested, to which I am sure we can respond, I have nothing else to say on that section except that the next few paragraphs—813 to 818—are about regional meetings. I am conscious that the committee agreed to incorporate some of the...
Mr Murray Tosh (South of Scotland) (Con): Con Chamber
09 Dec 1999
Draft Standing Orders
It is with great pleasure that, on behalf of my colleagues on the Procedures Committee and our splendid team of officers, who are arrayed along the back of the chamber, I present to the Parliament a draft set of standing orders. It is appropriate that this is the first committ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
01 Apr 2004
Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 20, in the name of Rhona Brankin, is grouped with amendments 1, 22, 23, 28, 30, 91, 2, 3, 33, 33A, 33B, 33C, 33D and 93. If amendment 20 is agreed to, amendments 1 and 21 are pre-empted. If amendment 91 is agreed to, amendments 2 and 31 are pre-empted. If amendment 3...
Murray Tosh (West of Scotland) (Con): Con Chamber
08 Jun 2006
Regulatory Framework
I start by associating myself with the remarks of Sylvia Jackson and Stewart Maxwell about the work of the clerks and advisers to the committee. In the first stages of his speech, Stewart Maxwell indulged in a bit of humour, which demonstrated to the chamber the camaraderie in...
The Convener: Con Committee
05 Oct 1999
Priority Issues
It is a moot point whether that decision is for the committee of conveners or the bureau or for both, but Janis's point is perfectly valid and should be remitted on. As members who have to come to Edinburgh on Monday will probably feel like the victims of this change, all comm...
The Convener: Con Committee
07 Nov 2000
Standing Orders
That is understood. We will live with that and incorporate any further changes in any subsequent report that we make to Parliament on changing standing orders. That is the matter satisfactorily resolved. I think that we are all quite pleased about that. Another proposed change...
The Convener: Con Committee
03 Apr 2001
Standing Orders
We have three options, which we examined before Christmas. At that stage, the committee expressed a preference for option B, which was to introduce changes to the standing orders. We agreed to that in principle, but we also agreed that there should be a more detailed paper to ...
The Convener: Con Committee
17 Dec 2002
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
That is an interesting perspective. We could perhaps take something out of that and include it because parties are a vehicle for public opinion to influence politics, but they are not captured in the formal model of consultation documents and parliamentary committees. Politici...
The Convener: Con Committee
07 Jan 2003
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
I hoped that paragraphs 587 to 589 would be agreed to, as they reflect fairly faithfully the origins of the issue and the discussion that we held in a previous meeting. They repeat the recommendation about repatriating our internal procedures and specifically defer the co-opti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
24 Apr 2002
Freedom of Information (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
That point has already been accepted and will be considered. However, this afternoon, we are bound by the timetabling motion that was agreed. The question is, that amendment 71 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
12 Mar 2003
Agricultural Holdings <br />(Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 82 be agreed to. Are we agreed? I think that that is agreed.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh): Con Chamber
11 Dec 2003
Decision Time
There are potentially five questions to be put as a result of today's business. I advise members that if amendment S2M-718.3, in the name of Peter Peacock, on reform of public services, is agreed to, amendment S2M-718.1, in the name of Shona Robison, and amendment S2M-718.2, i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh): Con Chamber
18 Mar 2004
Decision Time
There may be nine questions to be put as a result of today's business. However, I remind members that, in relation to this morning's debate on the abolition of the council tax, if the amendment in the name of Tavish Scott is agreed to, the amendments in the names of Brian Mont...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh): Con Chamber
10 Nov 2005
Decision Time
There are up to five questions to be put as a result of today's business. In relation to this morning's debate on energy policy, if the amendment in the name of Allan Wilson is agreed to, the amendments in the names of Alex Johnstone and Shiona Baird will fall.The first questi...
The Convener: Con Committee
05 Oct 1999
Priority Issues
I hope that that will be the last vote. We shall see.Item 19 concerns the issue of suspension and adjournment. As this is a very straightforward point, can we simply accept the suggested amendments to standing orders to allow suspension of business? That is agreed.Items 23, 24...
The Convener: Con Committee
14 Dec 1999
Correspondence
I do not think that that is what is being proposed, although I know no more than what is in the letter. The convener of the Finance Committee is trying to establish a convention whereby amendments to bills—amendments that are agreed by the whole committee—carry more weight tha...
