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Michael Matheson SNP Committee
29 Sep 2015
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Although the amendments all relate to keeping a person in custody under chapter 2 of part 1 of the bill, they address four distinct issues. Most of my amendments, and amendments 13 to 17 in the name of John Pentland, deal with the proposal to allow the maximum detention period...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
28 Mar 2017
Railway Policing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is worth keeping in mind that the extent of Taser deployment, which is to a limited number of train stations in Scotland, is on a smaller scale than it is in other parts of the UK. I believe that that is reflected in part in the risk assessment that the BTP conducted with r...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
14 Nov 2017
Subordinate Legislation
I can provide assurances from the experience that we have to date from pilots that we have been operating, which is that no issues have been identified of the nature that you have raised, and some of the establishments involved have residential properties very close by. The e...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
18 Jan 2022
ScotWind Offshore Wind Leasing Round
I am grateful to the member for welcoming the outcome from ScotWind and for recognising the huge economic opportunities that it creates. The member made reference to the oil and gas sector. A number of those that have secured lease options are major oil and gas companies. Tha...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
21 Jan 2014
Suicide Prevention
In any mental health debate, the prescribing of antidepressants is inevitably raised. It is worth keeping it in mind that medication for mental illness is as valid as medication for coronary heart disease or for arthritis. It is a legitimate form of treatment, when it is appro...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
07 Feb 2017
Subordinate Legislation
No, there is no evidence of that. There have been suggestions that the loss of consensual stop and search could result in particular types of crime increasing. In particular, reference has been made to the possibility of an increase in knife crime. However, in the evidence tha...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP Chamber
05 Dec 2013
World AIDS Day 2013
Like others, I congratulate Sarah Boyack on securing time for this debate, which raises the profile of the 25th world AIDS day last Sunday. As several members have pointed out, this is a topic of global importance and it is worth bearing in mind that, worldwide, the tide is st...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP Committee
27 Jan 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am aware that in some of the evidence that you have received concerns have been raised about what you have described as cold release and its implications. However, it is worth taking a step back to consider certain issues. Although the intention of the bill is to end automat...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
15 Dec 2015
Police Scotland (Interception of Communications)
No, I do not agree with that. Of course there are areas for improvement and ways in which the Scottish Police Authority can ensure that it undertakes robust and challenging oversight of the way in which Police Scotland operates to identify areas where it believes improvement c...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
06 Dec 2016
Topical Question Time · Police Control Rooms (Near Misses)
It is worth recording in the Parliament that the public body in Scotland that deals with more freedom of information requests than any other part of the public sector is Police Scotland. At the moment it is doing a piece of work to look at what information it can readily put i...
Michael Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
06 Feb 2007
Prisoner Escort and Court Custody Services Contract
I have a few comments. I missed the committee's initial consideration of this issue, but when I was reading the note a number of questions came to mind. I was taken by the point in paragraph 5 that Reliance is currently in negotiations to vary the existing contract. That raise...
Michael Matheson (Falkirk West) (SNP): SNP Chamber
15 Jan 2009
Health Boards<br />(Membership and Elections) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Presiding Officer, you were given notice of my delay in being present at the start of the debate. Unfortunately, I missed the cabinet secretary's opening speech due to Network Rail arranging a signal failure that affected my train journey this morning. As a regular train user,...
Michael Matheson: SNP Committee
19 Jun 2001
Cornton Vale Prison (Visit)
I would like to highlight a couple of issues that struck me most. Over the years, many of the problems in Cornton Vale have related to the remand provisions there. This was my second visit to Cornton Vale and I noticed that there has been a marked improvement in the remand uni...
