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Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
06 Dec 2018
Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The aim of the bill is to be an enabler of “high quality care and improved outcomes for service users” of the health and care services by helping to ensure appropriate staffing for their care. It is important to state that again, because although we started off with what I t...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
16 Jun 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill
The debate has provided a final opportunity to discuss what I think is an important piece of legislation, and I am grateful to all the members who have contributed. Can I be the first person to say that I am, in fact, older than Pam Duncan-Glancy? As I said in my opening rema...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
16 Mar 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Daniel Johnson is absolutely right, and I have made that point a number of times, including to the committee. Why is it higher in Scotland? What is going on that gives us those much higher figures? The bill seeks to address that. I will come on to explaining that more fully. ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Committee
01 Feb 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you very much, convener. I echo your remarks about Barry, the firefighter who has sadly died. The Cabinet recorded its condolences to the family and I think that the First Minister has written to the family. The Minister for Community Safety, who has responsibility for t...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
09 Mar 2022
Economic Crime (Transparency and Enforcement) Bill
First, I reiterate this Government’s, Scotland’s and, I assume, this Parliament’s unqualified support for Ukrainian sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, and our unequivocal support for the package of international economic sanctions against the Russian invasion...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Committee
07 Dec 2022
Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill
Thank you, convener. The Scottish Government has recommended that Parliament withhold consent to the provisions in the United Kingdom Government’s Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill. Our reasons for doing so focus on our concerns about the bill’s impac...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
31 Mar 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am delighted to open the stage 1 debate on the general principles of the Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the convener and members of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee for their scrutiny of the bill and their stage 1 report. I am grate...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
06 Feb 2024
Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have heard some interesting and informed contributions from Murdo Fraser, who is legally qualified, from Fergus Ewing, who is also legally qualified and has been a practitioner in the area in the past, and from Colin Beattie, with his financial expertise. However, I will co...
The Minister for Transport and Infrastructure (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
15 Dec 2010
Forth Crossing Bill
It is important to reflect, at stage 3, on why we introduced the Forth Crossing Bill. The problems with the Forth road bridge are well known. Should the crossing be restricted or not available, there will be dire economic and social consequences. That cannot be allowed to happ...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
10 May 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Post-bill, I would be more than happy to meet Richard Leonard and any other members who are interested in discussing how we can better prosecute the case for compensation from the UK Government. In having that discussion, I hope that it will be possible for us to reach a conse...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
23 May 2013
Forth Road Bridge Bill: Stage 3
I thank the Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee’s convener, Maureen Watt, and the committee for their consideration of the bill, and I thank the Subordinate Legislation Committee and the Finance Committee for their earlier consideration of it.The Forth Road Bridge ...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
31 Mar 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the members who contributed to the debate, which has been interesting, often constructive and sometimes challenging, as we would expect, given the subject matter. I am encouraged by the lead committee’s endorsement of the bill’s general principles, which has been refl...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
16 Jun 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill
The simple fact is that I have never asked for everyone to vote en bloc in every instance. I have tried to make a number of compromises in order that we can get maximum consensus, but that is obviously not going to happen. I thank Joe FitzPatrick and the Equalities, Human Rig...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
28 Sep 2023
Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I reassure Stephen Kerr that I think that it is very unlikely that he will make himself any less popular than he currently is. Laughter. I agree with the central point that Mr Kerr made, or at least one of his points, which was that, when we undertake this kind of reform, we ...
Keith Brown (Ochil) (SNP): SNP Chamber
22 Jan 2009
Scottish Parliamentary Pensions Bill: Stage 3
Like most members in the chamber, I should declare an interest, both as a current member of the scheme—and potential member of the new scheme—and as a taxpayer. I, too, highlight the point that Alasdair Morgan made about this necessary change being made at nil cost to the publ...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
16 Jun 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will just repeat the point: the Scott inquiry, which had broad support within this Parliament, did not recommend a compensation scheme as part of the bill. That was partly because the inquiry team wanted this to be an act of reconciliation in communities that were riven apar...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
28 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill
I seem to have enlivened the Labour group, which is good to see. I am disappointed that some members remain of the view that the current bill process should not be used to enact key public health and education continuity powers now, ahead of the temporary legislation expiring...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
23 Apr 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Sometimes, when we have debates like this, we should remind ourselves why we are debating such changes in the first place. We had a powerful reminder of that from Karen Adam a short time ago. It is also worth mentioning again—particularly for the victims of sexual offences—th...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
19 Aug 2014
Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am pleased to support Dennis Robertson and to commend him for the work that he has undertaken in developing the bill. I thank the Local Government and Regeneration Committee, the Finance Committee and the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee for considering the bill a...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
16 Jun 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Like Richard Leonard, I welcome those in the public gallery who are former miners and their representatives. As Alex Rowley has just said, this could be an extremely important and historic day for Scotland if we can pass the bill. I hope that we are able to pass it with one vo...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