The Convener: Con Committee
23 May 2000
Consultative Steering Group (Key Principles)
If we have agreed the scope, the timetable and the news release, we have agreed everything that we need to agree and we can conclude the meeting. It has been exceptionally long and I attribute that entirely to the absence of Michael Russell, but there you go. Thank you all for...
The Convener: Con Committee
07 Nov 2000
Private Legislation
There is a change in paragraph 130. It is simply a procedural point. There are additional comments in paragraph 132 and a recommendation is set out in paragraph 133.I ask members to approve the report in principle, with the various amendments that have been flagged up. We have...
The Convener: Con Committee
19 Dec 2000
Committee Operations
The suggestion is that it should be intimated, but that might not have happened previously. That is the purpose of our recommendation.As we have agreed the recommendation, we will implement it at once. I invite any remaining members of the public, press or outside organisation...
The Convener: Con Committee
06 Mar 2001
Bills and Bill Amendments<br />(Time Scales)
I warn members who have not been on the committee for long that this is an extremely interesting area for questioning; they enter it at their peril.The committee discussed several issues before its personnel changed. The changes that have been agreed are covered in changes to ...
The Convener: Con Committee
06 Mar 2001
Parliamentary Questions
I am delighted to take up that offer. In fact, I have discussed the issue with Mr McCabe on a couple of occasions. I anticipate that we will take forward what I think has emerged as a general degree of consensus about how we approach the issue. We are not taking final decision...
The Convener: Con Committee
06 Mar 2001
Parliamentary Questions
If we could reach 17 questions every week, we would feel that we were getting through a fair volume of business. We should concentrate on attempting to attain that standard every week. The issue will return to us.Further issues that were raised are contained in annexe E of the...
The Convener: Con Committee
03 Apr 2001
Standing Orders
I think that an agreement has evolved that we are happy with the Presiding Officer's ruling. We look forward to his exercising his discretion on future occasions.The final matter under agenda item 3 is the draft report. Because the report contains recommendations from the pape...
The Convener: Con Committee
01 May 2001
Parliamentary Questions
If ministers decide to use a question that has already been lodged, it is obvious that that question would not have been lodged as an inspired question. It would not be tagged—it would simply be a question that had been lodged to which the answer might incorporate an announcem...
The Convener: Con Committee
29 May 2001
Parliamentary Questions
I think that we have already agreed to extend the period allowed for answers and the time in the pre-recess period to try to ease the burden. It is realistic for the committee to propose that we run the proposal this summer and see how it goes. Annexe A recommends that we look...
The Convener: Con Committee
18 Dec 2001
Committees (Substitution)
Gil Paterson's point is on the record and can form part of our considerations when we next discuss this issue.Because of what we have agreed about notice, periods of notice will not apply, so there is no choice to be made between the options set out in paragraph 25.Paragraph 2...
The Convener: Con Committee
26 Nov 2002
Consultative Steering Group Report
I am acutely conscious of that difficulty. One way in which it might be possible to resolve the problem would be by passing a standing order, but the standing order would be prescriptive and would not allow scope for judgment. We would also run the risk of moving a change in t...
The Convener (Mr Murray Tosh): Con Committee
03 Dec 2002
Consultative Steering Group Report
We are now quorate, so we will make a start. I welcome everyone to the 17th meeting this year of the Procedures Committee—do not all shout at once, "Is it only 17?" I welcome Trish Godman, who is a substitute member of the committee. She is not here in that capacity today, but...
The Convener: Con Committee
03 Dec 2002
Consultative Steering Group Report
That picks up on Susan Deacon's point about getting greater advance knowledge of topics. Although we cannot expect the Executive to indicate that subject X will be debated on December 17, it would be realistic to have an indication of the sort of topics that were being conside...
The Convener: Con Committee
10 Dec 2002
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry Report
I might have agreed with that but for the fact that I am on the conveners group and have seen how the matter has evolved. There was initially tension between the Public Petitions Committee and the subject committees. The Public Petitions Committee had to bomb many petitions on...
The Convener: Con Committee
07 Jan 2003
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
You will remember that we discussed that previously under two headings. We discussed co-option, on which we were not agreed, and we discussed it again, by implication, when we discussed gaining full control of our own procedures. To try to advance that debate, I have drafted n...
The Convener: Con Committee
07 Jan 2003
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
We previously discussed and agreed to the resourcing by the SPCB of ad hoc meetings of that nature. We also agreed that regional meetings should be genuine regional meetings, and should not be restricted by the electoral regions, which essentially are artificial. I will go bac...