Michael Matheson: SNP Committee
12 Feb 2002
Freedom of Information (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I welcome the minister's comments. If we do not have a gate-keeping mechanism for individuals applying for information to large public authorities in particular, that may lead to difficulties. It would be easy for an individual to contact a department that they think holds the...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
13 May 2015
Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
One of the aims of the licensing regime that we are introducing is to identify who holds air weapons and where in Scotland they are. A person will need to make proper arrangements for keeping their air weapons securely, and we will work with Police Scotland and shooting intere...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
15 Jan 2015
Emergency Services
I am aware of the terrible incident at Clydebank police station last week. Of course, the emergency services responded in an exemplary way to deal with that particular issue. I am sure that the member will recognise that again, in 2014, we witnessed events of a catastrophic p...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Based on a recommendation that was made by Lord Carloway, the bill will change the provisions in the 2010 act to push the gate-keeping process that the convener referred to from the beginning of the consideration of an appeal to the end. Under the bill, the appeal court will n...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
29 Sep 2015
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Children can be seriously affected by parental arrest, custody and imprisonment. While there are already areas of good practice, I agree that we need to ensure a consistent multi-agency approach to addressing the impact on children when a parent is arrested or held in custody....
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
08 Dec 2015
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
It is, of course, important for the courts to be able to consider those matters at those particular times. One of the most important issues is that, when someone is in breach of bail, they are brought before the court quickly in order for it to come to a determination on the i...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Michael Matheson) SNP Committee
08 Dec 2016
Scottish Government Policing Priorities and Budgeting 2017-18
I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss policing with the Justice Sub-Committee on Policing. I am sure that members will want to discuss a number of issues and challenges, but I start by saying that we have a great deal to be proud of in relation to policing. Police offic...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
19 Jun 2019
Transport (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Section 55 of the bill will enable the Scottish ministers to make regulations regarding “the keeping of accounts by local authorities in connection with” the enforcement of parking prohibitions, and regarding “the purposes for which a surplus” in those accounts may be used...
Michael Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
18 May 2004
Children's Hearings
We have had a number of debates on youth justice in recent years, in the Hub and in the chamber. In the course of those debates, several members have raised concerns about how the children's hearings system operates. In one of those debates, two years ago, I asked ministers to...
Michael Matheson: SNP Chamber
15 May 2008
Free Personal Care
Well, Mr McNeil, you are welcome to come along and see how robust questioning should be done in an effective manner, which is certainly not your manner in committee, from what I have heard.Like many others in this debate, I welcome the latest report from Lord Sutherland becaus...
Michael Matheson: SNP Chamber
02 Sep 2009
Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed <br />al-Megrahi (Decision)
No—I want to make some progress.It is fair to say that the visit to the prison was unprecedented. However, it is worth keeping in mind the fact that the prisoner transfer agreement under which the application had been made was also unprecedented. The agreement was the first to...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
28 Sep 2011
Mental Health
I am absolutely delighted that Dr Simpson has taken up that kind offer; the pressure is now on Mary Scanlon and Alison McInnes to take it up. Time will tell.In developing the draft strategy, we decided to bring our mental health services work and our mental health improvement ...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
08 Jun 2011
Taking Scotland Forward: Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy
I assure the member that the Government is fully committed to the provision of the sick kids service here in Edinburgh and that that will remain the case.I want to make progress on a few other issues that have been raised during the debate. Margaret McDougall made a point abou...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
29 May 2012
Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We are certainly nowhere near a tipping point, as you described it. I would see the longer term being around the 10-year strategy on self-directed support that we launched in 2010 with COSLA and the move towards much greater self-directed support.It is worth keeping in mind th...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
29 May 2012
Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is worth keeping in mind the bill’s purpose, which is to put the choices that people must be provided with on a statutory footing. Local authorities will be legally obliged to provide people with the options that are set out in the bill when taking forward their care. The b...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
30 Oct 2012
Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 34 seeks to introduce a regulation-making power to enable ministers to establish a scheme to regulate the quality of support that is provided by personal assistants who are employed through direct payments. One of the key strengths of the self-directed support mechan...
