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Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
19 Dec 2013
Draft Budget 2014-15
It is with pleasure that I open this debate on the Finance Committee’s consideration of, and report on, the Scottish Government’s draft budget for 2014-15. I thank all those who assisted in our consideration of the draft budget, including those who submitted written evidence a...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
29 Jan 2025
Holocaust Memorial Day 2025
I congratulate Jackson Carlaw on securing this timely debate, which recognises that this year marks the 80th anniversary of Soviet troops liberating Auschwitz. “It happened, therefore it can happen again.” Those sobering words of Holocaust survivor Primo Levi remind us of th...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
15 Nov 2012
Freedom of Information (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The bill amends five provisions in the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. In my speech, I will focus on the royal exemption and the extension of FOl coverage.The committee’s approach is set out in our report. I thank everyone who worked with us during our evidence gat...
Kenneth Gibson SNP Chamber
20 Dec 2012
Draft Budget 2013-14
I do not think that that is relevant, given that I am speaking about the report that the committee compiled, which, as the member knows, was published before the autumn statement. What I think about that is not of any relevance. However, I will go on to mention some more figur...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
25 Apr 2013
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to highlight key areas that the Finance Committee considered following its stage 1 evidence taking.The Scotland Act 2012 devolves a range of taxation and borrowing measures: powers to borrow for capital projects; powers to set a Scottish rate of income tax to repl...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
17 Jun 2014
Budget Process (Written Agreement)
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Finance Committee in inviting Parliament to note the revised written agreement, between the committee and the Scottish Government, on the budget process. The revisions that have been made relate to the introduction of the financial power...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
04 Feb 2015
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2015 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I am pleased to say that the meeting is being translated for users of British Sign Language, and I welcome our BSL interpreters, Shaurna Dickson and Paul Belmonte. Before we...
Mr Gibson: SNP Chamber
01 Mar 2000
Local Government Finance
We certainly believe in local flexibility, which the minister clearly does not. Next year, the Executive will bring about more job losses and more cuts. Commenting on next year's settlement, COSLA's president, Norman Murray, said that "while there is funding for the prioritise...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
22 Jun 2011
Finance (No 3) Bill
Good morning. It has gone time, so I welcome everyone to the second meeting of the Finance Committee in the fourth session of the Scottish Parliament. I remind all members to turn off their mobile phones, BlackBerrys and pagers.Agenda item 1 is to take evidence on the legislat...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
25 Apr 2012
Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Good morning and welcome to the 12th meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind all present to switch off mobile phones, pagers, BlackBerrys and so on.The first and, surprisingly, only item on our agenda is the first of our evidence sessions on the financial memorandum...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
30 Jan 2013
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2013 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind all those present to turn off mobile phones, BlackBerrys, tablets and so on.Agenda item 1 is consideration of the Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill at stage 2. Members h...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
21 May 2014
Scotland’s Public Finances Post-2014
Good morning everyone and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2014 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind everyone present to turn off mobile phones and other electronic devices, please. Before we begin item 1, I want to respond to reports in the media last week ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 May 2012
Fiscal Sustainability
I am pleased to open this debate on fiscal sustainability on behalf of the Finance Committee. I refer members to our summary of the written evidence and the paper by our adviser, Professor David Bell, and record our thanks for the work that the David Hume Institute has done in...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
08 Jan 2013
Employability
On behalf of the Finance Committee, I am pleased to open this debate on improving employability. This is the second of three consecutive debates that I will open—these things come along like buses.I thank fellow committee members, past and present, for their contributions thro...
The Convener SNP Committee
04 Mar 2015
Subordinate Legislation
As members have no questions, we move to agenda item 6, which is consideration of motions S4M-12464, S4M-12465, S4M-12466, S4M-12467, S4M-12468 and S4M-12469. Motions moved, That the Finance Committee recommends that the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 (Disclosure of Information ...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
02 May 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
I welcome everyone to the Finance Committee’s 13th meeting in 2012. I remind everyone present to please switch off BlackBerrys, pagers and mobile phones.Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to consider in private a draft report on the financial memorandum to the Local Government...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
05 Sep 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning, everyone, and apologies for the brief delay. Welcome to the 21st meeting in 2012 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I welcome everyone back from the summer recess, and I also welcome to the public gallery Jane Hutt AM, who is the Minister for Finance...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
05 Nov 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
Good morning and welcome to the first part of the 28th meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee of the Scottish Parliament in its fourth session. Before we proceed, I remind everyone to switch off any mobile phones, BlackBerrys and pagers.In opening this formal part of the mee...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
20 Nov 2013
Landfill Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning and welcome to the 29th meeting of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee in 2013. I remind everyone present to turn off any electronic devices such as mobile phones.Our first item of business is stage 2 of the Landfill Tax (Scotland) Bill. We are joined by t...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
07 May 2014
Scotland Act 2012