20 May 2014
Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have heard other individuals express that concern, which is often the result of welfare reform changes that require people, as Liam McArthur put it, to go through hoops. That is why the form can be somewhat complex. From time to time, we have looked at whether the form cou...
The Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Jobs and Fair Work (Keith Brown) SNP Committee
16 Jan 2018
Financial Guidance and Claims Bill
Thank you for the opportunity to speak in support of the LCM, convener. The Financial Guidance and Claims Bill makes provision for establishing a new financial guidance body, including provisions on cold calling and a debt respite scheme; the funding of debt advice in Scotland...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
28 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill
As the cabinet secretary responsible for part 5 and the schedule to the bill—the temporary justice measures—and a number of permanent justice system reform measures in part 3 of the bill, I am pleased to close the final debate for the Scottish Government. Before I turn to poin...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
16 Mar 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to open this debate on the general principles of the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill. I thank the Criminal Justice Committee for its scrutiny of the bill and all those who gave evidence to it. The committee’s report raised a number of important point...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
17 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill
Like others have done, I will mention the point made by Liz Smith about the excellent nature of the debate that we have had. However, she mentioned something else, which has not been repeated but which I think is worth repeating. I have always thought that it is perfectly poss...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
23 May 2013
Forth Road Bridge Bill: Stage 3
I thank all members for their contributions to what has been a generally very positive debate—apart from the one gratuitously controversial statement by Alex Johnstone. I apologise for getting Alex’s name wrong three times yesterday. I seem to have infected Helen Eadie with th...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
26 Mar 2013
Forth Road Bridge Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to open the debate on the general principles of the Forth Road Bridge Bill. I thank the Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee for its work in leading on the bill and the Finance Committee for its work and the assistance that it has provided....
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
04 Feb 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I come to the debate with the benefit, most recently, of being a member of the Local Government and Communities Committee, which has held three meetings to hear and consider evidence from a range of bodies on the issues that are covered by the bill. I wish also to draw on my e...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
15 Dec 2021
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill and Judicial Review and Courts Bill
The LCM for the Judicial Review and Courts Bill relates to a minor provision in the schedule to the bill. The policy provision is uncontroversial and relates to fines enforcement. There is a provision in the schedule that will mean that the Scottish Courts and Tribunal Service...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
08 Jun 2022
Online Safety Bill
The overarching purpose of the UK Government’s Online Safety Bill is to establish a new regulatory regime to address illegal and harmful content online. In particular, the bill creates new duties on providers of internet services to deal with illegal and harmful content and ac...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
26 Mar 2013
Forth Road Bridge Bill: Stage 1
I have just made the point that the committee acknowledged the legal situation that ministers were in and the possibility of challenge, and that ministers were correct not to take the risk of allowing FETA to bid for the contract. It was not possible to demonstrate that delega...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
02 Feb 2017
Awards for Valour (Protection) Bill
In any event, it is entirely appropriate for Bill Bowman to have made that speech, given that he has replaced our late colleague, Alex Johnstone. I had a number of conversations with Alex Johnstone on the issue. It is fair to say that he was quite understanding of some of the ...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
06 May 2020
Consumer Scotland Bill
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in support of the bill, which seeks to safeguard consumers’ interests and welfare, and to ensure that they can play a part in building the inclusive and sustainable economy that Scotland requires in the 21st century. As Richard Leona...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Committee
09 Mar 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you for the opportunity to provide an opening statement on the justice provisions in the bill. I thank all those who engaged in the 12-week consultation process, which has helped to inform the development of the bill, and those who have provided written and oral evidence...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
07 Dec 2022
Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill
First of all, I concede that there are parts of the bill with which we would have no issue, if they were standing in their own right. However, in the overall context of the bill, there are three areas where we—and human rights organisations in Northern Ireland and elsewhere—th...
The Convener: SNP Committee
03 Dec 2008
Scottish Parliamentary Pensions Bill: Stage 2
The next item of business is consideration of the Scottish Parliamentary Pensions Bill at stage 2. The committee has been established specifically to consider the bill at stage 2. I will highlight some procedural points. Members should have the bill, the marshalled list of ame...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Committee
27 Feb 2013
Forth Road Bridge Bill: Stage 1
I am grateful to the committee for the opportunity to discuss the Forth Road Bridge Bill, which paves the way for new arrangements on one of the most prestigious routes in the Scottish trunk road network.We believe that the bill is an important piece in the jigsaw that is emer...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
23 Mar 2021
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill
Andy Wightman introduced the bill to Parliament less than a year ago and I, too, congratulate him on bringing it to this important and historic stage. However, in truth, it has been a very long journey to get to this stage, in a process that started well before the Parliament ...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
01 Sep 2021
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill
I am grateful to the committee for giving me the opportunity to take questions on the LCM for the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill. I recognise that crime has no respect for borders or boundaries and, as such, must be tackled across multiple jurisdictions. Applying t...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
08 Feb 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This landmark bill honours the commitment that the Scottish Government made to bring forward legislation to pardon miners of certain offences relating to the miners strike of 1984 to 1985. It follows up a recommendation made by an independent review group that a pardon should ...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