The Minister for Public Health (Michael Matheson) SNP Chamber
19 Sep 2012
Patient Care
It is often the case that facts do not feature heavily in Labour Party contributions in its health debates. No one should be in any doubt about the Government’s commitment to our NHS. It is worth keeping it in mind that the NHS belongs to no Government or political party; it b...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
30 Apr 2013
Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This aspect of the national confidential forum stems back to work arising from Tom Shaw’s review of issues to do with abuse in care settings. That highlighted that acknowledgement is a valuable therapeutic tool, and there have been calls for a number of years for a means to be...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
01 Apr 2014
Anticoagulation Therapy (Self-management)
I mentioned that they have an interview after they move into the adult service and then continue with the arrangement that was in place, so I think that there may have been an issue with some of the information on how services are delivered that members have been provided with...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
30 Apr 2014
Portfolio Question Time · Tamiflu
I fully agree with the member that it is in the interests of the pharmaceutical industry to be extremely open and transparent about the evidence that it has at the time that it seeks a licence for any type of vaccination or medication. I would be more than happy to offer my su...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
19 Nov 2014
Portfolio Question Time · Organ Donation
It is worth keeping it in mind that the part of the UK that has the highest level of organ donations per head of population is Scotland. We need to be careful not to think that the need for an increased number of organs can be addressed by an opt-out system. There are countrie...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
19 Nov 2014
Portfolio Question Time · Organ Donation
We have made significant progress not because of legislation but because of the infrastructure changes that we have made, such as basing transplant nurses in particular units. Organs can be received from an individual donor only in particular circumstances—in particular in int...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
25 Nov 2014
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2015-16
It is worth keeping in mind that the court closure programme was brought forward by the Scottish Court Service and reflects how it believes it can best manage its estate. I looked at the evidence that Eric McQueen gave to the committee, which in my view was quite robust on wh...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
25 Nov 2014
Subordinate Legislation
Yes, it will, and that will go to a sheriff. A matter of law is to be determined and the only way for it to be determined is for it to be referred to a sheriff. The ruling was granted on that basis. It is worth keeping it in mind that the regulations do not change anything. T...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
20 May 2014
Teenage Pregnancy Inquiry
We have a commitment to rolling out family nurse partnerships to all the territorial boards. So far, the partnerships are in place in seven of those boards. Further roll-out is planned in another two. The following year, there will be roll-out in the other board areas. As far ...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
27 Jan 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is 1 per cent of the population based on the timescales that we have set out in the bill—10 years for non-sexual crimes and four years for sexual offences. If the committee has a view on whether that threshold should be lower, I am prepared to consider that. I know that the...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
27 Jan 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am more than happy to do that. It is also worth keeping in mind that ending automatic early release will not increase demand tomorrow. Given the turnover of prisoners, it will kick in over a 10 to 11-year timeframe, so there will be time to allow for the planning for and dev...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
27 Jan 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That goes back to Christian Allard’s question about whether we should put in place provisions that would mean that when someone comes to the end of their sentence there is a period of supervision if they have not qualified for parole release. It is worth keeping in mind that ...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
03 Mar 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Of course, but it is worth keeping in mind that the bill deals with a select group of prisoners. There are those who will be released on parole prior to the end of their sentence, and they are entitled to apply for such release after they have completed half of their sentence....
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
03 Mar 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is worth keeping in mind that we are talking about a very small number of prisoners and that it will be several years into the future before any of this will start to have an impact. There would be a danger in starting to put some limits on it now, thinking about what we ma...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
17 Mar 2015
Topical Question Time · British Transport Police
Resourcing will be an important part of our consideration. It is worth keeping in mind that the British Transport Police in Scotland is currently funded through Network Rail and the main train operator, ScotRail. It is, through various means, subsidised in effect by the Scotti...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
17 Mar 2015
Topical Question Time · British Transport Police
It is worth keeping it in mind that a range of organisations opposed the idea that the functions should be devolved in the first place. A number of organisations were not satisfied with the recommendations that were arrived at by the Smith commission, which the member’s party ...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
31 Mar 2015
Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is worth keeping in mind that the named person for someone who is identified as a trafficked child will be someone who is relevant to the child’s needs. We would, were we to introduce such a third tier of child support, have to be very clear what value guardianship would ...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
31 Mar 2015
Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The definition that we have set out for the new offence is one that, as I mentioned, will apply to both children and adults. It is designed in such a way as to cover all forms of potential exploitation. We have also tried to draft the offence in such a way as to ensure that tr...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
31 Mar 2015
Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am conscious of some of the evidence that the committee has received on that. I am sure that the committee will also recognise that there is a level of flexibility for member states in how they define offences in taking forward the provisions that are set out in the EU oblig...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
21 Apr 2015
Bonomy Review
Elaine Murray makes a reasonable point about dock identification. However, removing dock identification from the court process would place a significant burden on our prosecutors and police as part of the process that they would have to put in place prior to a case coming to c...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2015
Portfolio Question Time · Police Scotland and Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Business Cases for Establishment)
The outline business case set out in considerable detail both the financial and non-financial benefits that would come from police reform. It was also used to inform the financial memorandum that accompanied the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill. As the Scottish Governmen...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2015
Portfolio Question Time · Chief Constable of Police Scotland (Meetings)
It is worth keeping in mind the fact that recorded crime in Scotland is at a 40-year low. Rod Campbell makes an important point on the significant drop in the number of people handling offensive weapons. We should not lose sight of the correlation with the incidence of homicid...