The Convener: Con Committee
04 Feb 2003
Sewel Convention and Sewel Motions
I think that we agreed to determine a basis on which the committee could draw up a response to the minister that would contain the possibility of a meeting, if we all felt that that would be worth while. With respect, Donald, you are taking us back to substantive points and ru...
The Convener: Con Committee
11 Feb 2003
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
We did, in that we agreed that the paragraph would go in the report, but I think that you said that you had reservations about the Scottish Civic Forum issue.My view is that I would not go to the stake for the Civic Forum as it is—either for the organisation or the name. I am ...
The Convener: Con Committee
25 Feb 2003
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
You are probably right, but if there is no general agreement on a bill at the end of committee's stage 1 report, an Executive that is promoting a bill as a big election commitment has a legitimate right to expect that its MSPs will support the general principles of that bill. ...
The Convener: Con Committee
25 Feb 2003
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
It is clear that paragraph 1 in the optional insertion should go, as we have not agreed to recommend changes to bureau membership—I think that the same is true of paragraph 2—but the other proposals concern a back-benchers' group. The proposals could be amended to take out fur...
Murray Tosh: Con Committee
08 Feb 2006
Parliamentary Time
Excellent—I knew that somebody would know what they are called. We often have mini-debates at the tail-end of the day on Scottish statutory instruments, although not as often as we used to. There is a fair bit of flexibility there. How you would keep that flexibility but ban t...
Mr Tosh: Con Committee
20 Nov 2001
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The purpose of amendment 65, as originally conceived, was to get round the great tangle that was amendment 53 and all the amendments to that amendment. Its genesis was an e-mail—I am not sure where the e-mail came from or whether other members received it—that carried the name...
Murray Tosh: Con Committee
07 Mar 2006
Delegated Powers Scrutiny
We have, but we were given clear guidance in informal meetings that the Executive agreed with our interpretation and, reluctantly, we agreed that there was a need for incidental, supplemental, consequential, transitory, transitional or saving provisions to be made. However, th...
Mr Murray Tosh (South of Scotland) (Con): Con Committee
20 Sep 2000
Public Petitions (Procedure)
It is a bit worrying that committees are adopting new procedures without discussing them at the conveners liaison group or through the Procedures Committee. Although I have had no time to research the matter since I received the paper, it seems that the whole basis of dealing ...
Mr Tosh: Con Committee
28 Feb 2001
Subordinate Legislation
Returning to the transfer of functions order, I want to ask the minister about the issue of exercising functions concurrently with the Secretary of State. As I understand it from what you have said, minister, the size of the payment is already agreed between your department an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh): Con Chamber
12 Dec 2001
Decision Time
We now come to decision time. There are six questions to be put as a result of today's business. The first question is, that amendment S1M-2538.1, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, which seeks to amend motion S1M-2538, in the name of Malcolm Chisholm, on the national health serv...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
12 Dec 2001
Decision Time
The second question is, that amendment S1M-2538.3, in the name of Mary Scanlon, which seeks to amend motion S1M-2538, in the name of Malcolm Chisholm, on the national health service, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
12 Dec 2001
Decision Time
The third question is, that motion S1M-2538, in the name of Malcolm Chisholm, on the national health service, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
06 Feb 2002
Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 18 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
06 Feb 2002
Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 19A be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh): Con Chamber
07 Feb 2002
Decision Time
There are eight questions to be put as a result of today's business. The first question is, that amendment S1M-2703.1, in the name of Wendy Alexander, which seeks to amend motion S1M-2703, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on Scotland's road network, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
07 Feb 2002
Decision Time
The second question is, that amendment S1M-2703.2, in the name of David Mundell, which seeks to amend motion S1M-2703, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on Scotland's road network, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
07 Feb 2002
Decision Time
The third question is, that motion S1M-2703, in the name of Kenny MacAskill, on Scotland's road network, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
07 Feb 2002
Decision Time
The next question is, that amendment S1M-2697.2, in the name of Cathy Jamieson, which seeks to amend motion S1M-2697, in the name of Michael Russell, on class sizes and pupil attainment, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
07 Feb 2002
Decision Time
Amendment S1M-2697.1, in the name of Brian Monteith, is pre-empted.The next question is, that motion S1M-2697, in the name of Michael Russell, on class sizes and pupil attainment, as amended, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
07 Feb 2002
Decision Time
The next question is, that motion S1M-2619, in the name of Alex Neil, on the general principles of the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) (Scotland) Bill, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
13 Feb 2002
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 8 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
13 Feb 2002
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 9 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
13 Feb 2002
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 41 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
13 Feb 2002
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 10 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
13 Feb 2002
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 42 be agreed to. Are we all agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
13 Feb 2002
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is that amendment 50 be agreed to. Are we all agreed?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con Chamber
13 Feb 2002
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The question is, that amendment 51 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
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Procedures Committee, 17 Dec 2002