Good morning and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2014 of the Finance Committee of the Scottish Parliament. I remind everyone present to turn off any electronic devices that they may have on their persons, please. Our first item of business is evidence from the Cabinet Secretar...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
01 Oct 2014
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2015-16
Good morning and welcome to the 24th meeting of the Finance Committee in 2014. I remind everyone to turn off any mobile phones, tablets or other electronic devices. We have received no apologies, although Gavin Brown is not yet here. I hope that he will turn up soon. Agenda i...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
26 Nov 2014
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2015-16
Good morning, and welcome to the 30th meeting of the Finance Committee in 2014. I remind everyone to turn off any mobile phones or electronic tablets. Before we move to agenda item 1, I inform everyone that Jamie Hepburn has resigned from the committee, following his appointm...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
20 May 2015
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2015 of the Finance Committee of the Scottish Parliament. I remind everyone present to turn off mobile phones, tablets and other electronic devices. Our first item of business today is to take evidence from the Cabinet Secretar...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
11 Nov 2015
Private Housing (Tenancies) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum
Good morning and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2015 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind everyone present to turn off mobile phones, tablets or other electronic devices. Members may be aware that there will be a two-minute silence at 11 am for remembrance ...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
13 Jan 2016
United Kingdom Spending Review
Welcome to the second meeting in 2016 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind everyone present to turn off any mobile phones or other electronic devices. As members will be aware, Richard Baker resigned as an MSP on Monday. I take this opportunity to thank h...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
21 Dec 2021
Budget Scrutiny 2022-23
Good morning, and welcome to the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s 15th meeting in 2021. I thank Daniel Johnson for chairing the pre-meeting briefing. We are meeting remotely today, and we have a single item on our agenda, which involves taking evidence from two p...
The Convener SNP Committee
21 Dec 2021
Budget Scrutiny 2022-23
We have been joined by Kate Forbes MSP, Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy, for our second evidence-taking session on the Scottish budget 2022-23. Ms Forbes is joined by Scottish Government officials Lucy O’Carroll, who is the director of tax and fiscal sustainabili...
Kenneth Gibson SNP Chamber
05 Mar 2013
“Demographic change and an ageing population”
That is the nub of what our report concludes, and we will go into that in greater detail as I progress.Many of the issues that we considered overlap with work around early intervention and preventative spend, which has particular relevance when forecasting future demand for se...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
29 Oct 2013
Landfill Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to debate the Landfill Tax (Scotland) Bill and to highlight some key areas that the Finance Committee considered during its stage 1 scrutiny of the bill.The Scotland Act 2012 devolved a range of taxation and borrowing measures—the ability to borrow money for capit...
The Convener SNP Committee
08 Oct 2014
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2015-16
Agenda item 3 is a round-table evidence-taking session with representatives of community planning partnerships in Glasgow, Moray and North Ayrshire. I welcome to the meeting Lynn Brown, deputy chief executive and executive director of finance, and Jim Gray, head of democratic ...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
01 Mar 2022
Resource Spending Review Framework
Good morning and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The only item on the agenda is two evidence-taking sessions for our inquiry into the Government’s resource spending review framework. The evidence that we gather will inf...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 Sep 2023
Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland Bill: Stage 3
I am pleased to contribute to the debate on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. As Jackson Carlaw pointed out, should the Parliament pass the bill, the patient safety commissioner will join seven other commissioners that the Parliament has established si...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
10 Sep 2024
Committee Announcement (Finance and Public Administration Committee)
I am grateful for the opportunity to make this announcement on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee on a matter that is relevant to us all in the chamber, and regards scrutiny of legislation. As members will be aware, the committee is responsible for scrut...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP Chamber
30 Jan 2025
Scottish Budget 2025-26
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. I thank my parliamentary colleagues, our excellent clerking team and all of the witnesses who gave evidence to the committee to aid our deliberations. Today’s debate provides a welco...
The Convener SNP Committee
17 Feb 2026
Legacy Issues (Public Administration)
It is quite interesting that you say that you feel that the Finance and Public Administration Committee remit that we have now should more or less continue, because the Finance Committee that I chaired from 2011 to 2016 was just a finance committee. It then evolved into the Fi...
Mr Kenneth Gibson (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP Chamber
06 Dec 2001
Local Government Settlement 2002-03 and 2003-04
I am taking the place of my colleague Tricia Marwick, who is unwell and unable to be with us.I welcome the minister's statement as the first of what I hope will be many statements in the coming months. Ministerial statements are becoming as rare as snow on Christmas day. I rem...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
26 Oct 2011
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the seventh meeting of the Finance Committee in the fourth session of Parliament. I remind all members and everyone else in the room to turn off mobile phones and pagers.Item 1 is to decide whether to take in private both item 4 and consideration of...
The Convener SNP Committee
07 Nov 2011
Subordinate Legislation
Item 3 is to consider the Scottish statutory instrument that provides for the 2011-12 autumn budget revision. The draft amendment order is subject to the affirmative procedure, which means that the Parliament must approve it before it can be made and come into force. We have a...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
02 Nov 2011
Decision on Taking Business in Private
I welcome everyone to the eighth meeting of the Finance Committee in this session. I remind members to turn off mobile phones, pagers and so on.Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Are members content to take item 4 in private?Members indicated agreement.
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
21 Dec 2011
Interests
Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting of the Finance Committee in this session of Parliament. I remind members and all those in attendance to turn off mobile phones, pagers and BlackBerrys if they have not done so.Agenda item 1 is a declaration of interests by Mark McD...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
18 Jan 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the second meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind everyone present to turn off mobile phones, pagers and BlackBerries if they have not already done so.Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Are members conte...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
23 Nov 2011
Interests
Good morning and welcome to the 11th meeting of the Finance Committee in the current parliamentary session. I remind everyone to turn off their mobile phones, pagers, BlackBerrys and so on.We have received apologies from Paul Wheelhouse. I welcome Gavin Brown, as a new member ...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Interests
Good morning everyone, and welcome to the first meeting in 2012 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind everyone to turn off their mobile phones, BlackBerrys and pagers, please.I welcome Michael McMahon MSP and Elaine Murray MSP as new members of the committee...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
01 Feb 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind everyone present to turn off mobile phones, BlackBerrys and pagers.Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take item 4 in private. Are members content to do so?Members indicated agreement.
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning. Welcome to the third meeting in 2012 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind everyone present to switch off mobile phones, BlackBerrys and pagers.Agenda item 1 is to ask whether members are content to take in private item 4.Members indicated agre...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
08 Feb 2012
Early Years Intervention (Birmingham City Council)
Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee of the Scottish Parliament. I remind everyone who is present to turn off any mobile phones, BlackBerrys, pagers and so on.The first and only item on our agenda is to take evidence on early years int...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
29 Feb 2012
United Kingdom Budget
It has gone time, so good morning and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee of the Scottish Parliament. I remind everyone to turn off mobile phones, pagers and BlackBerrys. We have received apologies from Michael McMahon, who is unwell and unable to m...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
23 May 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 16th meeting in 2012 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind all those present to please turn off pagers, mobile phones and BlackBerrys.Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do committee me...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
22 Feb 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the Finance Committee’s sixth meeting in 2012. I remind everyone to turn off any mobile phones, pagers or BlackBerrys.Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take in private consideration of a draft report on the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Bill...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
14 Mar 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind all those present to turn off any mobile phones, pagers and BlackBerrys. Our colleague Michael McMahon has tendered his apologies this morning following the sad passing of his mother on M...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
18 Apr 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind members to turn off any mobile phones, pagers and so on. Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take item 4 in private. Are members content to take that item in private?Members indicated agr...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
07 Mar 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning. Welcome to the eighth meeting in 2012 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind all those present to switch off phones, pagers, BlackBerrys and so on.Agenda item 1 is to consider whether to take item 5 in private. Are members content with that?Memb...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
30 May 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind all members and everyone present to turn off any mobile phones, pagers or BlackBerrys.Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take item 4 in private. Are we agreed?Members indicated agre...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
12 Sep 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the 22nd meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind all those who are present please to turn off any mobile phones, pagers and BlackBerrys. We have received apologies from Gavin Brown.I welcome Dave Thompson, who is substituting for Paul Whe...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
26 Sep 2012
Employability
Good morning and welcome to the 24th meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee of the Scottish Parliament. I remind those present to turn off mobile phones, tablets, BlackBerrys and so on. The first item of business is to take evidence by videoconference from representatives of...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
24 Oct 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning everyone, and welcome to the 26th meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee of the Scottish Parliament. I remind everyone to turn off BlackBerrys, mobile phones, pagers and so on.We have received apologies from Jean Urquhart.Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to ta...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
19 Sep 2012
Interests
Good morning and welcome to the Finance Committee’s 23rd meeting in 2012. I remind everyone present to please turn off mobile phones, tablets and other electronic devices, including BlackBerrys.I welcome to the committee our two new members, Jean Urquhart and Bruce Crawford, w...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
31 Oct 2012
Interests
Good morning and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2012 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind everyone present to turn off any mobile phones or BlackBerrys. I welcome to the meeting and to the committee our new member, Jamie Hepburn, who replaces Bruce Crawford...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
14 Nov 2012
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2013-14
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2012 of the Finance Committee. I remind all members to turn off any mobile phones, pagers and BlackBerrys.We have one agenda item, which is to take evidence from the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body as part of our...
The Convener (Kenneth Gibson) SNP Committee
12 Dec 2012
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Welcome to the 33rd meeting in 2012 of the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee. I remind everyone to turn off mobile phones, tablets, BlackBerrys and so on, and I apologise for starting the formal session six or seven minutes late, which is because of our pre-meeting brief...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 19 December 2013