08 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The committee considered issues around virtual hearings carefully at stage 1. It is clear that, although some stakeholders are extremely supportive and would like the use of virtual hearings to be extended further, others have concerns. We need to explore those concerns with t...
The Minister for Transport and Veterans (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
20 May 2014
Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to contribute to the debate and, as Kevin Stewart did, commend Dennis Robertson for the work that he has done so far. I reiterate that the Government supports Dennis Robertson and the bill. The bill follows a period of earlier reform and modernisation of the blue...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
20 May 2014
Disabled Persons’ Parking Badges (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is a very good point. I noticed that Kenneth Gibson was also wearing the same tie for Enable Scotland. This is an enabling bill for those who have disabilities, so it is quite appropriate. On welfare reform, our guiding approach so far has been to maximise the number of pe...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
06 Nov 2018
Human Tissue (Authorisation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
From my reading of the bill, what is proposed does not make the family’s role any clearer. There is nothing explicit in the bill on the role of the family. I am interested in what you think allows the rights or views of the family to supersede the expressed wish of the potenti...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2019
Human Tissue (Authorisation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I was about to ask whether I was allowed to donate half a minute of my time to other members, but I am grateful for getting it back. The debate has been very good and almost entirely consensual. I am grateful to the members of the Health and Sport Committee. I was on the com...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 May 2020
Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I start by wishing Ruan MacGregor a happy birthday. I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in support of the bill at stage 1. The bill is of particular interest to me, although I am not a member of the committee, and to many of my constituents. It is also of great import...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
27 May 2020
Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On the face of it, I have a lot of sympathy for that idea. It would certainly meet with the approval of those people who have contacted me on the issue. More widely, Shared Parenting Scotland, which I know that the minister has met—I am grateful that she has met me, too, to d...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP Chamber
07 Oct 2020
United Kingdom Internal Market Bill
I will not vote for the Parliament to consent to the UK Government’s internal market bill, and I have a number of reasons for taking that position. By the UK Government’s own admission, the bill breaks international law. It may do so in a “specific and limited” way, but it is...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
07 Oct 2020
United Kingdom Internal Market Bill
The member did not give way to anybody either. The Tories in the Scottish Parliament have fallen into line behind Boris. They now support Brexit despite 62 per cent of voters in Scotland opposing it. It was also revealed last week that they danced to London’s tune when they w...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
24 Feb 2021
Fair Rents (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On that part of the bill, the conclusion that I would draw is that we could aim a bit higher than is proposed and act in a more comprehensive way. On the other parts of the bill, Professor Robertson’s report says: “Ultimately, it is supply-side policies, embracing both land...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
08 Feb 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I do not think that the bill is the vehicle for doing that. The bill’s legacy will be the impact that the pardon has on communities. I reiterate that that will be significant. The bill is us—not the state that was in control at the time but the Scottish Government that is now ...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
08 Feb 2022
Miners’ Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As I said previously, the bill does not exclude women—we have no evidence of any females being convicted, certainly not under the qualifying criteria, and I do not think that we have much evidence beyond that. I think that the figure is 5 per cent for all the convictions that ...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
09 Mar 2022
Economic Crime (Transparency and Enforcement) Bill
The tragic events in Ukraine have brought these long-standing issues to the fore. Some members made the point that this should have happened some time ago, but it is undeniable that now is the time to lift the veil of secrecy and shine a light on who owns one of our most vi...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
01 Jun 2022
Portfolio Question Time · Justice System (Involvement of Victims)
First, I sympathise with Stephen Kerr’s experience. I had a very similar experience, with my family being threatened with having the house burned down by somebody who was subsequently convicted for burning down a house. I know how troubling such experiences can be. I concede ...
Keith Brown SNP Committee
01 Feb 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
There is no plan to amend the bill, because the issue that has been raised by the chair of the Parole Board is not a result of the bill. He has raised it, and it is a concern for him—I do not deny that—but it is not an effect of the bill. That is the existing situation. We are...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
01 Mar 2023
Portfolio Question Time · Reconviction Statistics (2019-20 Cohort)
That is a really important question. As convener of the Criminal Justice Committee, Audrey Nicoll will know that the bill will help to reduce reoffending and future victimisation by ensuring that public safety and victim protection are at the heart of bail decision making and ...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
12 Mar 2026
Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have heard the quotes from Edmund Burke a number of times over recent years. He was giving his point of view about the responsibilities of a member of Parliament. It was a conservative point of view, vehemently opposed by many other people who thought that it was not right. ...
Keith Brown (Ochil) (SNP): SNP Chamber
19 Jun 2008
Scottish Register of Tartans Bill: Stage 1
First, I apologise for coming in a bit late, after Jamie McGrigor started speaking. I congratulate him on introducing the bill and acknowledge the support of the Scottish Government and the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee so far. Like many other members, I have a substan...
The Minister for Transport and Infrastructure (Keith Brown) SNP Chamber
15 Dec 2010
Forth Crossing Bill: Stage 3
These amendments reopen matters that were previously determined at stage 2. However, they are critically important and I want to be stark in saying that, if passed, the amendments will generate significant risk and uncertainty—risk and uncertainty for the contractor and a like...
Keith Brown SNP Chamber
15 Dec 2010
Forth Crossing Bill
I have enjoyed listening to the debate. If the truth were told, I have enjoyed listening more than speaking, because my voice is not doing well. I am glad that I have a couple of quiet days ahead of me on Thursday and Friday.Before responding to individual comments, I will mak...
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Meeting of the Parliament 06 December 2018