17 Dec 2002 · S1 · Procedures Committee
Item of business
Consultative Steering Group Inquiry
Tosh, Murray Con South of Scotland Watch on SPTV
That takes us to annexe B, which is the substantial paper that members must consider this morning. The paper contains a great deal of underlined text. It is taken from what we have cleared in principle so far—in other words, I took it from the web. It contains the bolding to which we agreed and much underlined text. Some underlined text consists of the minor textual amendments to which we have agreed, but much of it is additional text that I have written. I want to explain that text this morning, as there are amendments to the report that will need to be justified.As a result of the numbering changes, I suggest that we work through the two documents in parallel, otherwise members might find it difficult to track what I am saying. All the most substantive changes are in the introductory section. The later changes are largely textual, but there is new material in the introduction, as it was not possible to recast the introduction until we had gone through the whole paper and tested the committee's views.The first section of annexe B is entitled "Aims of the Review". The changes look reasonably substantial, but are broadly of two types. In paragraph 4, I have included the motion that the Parliament agreed to in 1999 to approve the adoption of the consultative steering group's principles. That was in a footnote, but I have brought it into the main text, as the statement is significant.Paragraph 5 corresponds to the previous paragraph 6. I have reversed paragraphs 5 and 6. In what is now paragraph 5, I have taken the text from the end of the paragraph and put it at the beginning. It is substantially the same text, but at the beginning rather than the end. I have ended paragraph 5 with the second set of bullet points.Paragraph 6 contains the text that was paragraph 5 and I have added a further sentence to it, which notes the fact that, in May 2000, the Procedures Committee agreed to investigate the application of the consultative steering group principles. I have added a little bit in paragraph 7 to distinguish between the two meetings. At the first meeting, we agreed that we would do the work and we commissioned a study of the issues. At the second meeting, in 2001, we agreed the substantive remit. The wording of the remit is as it was. I have slightly changed the introduction to paragraph 7.I have also slightly reworded the beginning of paragraph 8, although there is no substantive change. I have added a couple of sentences to paragraph 9 to emphasise that we will seek to identify areas in which the Parliament needs to make progress to achieve its objectives, that we will look firmly to the future and that we will make suggestions to other people and bodies in the Parliament about how we might move forward. Those changes are not substantive; they are largely a reorganisation of text. There are no changes in the "Approach adopted" section, as that is largely a matter of record. I changed the "Structure of the paper" heading to "Our Approach to the Principles", because the paragraphs in question are largely an explanation of how we intend to address the principles, given our reversal of their order. Paragraph 17 contains some minor textual changes. I included the suggestion from Professor McCrone's paper that power sharing should be regarded as an overarching aspiration. Professor McCrone enabled us to work that in. Paragraphs 18 and 19 are simply reworkings of the previous versions of those paragraphs.As paragraph 20 is new, members will want to have a look at it. I point out:"We have responded to many of the detailed points and issues which were raised with us, but this is not intended to be only a reactive report. We have tried to identify the overriding concerns of those who made submissions to us, and to relate these to the rationale underlying the CSG principles, and to the experience which we think that the Parliament has had in trying to operate within the spirit of the principles."I still try to divide the context between the reaction to what people have said to us and the overview that we will take.I have suggested "Overview of the Evidence" as the title for the next section, given that I have reorganised the later sections. As well as some minor changes, I have made some more substantive ones. Although the first three paragraphs of the section are simply rewording exercises, paragraph 24 contains substantial additional text, which members might want to examine. I reflect the slight tension that exists. Some people argued that blockages stood in the way of their effective participation in the parliamentary system. I have tried to deal with that and to acknowledge that we need to strike a balance. Although our perspective may often be that we need to get on with the business of resolving issues, we must allow time for people to participate. Paragraph 24 is true to the spirit of the original version, which was paragraph 23, but it fleshes out the issues much more.Paragraph 25 is entirely new. In the power-sharing section, I think that we are agreed—although we will have to test that finally—that our general attitude to confidentiality and privacy will be that matters that are regarded as confidential are confidential and should be dealt with in private. We will ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, the Parliamentary Bureau and the conveners group to consider how they might make their transactions more transparent. Those bodies should look at their agendas, minutes, papers and any other accounts of their business that they publish. That is the consensual way in which we will put such responsibility on to those bodies. It is a sufficiently strong message for us to be entitled to say, as I have suggested in paragraph 25, that privacy and confidentiality were raised with us as a concern. The argument is that current practice can be a barrier to true participation. That is a statement of the evidence.Paragraph 26 is on the same point and it is entirely new text. I have included the argument, with which I think we all agree, that the Parliament is very open by any criteria that anyone cares to come up with and that much of the criticism has been overstated. I have also reflected the important point that Fiona Hyslop made, with reference to the bureau, that to open up business entirely could create difficulties. The bodies that might be invited to become more open in their business will have to take those difficulties into account. The paragraph goes on to say:"we have previously welcomed moves to open up business further, such as the Bureau's decision to publish a note of its decisions, and the SPCB's decision to publish its minutes."I also indicated that we will return to those issues later in the report and that we will make further recommendations. We have not made the recommendations yet, but I think that we will recommend something that is sufficiently substantial for the comments to be justified.