19 Dec 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Draft Budget 2014-15

It is with pleasure that I open this debate on the Finance Committee’s consideration of, and report on, the Scottish Government’s draft budget for 2014-15. I thank all those who assisted in our consideration of the draft budget, including those who submitted written evidence and witnesses who gave oral evidence. I also thank the Finance Committee clerks; our budget adviser, Angela Scott; and the Scottish Parliament information centre for its very helpful briefings.

The budget process works to a tight and demanding schedule, and this year was no exception. We agreed before the summer recess that our main focus would be on the national performance framework and the Scotland performs website. However, not wishing to lose sight of topics on which we had concentrated in previous years, we also continued our on-going scrutiny of the Government’s progress in moving towards a preventative spend agenda, particularly with regard to the ways in which public bodies might work more closely with one another. In addition to those significant and substantive themes, the committee continued its on-going consideration of where the Government’s spending decisions are aligned with its stated purpose of increasing sustainable economic growth.

To support our scrutiny of the draft budget, we issued a call for evidence prior to summer recess, in response to which we received 34 written submissions. We also took oral evidence through the autumn from witnesses including economists, academics and representatives of the public, private and third sectors.

In early November we held an external meeting in Arbroath, which gave us the invaluable opportunity to hold workshops with local businesses, voluntary organisations and public bodies, from whom we heard at first hand about issues that mattered most to them. We then took evidence from the cabinet secretary and put questions to him based on the evidence that we had heard.

In addition to our own scrutiny, each of the subject committees, along with the Equal Opportunities Committee and the European and External Relations Committee, conducted its own inquiry into the draft budget. Those inquiries focused on the impact of the budget on the areas in the committee remit. Each committee then submitted a report to us highlighting its findings and priorities.

I turn to the national performance framework, which is intended to support an outcomes-based approach to performance. It is underpinned by five objectives and consists of 16 national outcomes that describe what the Scottish Government wants to achieve over a 10-year period. There are 50 national indicators that track progress towards the achievement of those outcomes, which ultimately contribute towards the delivery of the Government’s stated purpose. All those measures are tracked and reported on the Scotland performs website, which is intended to show at a glance whether performance is improving, worsening or remaining steady.

The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth has described Scotland performs as

“the primary source of information ... against the outcomes set out in the National Performance Framework.”

He also stated at committee that it

“is not a report card on the Government; it is an assessment of Scotland’s performance. Of course the Government contributes to that, but so do many other players.”—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 4 November 2013; c 3235.]

We heard from a number of witnesses that the NPF is internationally recognised as an exemplar of an outcomes-based approach to the measurement of Government performance. Nevertheless, there was broad consensus that, although the framework itself is commendable, it is not widely known outside policy-making circles.