06 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Brown, Keith SNP Clackmannanshire and Dunblane Watch on SPTV

The aim of the bill is to be an enabler of

“high quality care and improved outcomes for service users”

of the health and care services by helping to ensure appropriate staffing for their care. It is important to state that again, because although we started off with what I thought was a very balanced and fair account of the committee’s work from the convener, Lewis Macdonald, the debate has since gone into a number of related areas—and quite legitimately so. It is therefore important that we bear in mind the bill’s purpose.

For me, this is the latest development of the efforts that we have made—and by “we”, I mean everybody—to try to drive high standards in the health and social care sectors and to make best practice the standard to be achieved across the board. The bill’s policy memorandum states:

“The aim of the Bill is to provide a statutory basis for the provision of appropriate staffing in health and care service settings, thereby enabling safe and high quality care and improved outcomes for service users. Provision of high quality care requires the right people, in the right place, with the right skills at the right time to ensure the best health and care outcomes for service users and people experiencing care.”

Although we have in general heard support for the bill’s general principles, I have found it a little odd to hear some witnesses, when asked whether they supported the bill, say that they did not and that they did not see how it could be improved. I was particularly concerned to hear that view from people whose focus was, quite rightly, on the needs of the care sector. To my mind, the bill presents an opportunity to have the right staffing, so it strengthens the arguments of those who want staffing in the care sector to be improved. I am not sure on what basis people would not want to support that. They could, by all means, seek to improve it, but they should at least support the aim.

The aim is that, at a strategic level, staffing in our NHS and associated social care and care home provision will be planned to maximise the effectiveness of available resources, to deliver for clients and to ensure that their experience of health and care is always the paramount consideration. The systems that we put in place must help to ensure that practice in health and care in Scotland is the best that it can be and that the patient experience is positive.

With regard to recruitment, it is evident that there are pressures because of Brexit and that they have been building for some time. I cannot evidence this from what we heard, but I think that those pressures are more acute in the care sector than in the health sector. However, they are evident in both, and they are building day on day, week on week, month on month. Brexit is a substantial issue as far as recruitment is concerned; indeed, paragraph 206 on page 34 of the committee’s report says:

“Brexit uncertainties mean that it is challenging to meet the existing requirements and staffing establishments currently set by health boards and social care providers.”

The bill is intended to deliver a number of things. For example, at its heart is the promotion of safety in the health and care sector—and by “safety”, I mean safety for clients and the health and care staff. The mechanism for delivering that is the creation of a statutory duty with regard to the staffing levels to be applied to territorial and special health boards, but that will require appropriate staff planning and risk management. In the recent round of consultation on the bill, the committee asked stakeholders for their views on how the bill could best achieve that aim. In its submission, my own local health board, NHS Forth Valley, stated:

“The positive outcomes for patients and staff must be at the heart of the decision making process. The workforce tools will run consistently with health and social care boards having to act upon the results.”