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The Convener (Mr Murray Tosh): Con
Welcome to the 19th and final meeting of the Procedures Committee in 2002. The papers that have been circulated contain the updated version—as far as it was ...
Mr Kenneth Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab): Lab
I wish to make a point to which I alluded last week, although I did not make it explicitly. Susan Deacon has also made the point. We are doing a huge amount ...
The Convener: Con
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The Convener: Con
That takes us to annexe B, which is the substantial paper that members must consider this morning. The paper contains a great deal of underlined text. It is ...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD
By far the most controversial issue that has been raised about committees meeting in private concerns their discussions of committee reports. I wonder whethe...
Mr Macintosh: Lab
Are we talking about discussion of reports?
Donald Gorrie: LD
Yes. I refer to the finalising of reports in private.
Mr Macintosh: Lab
I am not sure whether the discussion of reports in private was a bigger issue than the tendency to drift into meeting in private unnecessarily, which I thoug...
The Convener: Con
I am not focusing properly on this discussion, because I am trying to work out the sequence of the text. What is printed as paragraph 27 repeats material tha...
Mr Macintosh: Lab
So the point has already been made. Will anything be added in bold at this stage?
The Convener: Con
Yes, because I made changes to what was paragraph 24, on the role of the media. I have not got a clue what changes were made; they might have been minor text...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab): Lab
I will make a point that I have made before on holding meetings in private. I have found holding meetings in private helpful. If we considered the issue from...
The Convener: Con
When we discussed power sharing, we agreed that committees should still have that option but that we would change the balance of expectation. Our concern has...
Mr Macintosh: Lab
On a point of clarification, was paragraph 32 of annexe A omitted?
The Convener: Con
No, I think that that paragraph comes in later.
Mr Macintosh: Lab
That is fine.
The Convener: Con
I felt that paragraph 32 was about a specific matter that would be better placed with the recommendations on how we might work with various partnerships, rat...
Mr Macintosh: Lab
Indeed. I congratulate you on having a go at that, convener; it has bedevilled us throughout the inquiry. In general, you have got it right and you have cert...
The Convener: Con
No—it is not true that only the Executive parties do that.
Mr Macintosh: Lab
It is not true, but it is in the nature of the fact that the Executive is the dominant force.
The Convener: Con
That is why I put in the expression "noisy oppositions" somewhere.
Mr Macintosh: Lab
Yes, indeed. I was going to ask you what "attitudinising" meant in paragraph 41, but I am sure that you will elaborate on that later.All parties in the Parli...
The Convener: Con
The expression "consensual way of working" is important. A consensual way of working and a consensus are two entirely different things. The first phrase refe...
Donald Gorrie: LD
Posturing.
The Convener: Con
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Paul Martin: Lab
My comments are similar to those that Ken Macintosh made. I am more than happy with the way that the convener has captured the committee's views. You have en...
The Convener: Con
The Athenian democracy model of a parliament of utter independence was all very well when government was about weights and measures and keeping the slaves un...
Donald Gorrie: LD
And the women.
The Convener: Con
Indeed. The Athenians did that as well.If government is a matter of moving programmes forward, commanding resources and shaping agendas, some kind of vision ...
Donald Gorrie: LD
In the past, other members of the committee have rightly made the criticism that the CSG principles and some of the discussion that arose from them ignored t...