Michael Matheson SNP Chamber
22 Sep 2015
Topical Question Time · Regulation of Investigatory Powers
It is extremely important that our press are able to operate freely and have appropriate protections. In my view, no individual should have their communications data improperly accessed. It is important that there are robust mechanisms in place to ensure that that does not hap...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
29 Sep 2015
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Margaret Mitchell’s amendments 234 to 237, 240, 241, 256, 257 and 259 would remove all of chapter 1 of part 1 of the bill as introduced, together with the related amendments on arrest. That would have the effect of retaining the current detention arrangements that are provided...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
17 Nov 2015
Subordinate Legislation
It is worth keeping it in mind that, even where immunities and privileges are provided, under normal diplomatic conditions, individuals are expected to adhere to the laws of the given country and host countries can ask individuals to give up those immunities and privileges for...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
17 Nov 2015
Subordinate Legislation
Hold on. It is worth keeping it in mind that the bank is a non-profit-making organisation. It is owned by the countries that are members of it, which raise capital in their own territory for the purposes of investment in Asia. It is not like a large corporate bank—a profit-mak...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
15 Dec 2015
Police Scotland (Interception of Communications)
We were made aware at the end of February this year by Home Office ministers that they intended to introduce a code of practice in March. I noted in some earlier exchanges that individuals referred to changes in legislation: it is worth keeping it in mind that there has been n...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
15 Dec 2015
Police Scotland (Interception of Communications)
My understanding is that the SPA was provided with a briefing by Police Scotland on the issue at the beginning of July, so it was aware of the initial findings of IOCCO’s review of Police Scotland’s procedures. However, it is worth keeping it in mind that statutory responsibi...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
05 Jan 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2016-17
I understand the comment and the point that you are making. I am mindful of the fact that, even with the pilots, we cannot have the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service undertaking additional responsibilities that result in a negative impact on its core responsibilities. While ens...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
05 Jan 2016
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2016-17
It is worth keeping in mind that although we are discussing the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service’s budget, the additional resource was not purely for it; it was for different parts of the portfolio. Some of it went to support the Scottish Court Service in undertaking...
Michael Matheson SNP Committee
05 Jan 2016
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
No, I do not, although I understand the comments and the evidence that the committee has received on those matters. I believe that the provisions in the bill will provide judges with sufficient flexibility in respect of when they should issue directions to the jury. It is wor...