In recognition of that point, we invited the Government in our report to detail the exact purpose of the NPF, its intended audience and how it works in practice. We also recommended that the information should be published on the Scotland performs website. Similarly, we sought clarification from the Government in relation to how it intends to further embed Scotland performs in policy-making circles across the Scottish public sector.

Another point that arose during our inquiry is the lack of a clear link between spending and outcomes. The Joseph Rowntree Foundation, for example, suggested that there is a need

“for much clearer links between the priority setting and resource allocation decisions that are made by Government and its partners in contributing to the targets and outcomes.”—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 2 October 2013; c 3080.]

Our budget adviser noted that there is

“no link between the Government’s spending plans, as set out in spending reviews and draft budgets, and the intended impact spending will have on future performance.”

She also pointed out that some jurisdictions, including the state of Virginia, have moved towards a system of linking expenditure to performance.

Expanding on that theme, we asked the Government whether it has any plans to move to a more substantive approach to linking performance and resource.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, we heard a number of different views regarding the national indicators, with organisations such as Oxfam and the Scottish Trades Union Congress calling for the inclusion of an indicator measuring median household disposable income, which they stated would be a

“much better indicator of national collective prosperity than GDP.”—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 9 October 2013; c 3120.]

The committee was persuaded by that suggestion and has recommended that the Government incorporate such an indicator into the NPF. In keeping with the importance placed on the NPF both by the committee and the witnesses from whom we took evidence, we welcome the Government’s commitment to consulting on the option of putting it on a statutory footing.

Turning to another subject of our budget scrutiny focus, I will address the topic of preventative spending. It has been a key area of interest for the committee and its predecessor in the previous session. We also considered the importance of the preventative spend agenda in the context of demographic change and an ageing population, which is an increasingly important issue on which we conducted an inquiry in 2012.

We committed to monitoring the progress made with regard to the Government’s various change funds, including those related to the care of older people, the early years of childhood, and programmes aimed at reducing rates of reoffending. For that reason, we requested that the Government provide an overall assessment of the progress being made towards implementing a preventative spend approach. In doing so, we recognise the need for robust monitoring and evaluation frameworks, and we would welcome an update on the progress made towards putting them in place.

The Government committed to investing up to £500 million in change funds in its budget for 2012-13, and the committee welcomed that investment. It is clear that local authorities have responsibility for much of the service delivery that has the greatest impact on people’s daily lives. Local authorities must also contribute towards those funds, but the committee is concerned that not all local authorities appear to be doing so. For that reason, we ask the Government to provide us with details of how much new money has been contributed to change funds by local authorities.

We heard from third sector bodies that evidence of the required shift in spending priorities is lacking, with the focus continuing to be on treating the symptoms of problems rather than on preventing them from arising in the first place. NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde summed up the difficulties faced by councils and health boards in seeking to

“invest in new programmes of prevention and intervention while managing their budgets in a way that deals effectively with the problems that confront them at present.”

It argued that that

“balancing act is probably the biggest challenge that health boards and local authorities in the west of Scotland are facing.”—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 9 October 2013; c 3143.]

Our report highlighted the committee’s concerns relating to the apparent lack of evidence of the necessary disinvestment taking place to support the shift towards a preventative spend agenda. Without the disinvestment in existing services, it is difficult to see where the additional resources required for investment in preventative services will come from.

We recognise that difficult decisions require to be taken and appreciate that that is not easy. Glasgow City Council said to the committee that disinvestment is

“extremely difficult to do at any time ... but it is particularly difficult to do at the moment”.—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 9 October 2013; c 3153.]

We ask whether the Government is content with the progress that public bodies are making in that regard and that it provide examples of resources being unlocked for preventative measures through disinvestment in existing services.

There is some evidence that the necessary shift in spending is taking place in certain areas. One that stood out as a role model was the Highlands, where a partnership agreement between Highland Council and NHS Highland was signed in 2012. The agreement is intended

“to achieve better outcomes for people through directing resources more effectively, and through new and integrated service delivery models.”

The committee welcomes that approach.

We recognise that it is not possible simply to switch off existing services in order to reallocate funding, and we heard of the importance of bridging funds that allow the temporary double running of services until demand for existing services is reduced. We also recognise that there is a range of challenges and barriers that can prevent the necessary cultural and structural changes from taking place, and we would welcome the Government’s views on how best to address them.

