Chamber
Plenary, 28 Oct 1999
28 Oct 1999 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
European Structural Funds
It is inevitable that much of the back-bench debate on this issue has revolved around parochial matters. After all, we have been sent here to look after our constituencies, however those may be defined.
I make no apology for continuing the trend of the debate. I have considerable concerns that reflect a number of representations that I—and I imagine other Glasgow MSPs—have received from Glasgow City Council, the Glasgow Alliance, the Strathclyde European Partnership, Heatwise and, from my own area, the Castlemilk Partnership, about the effects of operating objective 2 status.
I do not think that there is any general objection to basing funding on wards instead of on local authorities, and we broadly accept the logic behind that plan as outlined by the minister. However, we need to question how some of the wards have been selected. Cathy Peattie, Sylvia Jackson and other members eloquently outlined the problems in their areas, and I have to do the same for Castlemilk. The ways in which those ward boundaries have been chosen cause real difficulties in that area of the Cathcart constituency. Although there are three wards in the Castlemilk district, the Castlemilk ward itself is to be excluded—the organisations that operate in the ward find that inexplicable.
I do not know whether it will be possible to have a rethink on that issue. The detail emerged only relatively recently. I understood from the minister that the European Commission could amend the UK submission, and I hope very much that any amendments can be made before the EC announces its final decisions.
Castlemilk stands to suffer if the centre of the district is excluded from objective 2 status. Although Glasgow City Council wanted such status for 75 per cent of the city, only 61 per cent will be covered. That is serious. I know by talking to MSPs from other parts of the country that Glasgow tends not to get much sympathy. It is thought that, as Glasgow has had considerable assistance in the past, it needs less assistance now. All the now widely accepted poverty indicators are most obvious in Glasgow, which is not to say that other parts of Scotland do not have them. Although Castlemilk has improved greatly over the past 10 years as one of the partnership areas in the new life for urban Scotland programme, the area still has serious problems, which is evident from many of the poverty indicators.
For the first time, the new European structural fund boundaries will create boundaries within Castlemilk, with the potential to set communities and residents there at odds with one another. I have to tell the minister that the proposed boundaries seem to run contrary to the tenets of the social inclusion policy. Although Castlemilk cannot be one of the social inclusion partnerships because of what has happened over the past 10 years, the Glasgow Alliance regards the area's needs to be sufficiently important as to merit funding and to allow it effectively to continue as a social inclusion partnership area.
Local people and organisations will not understand the divide being drawn within the council ward boundaries. We might have a potentially divisive situation whereby people are refused access to opportunities because they have the wrong address in an area such as Castlemilk, and that might destroy some of the community consensus built up over the past 10 years.
I make no apology for continuing the trend of the debate. I have considerable concerns that reflect a number of representations that I—and I imagine other Glasgow MSPs—have received from Glasgow City Council, the Glasgow Alliance, the Strathclyde European Partnership, Heatwise and, from my own area, the Castlemilk Partnership, about the effects of operating objective 2 status.
I do not think that there is any general objection to basing funding on wards instead of on local authorities, and we broadly accept the logic behind that plan as outlined by the minister. However, we need to question how some of the wards have been selected. Cathy Peattie, Sylvia Jackson and other members eloquently outlined the problems in their areas, and I have to do the same for Castlemilk. The ways in which those ward boundaries have been chosen cause real difficulties in that area of the Cathcart constituency. Although there are three wards in the Castlemilk district, the Castlemilk ward itself is to be excluded—the organisations that operate in the ward find that inexplicable.
I do not know whether it will be possible to have a rethink on that issue. The detail emerged only relatively recently. I understood from the minister that the European Commission could amend the UK submission, and I hope very much that any amendments can be made before the EC announces its final decisions.
Castlemilk stands to suffer if the centre of the district is excluded from objective 2 status. Although Glasgow City Council wanted such status for 75 per cent of the city, only 61 per cent will be covered. That is serious. I know by talking to MSPs from other parts of the country that Glasgow tends not to get much sympathy. It is thought that, as Glasgow has had considerable assistance in the past, it needs less assistance now. All the now widely accepted poverty indicators are most obvious in Glasgow, which is not to say that other parts of Scotland do not have them. Although Castlemilk has improved greatly over the past 10 years as one of the partnership areas in the new life for urban Scotland programme, the area still has serious problems, which is evident from many of the poverty indicators.
For the first time, the new European structural fund boundaries will create boundaries within Castlemilk, with the potential to set communities and residents there at odds with one another. I have to tell the minister that the proposed boundaries seem to run contrary to the tenets of the social inclusion policy. Although Castlemilk cannot be one of the social inclusion partnerships because of what has happened over the past 10 years, the Glasgow Alliance regards the area's needs to be sufficiently important as to merit funding and to allow it effectively to continue as a social inclusion partnership area.