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Justice Committee 29 September 2015

29 Sep 2015 · S4 · Justice Committee
Item of business
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Although the amendments all relate to keeping a person in custody under chapter 2 of part 1 of the bill, they address four distinct issues. Most of my amendments, and amendments 13 to 17 in the name of John Pentland, deal with the proposal to allow the maximum detention period to be extended from 12 to 24 hours. I will address that issue first before moving on to amendment 12, in the name of John Finnie, which relates to the rank at which decisions on whether to keep a person in custody should be made. I will then speak to amendment 130, which will make a minor adjustment to the test for whether a person can be kept in custody. Finally, I will cover amendments 139 and 141, which relate to the time spent travelling from hospital to the police station. A key purpose of the custody provisions in chapter 2 is to strike an appropriate balance and ensure that no one is held unnecessarily or disproportionately and that the rights of suspects and victims are protected while the police have the flexibility to carry out effective investigations. The bill allows a person to be kept in custody for a maximum of 12 hours. That is a 12-hour reduction from the current detention period, which allows extensions to 24 hours. The system is designed to ensure that suspects are detained for only as long as is absolutely necessary, and the detention limit is not a target but an absolute maximum. Strong safeguards are built into the system. The initial custody decision must be made by a police officer who has not been involved in the investigation, and a mandatory custody review must be carried out by an inspector after six hours. Keeping someone in custody can be authorised only if there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that they have committed an offence and if keeping them in custody is necessary and proportionate, with account being taken of the nature and seriousness of the offence, the need to enable the offence to be investigated and the likelihood of interference with witnesses and evidence. Section 41 also places a general duty on every constable to “take every precaution to ensure that a person is not unreasonably or unnecessarily held” in custody. Conflicting views were expressed at stage 1 on the detention time limits, and the Scottish Government made a commitment to considering an extension of the detention time limit to 24 hours in exceptional circumstances. Having considered the arguments further, I believe that it is necessary to allow the extension from 12 to 24 hours. I am satisfied that the bill contains appropriate safeguards to ensure that the power will be used properly and that such extensions will not become commonplace. It is possible to extend detention periods up to a maximum of 24 hours under the current legislation, but not under the bill as introduced, so the police would have to release suspects in some serious and complex cases if the 12-hour period were to expire before they had obtained sufficient evidence to charge the suspects with an offence. That would not prevent suspects from being arrested and charged later, but releasing them could endanger public safety or interfere with the proper investigation of offences. The current power to extend detention periods to 24 hours is used in only a very small number—less than 0.5 per cent—of cases, which demonstrates that the police make appropriate and proportionate use of the power and that it is used only in exceptional cases. The power to extend is necessary in those cases, many of which involve serious and complex offences. Various factors can contribute to creating exceptional circumstances in which an extension might be required. The factors that could combine to require an extension to 24 hours tend to involve the timing of the start of interviews rather than the length of those interviews, and the purpose of an extension would be to ensure that interviews are conducted in circumstances that are fair to the suspect and the victims and which allow the police to conclude inquiries properly and gather sufficient evidence in order to charge a suspect. Suspects and victims might be too exhausted, traumatised, drunk or under the influence of drugs to be interviewed immediately after a suspect is arrested and brought to a police station. 11:45 Urgent work might be needed to interview victims, to trace witnesses and to conduct other investigations. It might not be in the interest of public safety or the safety of the victim or suspects to release a person who is suspected of a serious and violent offence on investigative liberation while such investigations take place. In some cases, it is considered best practice to examine a crime scene during daylight hours, even if an initial arrest took place at night. That may apply, for example, to the examination of bedclothes at a rape scene. Forensic medical examination may be required before interviews can take place. In areas of rural Scotland, victims and suspects may need to travel to specialist police medical suites or for examination by a police casualty surgeon. If a 12-hour detention limit was applied, the examinations and the travel times involved might reduce the time that remained for conducting interviews. Other people, such as interpreters and appropriate adults, may be required before interviews can commence. It is in the interests of justice and human rights that such people are present at interviews, but it may take time to assess what support is required for a suspect and to arrange for a specialist to attend. Delays are possible if a suspect’s needs are not immediately identified because they were drunk or on drugs. Those factors can reduce the available time for conducting interviews. In complex cases, extending the detention period beyond 12 hours may become necessary to conduct an effective investigation. I have therefore lodged amendments 122, 123, 125 to 