As I mentioned in my introductory remarks, another key focus of our scrutiny of the draft budget was the continuation of last year’s consideration of the Government’s progress towards realising its purpose of increasing sustainable economic growth. A key element of the Government’s strategy for realising that goal is capital investment through which it intends to accelerate the country’s economic recovery. Much of that investment is intended to be allocated via the non-profit-distributing model.

The draft budget states:

“Progress continues to be made on delivering the full Non-Profit Distributing ... pipeline of investments”,

with an estimated £809 million-worth of projects due to start construction in 2014-15. However, the cabinet secretary noted in his ministerial statement on the draft budget:

“In the short term, NPD investment is lower than was originally forecast.”—[Official Report, 9 October 2013; c 23471.]

He attributed that to two reasons: first, some NPD projects are being concluded at lower than expected costs; and, secondly, some are taking longer than expected to be prepared and planned.

We took evidence from the Scottish Futures Trust, which stated that,

“overall, longer preparation time, rather than confirmed cost savings, is the greater part of what has changed the profile.”—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 30 October 2013; c 3179.]

It also stated that “very significant” progress has been made, yet it explained that some projects

“have taken longer than anticipated to bring through early project development and hence the overall build up in construction activity will be slower than that anticipated in the earlier projections which were based on high level information.”

The SFT is ambitious in setting targets for the delivery of NPD-funded projects, and the committee agrees that it should be. As the cabinet secretary stated,

“it is better to set an ambitious target and not reach it than it is to set an underambitious target purely and simply for the device of passing it.”—[Official Report, Finance Committee, 4 November 2013; c 3241.]

Despite that aim, it would appear that a pattern of consistent overestimation of the delivery of NPD projects has emerged in recent years, so we recommend that the process for formulating those estimates be reviewed.

The committee also considered the Government’s plans to switch more than £700 million from resource to capital between 2012-13 and 2014-15. However, the estimated resource to capital switch in the draft budget is £165 million, which is significantly lower than the estimated £270 million that is set out in the 2011 spending review. When we questioned the cabinet secretary on the reasons for that, he explained that he considered it the best way to respond to budgetary changes resulting from Barnett consequentials. He emphasised the fact that it has not affected the planned delivery of any specific projects.

Although the committee recognises the need for the cabinet secretary to make budgetary changes in response to changing circumstances during the year, we highlight the need for greater clarity in presenting past proposals for resource to capital switches. We therefore recommend that all future budget revisions provide the latest available figures in relation to the transfer of funding from resource to capital.

Another important theme to which the committee returned during its budget scrutiny is improving employability, particularly with regard to young people not in employment, education or training. That was one of the main topics of discussion during our workshop sessions in Arbroath, where we heard of the problems that are faced by some local employers in accessing the modern apprenticeship scheme. The Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee and the Equal Opportunities Committee also expressed concerns relating to access to modern apprenticeships, and we have invited the Government to respond to those concerns.

The committee also considered a wide range of other issues during its scrutiny of the draft budget, ranging from the impact of welfare reform and fuel poverty to the Government’s progress towards achieving its climate change targets. I am sure that some of those themes will be touched on later in the debate. Although I could discuss those topics in detail, I have covered a number of issues in the time available and I am conscious that time for the debate is limited.

I said at the beginning of my speech that the committee’s budget scrutiny focused on the national performance framework but that we also sought to monitor progress in relation to preventative spending and increasing sustainable economic growth.

The committee greatly welcomes the NPF and applauds the Government for developing an internationally recognised exemplar of an outcomes-based approach to performance measurement. However, it is clear that the NPF is not widely known, which would appear to be at least partly due to a lack of clarity with regard to its purpose and intended audience.

On preventative spending, the committee has concluded that there is some evidence of progress despite a challenging fiscal environment. Nevertheless, there is less evidence of the necessary disinvestment and the system and cultural changes that are essential for the shift towards a preventative approach to be fully realised. The committee would like to see a much better and clearer alignment between the NPF, draft budgets and the emphasis on a preventative approach. On those key findings, and all other aspects of our report, we look forward to the Scottish Government’s response.

I move,

That the Parliament notes the Finance Committee’s 10th Report, 2013 (Session 4): Draft Budget 2014-15 (SP Paper 431) and its recommendations to the Scottish Government.

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