Local people and organisations will not understand the divide being drawn within the council ward boundaries. We might have a potentially divisive situation whereby people are refused access to opportunities because they have the wrong address in an area such as Castlemilk, and that might destroy some of the community consensus built up over the past 10 years.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
The first item of business this morning is a debate on motion S1M-230, in the name of Mr Jack McConnell, on European structural funds. The amendment in the n...
The Minister for Finance (Mr Jack McConnell):
Lab
I am happy today to move the motion, but disappointed that Mr Sheridan has not been able to make it to the debate. The role of the Parliament and the Executi...
Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West):
*
On 8 October, the minister issued a statement that referred to the objective 2 proposals that are being submitted by the UK Government to the European Commis...
Mr McConnell:
Lab
As Mr Canavan knows, the Executive has consulted the European Committee a great deal. The proposals that have been submitted, with our support, to the Europe...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP):
SNP
I refer to the issue that Mr Canavan touched on. Will there be an opportunity for the minister to reflect on any of the objective 2 allocations that have bee...
Mr McConnell:
Lab
My officials have already held discussions with representatives of Dundee City Council on that matter. I expect the plan team not only to take on board those...
Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
I wish to return to the point made by Dennis Canavan and John Swinney. The minister seemed to close the door to cases that MSPs may raise from now on relatin...
Mr McConnell:
Lab
I would be grateful if those who take the record of debates in this chamber would ensure that Mr Crawford receives a copy of my answers to the two interventi...
Dr Winnie Ewing (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
Will the Minister give an assurance that each of the Highlands and Islands regions will be represented on the monitoring committee? I am receiving worried le...
Mr McConnell:
Lab
I am keen for smaller bodies that are responsible for the quality of the programmes and strategy to be represented but I also want broad-based representative...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
Minister, you are now into injury time. I am happy to allow it because of the number of interventions that you have taken, but it is now time to wind up.
Mr McConnell:
Lab
I was keen to take the interventions because of the subject. I will shortly be seeking nominations for the five new committees, which are to be in place by t...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
Because of the ministerial statement at 12 pm the debate is shorter than scheduled so there is no prospect of being able to call everybody on the list. I wil...
Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
Last year, when the European Commission announced proposals for widespread reform of the EU structural funds, it was generally accepted that the structural f...
Hugh Henry (Paisley South) (Lab):
Lab
Does Mr Crawford recognise that one of the reasons that the Highlands and Islands lost out was its growing prosperity and that under the rules it would not h...
Bruce Crawford:
SNP
That is exactly the point, Mr Henry. I ask him about Finland and Sweden given their particular situation—MEMBERS: "Answer the question." I will come to exact...
Mr McConnell:
Lab
This is a point that needs to be pressed. Will Mr Crawford confirm that the Highlands and Islands is the only area in the European Union that did not meet th...
Bruce Crawford:
SNP
I will turn to the special package. I well recall the fanfare when it was announced. It had always been the European Commission's intention to support areas ...
Mr McConnell:
Lab
Mr Crawford did not want to answer my first question, so I will ask a different one. Will he confirm that as a result of the new package of structural funds ...
Bruce Crawford:
SNP
If there was ever a distortion, that is it. The First Minister said clearly that if the money that the Executive gets from Europe goes up, the money from the...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I am grateful to Mr Crawford for moving his amendment in less than the time allotted to him. I encourage David Davidson to be equally brief.
Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con):
Con
I always pay attention to what you have to say, Sir David. You will not be surprised that I do not totally agree with the minister's motion, which suggests t...
Andrew Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I am grateful for the consummate politeness of Mr Davidson. He hits the nail on the head when he talks about additionality being at UK level. The point is th...
Mr Davidson:
Con
I will perhaps return to answer that question later in my speech because I have some comments to make about that issue.
Mr McConnell:
Lab
I know that SNP members have difficulty understanding some of the finances of the Executive in this Parliament. Perhaps Mr Davidson could confirm to the Parl...
Mr Davidson:
Con
I am always happy to help the Minister for Finance to do his job correctly. If he will have patience, I will come on to that. I will not just pick up bits an...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
Will Mr Davidson give way?
Mr Davidson:
Con
Be brief, Mr Rumbles, as time is pressing.
Mr Rumbles:
LD
On the previous two occasions on which I have intervened, Mr Davidson has suffered from terrible amnesia about the effect of the previous Conservative Govern...
Mr Davidson:
Con
I am grateful that Mr Rumbles is concerned about my health, sleeping patterns and forgetfulness. If he wants to take that argument further, I suggest that he...