129, 131, 134 and 135 to 137 to make provision for extending detention limits from 12 to 24 hours. Amendments 13 to 17, which John Pentland lodged, would make similar provision. I propose to deal with my amendments before moving on to consider his amendments. Amendment 135 is the primary amendment to allow the detention limit to be extended to 24 hours. The power to extend is limited to serious offences, and it will be subject to safeguards to ensure that it is used only when absolutely necessary. The safeguards include a requirement for authorisation at inspector level and provision for the suspect to make representations. The existing safeguards in the bill will also apply, including the statutory test for keeping people in custody, mandatory custody reviews at six hours and the general duty under section 41 not to detain people unreasonably or unnecessarily. The safeguards will ensure that extensions to detention periods can be authorised only in exceptional circumstances. Extensions are tempered by the safeguard of regular review, as recommended by the Carloway report. My other amendments are all intended to ensure that the new powers to authorise extension are appropriately woven into the existing provisions about providing and recording information and conducting custody reviews. That includes the reorganisation of sections and adjustments to terminology. Amendments 122 and 123 deal with recording information. Information about the authorisation process and the rationale for extending the period must be recorded. When initial authorisation is given to keep a person in custody under section 7, amendment 125 will require them to be told that their detention period may be extended. Amendments 126 and 127 amend section 9. Amendment 126 will ensure that a custody review is carried out after the first six hours of an extension. Amendment 127 makes drafting adjustments. Amendment 129 amends section 10 to ensure that the test of necessity and proportionality must be met when deciding whether to keep someone in custody beyond the initial 12-hour period. Amendments 128 and 131 move sections 9 and 10 to after section 12. Amendment 134 amends section 11 to require the police to charge or release someone once any extension to 24 hours has expired. Amendment 136 requires the police to give a person certain information when authorisation has been given to extend the detention period beyond the 12-hour point. Amendment 137 is a technical amendment to allow time that is spent travelling to or from hospital or at hospital to be deducted from the extension period. Amendments 13 to 17 were lodged by John Pentland. I wholly support the principle of allowing the detention period to be extended from 12 to 24 hours in exceptional circumstances, so I welcome the intention behind his amendments. However, I do not believe that they would offer the same protection to suspects as the amendments that I just outlined would. I therefore ask Elaine Murray not to move amendments 13 to 17. John Pentland’s amendment 15 would permit an extension up to 24 hours when both the current custody test under section 10 and the additional test of exceptional circumstances were met. Amendments 12 to 14, 16 and 17 are consequential on amendment 15. My amendments will offer suspects greater protection than amendment 15 would. In particular, my amendments will ensure that an extension can be granted only in relation to serious offences. They will ensure that suspects can make representations about a proposed extension. They will require a custody review by an inspector after six hours and will set out a much more detailed requirement for recording and providing information. I do not believe that the exceptional circumstances test is necessary. I am satisfied that the existing power to extend the detention period is used only in exceptional circumstances and that the safeguards that are set out in the bill will continue to ensure that that is the case. Setting out an exceptional circumstances test would further complicate the statutory test and create a risk of preventing extensions in cases in which they were genuinely needed. Amendment 12, in John Finnie’s name, would provide that, when a person was arrested without a warrant and was not charged with an offence, authorisation to keep them in custody could be given only by an officer of the rank of sergeant or above. In many of the more rural custody stations, the duty custody officer may be a constable. There has to be a justifiable reason for continued detention, which has to be authorised by an officer who is not connected with the case. That provides an independent overview of the initial arrest and the continued detention. Custody officers are trained in custody procedures and prisoner welfare. The authorisation to keep a person in custody also starts the 12-hour period for someone who is not officially accused. A duty custody officer of the rank of constable is perfectly able to carry out that function and afford people their rights. Amendment 12 proposes an unnecessary restriction on current practice that would lead to an increase in the requirement for sergeants across Scotland, even if authorisation were given remotely. The amendment would also lead to delays in the start of the 12-hour period as a result of waiting for an officer of a suitable rank to become available. For that reason, I cannot support the amendment and I ask John Finnie not to move it. Amendment 130 makes a small clarification to the key test in section 10 for whether a person can be kept in custody. The test applies to the initial decision to keep someone in custody following their arrest. It also applies when the inspectors conduct custody reviews after someone has been in custody for six hours. The police officer who decides to keep someone in custody must be satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that they have committed an offence and that keeping them in custody is necessary and proportionate for the purposes of bringing them before a court or otherwise dealing with them in accordance with the law. Several factors may be taken into account in deciding what is necessary and proportionate. One of those is whether the person’s presence is reasonably required to enable the offence to be investigated. Amendment 130 will clarify that, when deciding whether to keep someone in custody, the police may consider whether the person’s presence is required to enable the offence to be investigated fully. That has always been the intended effect of section 10. The amendment makes it absolutely clear that police have the ability to undertake a full investigation of an offence while a suspect is held in custody, subject to continued custody being necessary and proportionate for the purposes of bringing the suspect before a court or otherwise dealing with them in accordance with the law. It is also important to note that section 41 will still apply, to ensure that police “must take every precaution to ensure that a person is not unreasonably or unnecessarily held” in custody. Amendment 130 will protect the balance between the public interest in ensuring a thorough and effective investigation and the rights of suspects, as recommended by Lord Carloway and reflected throughout part 1. I turn to amendments 139 and 141. The bill already provides that the time that is taken to escort a person to a hospital for medical treatment and any time that is spent in hospital are not to be deducted from the 12-hour detention period, but it does not take account of the time that the return journey takes. In more remote areas of the country, a return journey from hospital could take a considerable time, so amendment 139 provides that the time that is taken to transport an individual back from hospital will not be deducted from the 12-hour detention period. That will ensure that there is still sufficient time to interview suspects effectively once they arrive at the police station. Amendment 141 will protect suspects by ensuring that, should a suspect be interviewed while travelling from hospital to a police station, the time that is spent interviewing them will count towards the 12-hour limit. I move amendment 122.

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I thank the cabinet secretary for a very comprehensive trip round all the amendments. I think that members received some explanatory notes in advance, which ...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I will speak to most of the amendments in the group, if you will bear with me, convener. For 18 months, I was repeatedly told by the Scottish Government tha...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Stop and search did not use to be a problem. There were all the statutes that could be invoked on stop and search and there was a lot of statutory guidance a...
The Convener SNP
It is still early and already you are falling apart.
John Finnie Ind
I know. Forgive me, convener. I will not repeat much of what my colleague Alison McInnes has said, but I am certainly grateful for the movement that has bee...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
Labour members also welcome the progress that has been made on stop and search and the move to putting it on to a statutory basis. However, I invite the cabi...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I am happy to support the cabinet secretary’s amendment on stop and search, which reflects the recommendation of the review committee chaired by John Scott. ...
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I have heard the point that has been made about amendment 229A being prescriptive but, for me, the important point is that Parliament will have the opportuni...
Michael Matheson SNP
I am grateful for the comments that various committee members have made. The intention behind amendment 226 is not to pre-empt anything. Instead, it creates...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 226 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Alison McInnes LD
No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Allard, Christian (North East Scotland) (SNP) Campbell, Roderick (North East Fife) (SNP) Finnie, John (Highlands and Island...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 8, Against 1, Abstentions 0. Amendment 226 agreed to. Amendments 227 and 228 moved—Michael Matheson—and agreed to. Amen...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 229A be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) McDougall, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab) McInnes, Alison (North East Scotlan...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 5, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Amendment 229A agreed to. Amendment 229, as amended, agreed to. Amendment 230 moved—Michae...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 52 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) McDougall, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Lab) McInnes, Alison (North East Scotlan...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 5, Against 4, Abstentions 0. Amendment 52 agreed to. Section 1—Power of a constable
The Convener SNP
Amendment 111, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 112 and 37.
Michael Matheson SNP
I will deal first with amendments 111 and 112, both of which are relatively minor, before turning to amendment 37 and the proposed definition of arrest. Ame...
The Convener SNP
So far so good.
Michael Matheson SNP
Part 1 is, in a sense, an extended definition of arrest. It sets out who can exercise the power of arrest, the grounds for doing so, the rights of the person...
The Convener SNP
I call Elaine Murray to speak to amendment 37, in the name of John Pentland.
Elaine Murray Lab
I just want to say a few words regarding amendment 37, in the name of my colleague John Pentland. I should point out that, despite the hilarity over the word...
The Convener SNP
I think that that is deuce.
Elaine Murray Lab
It was drafted by people who know what they are doing. However, as the cabinet secretary implied in his remarks, the reason why John Pentland lodged the ame...