NHS Forth Valley also proposed the need for a formal reporting structure to be part of any processes, and was among a number of consultees who stressed the need to clearly identify who is responsible for undertaking that. I have some sympathy with that. The one thing that I would say, however, is that, in relation to talk of outcomes, sanctions and targets, many of us stand up in this chamber and talk about the problem with bureaucracy in the health service, but there is a real danger that we could end up creating new forms of bureaucracy through what is being suggested. It is important that, as we go through the different stages of the bill, we bear that in mind.

Clackmannanshire and Stirling health and social care partnership also commented on the general principles of the bill, stating that it welcomed

“the guiding principle of a rigorous transparent approach to decision making about staffing in health and social care.”

That is what we should be aiming for. If, at the end of that process, people can point to deficiencies or ways in which the situation can be improved, the bill will have achieved its purpose. For example, Clackmannanshire and Stirling health and social care partnership also said that

“There are concerns regarding the additional expectations on planning and commissioning departments”,

but that should be a good thing. Additional expectations on commissioning departments should help to address some of the perceived issues in relation to staffing in those departments.

The concerns that have been raised are entirely fair to raise at this stage of our consideration of the bill, but I welcome the general acceptance in the many consultation responses that were submitted that the principle and direction of travel of the bill are right. In our detailed consideration of the issues, we must take due cognisance of those views.

The points that were raised in the briefing on the bill that was sent to MSPs by the Royal College of Nursing were valuable, and, given the central part that the RCN’s members will play in dealing with the legislation when it is enacted, I think that it is certainly worth considering the points that it makes. It suggested six tests—before Labour MSPs get too excited, they have nothing to do with Brexit. First, the RCN is looking for positive outcomes and for staff to be put at the heart of decision making. The bill seeks to do that; it tries to ensure that professional judgment—some have called it objective judgment—can be brought into play. We are looking for the professionals to make judgments. That is a vital part of what we are doing, and I believe that the cabinet secretary gave us assurances today and when she appeared before the committee that suggest that that will happen.

I welcome the general principles of the bill and I welcome some of the points that have been made by members. It strikes me that we have a good basis on which to take the bill forward, not least because of the assurances that the cabinet secretary has given in her response and because she has said that she intends to listen to what is being said as we move through the process. With that kind of co-operation and constructive engagement, we can get the right bill at the end. I am happy to support the bill.

15:42  

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The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a stage 1 debate on motion S5M-15055, in the name of Jeane Freeman, on the Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill. 14:30
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Sport (Jeane Freeman) SNP
The people of Scotland rightly expect safe, effective and person-centred healthcare. Ensuring that we all have continuing and improved access to the right ca...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I agree that it is important that staff be listened to. Recent figures reveal that, in the past three years, there have been 1 million days of stress-related...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I am grateful to Ms Lennon for raising the matter. I know that she has raised it before. Like her, I take stress-related absences—indeed, any absences in our...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jeane Freeman SNP
If the member does not mind, I will come back to him. I know that each and every profession contributes to the delivery of positive outcomes for service use...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Although the bill is worthy, it is nothing without adequate workforce planning underpinning it. We cannot legislate to make staffing safer and expect that ju...
Jeane Freeman SNP
Yes, I can confirm that. As I am in the middle of explaining, as a legislative framework around a methodology, the bill applies to all staff groups across he...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Lewis Macdonald to speak on behalf of the Health and Sport Committee, as its convener. 14:44
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As convener of the Health and Sport Committee, I am pleased to report on stage 1 of the Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill. Our report, which was agr...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Does Lewis Macdonald agree that the professional voice is important not only when it comes to safe staffing, and that the best ideas can stem from the ward a...
Lewis Macdonald Lab
I absolutely agree with that. It is fair to say that the committee’s approach to the bill and other things has been to seek the broadest possible input from ...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank all the organisations that provided extremely useful briefings ahead of today’s debate. The most valuable resource of any organisation is its people,...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open for Scottish Labour in the debate and I thank the Health and Sport Committee for its carefully considered report. From listening to the ...
Jeane Freeman SNP
In order to ensure that we have the absolutely correct context, I am sure that Ms Lennon will agree that the section 22 order on NHS Tayside refers to the pr...
Monica Lennon Lab
I am glad that the cabinet secretary has put on the record that information about her medium-term framework, but there is no denying the fact that, again, we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
No, when you say, “In conclusion”, that means that you are concluding, not saying, “In conclusion, here comes another chapter”.
Monica Lennon Lab
In conclusion, we must focus on the outcomes and we will work with the Government and others on amendments to secure that.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I know that trick—I have used it myself. 15:10
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Greens support the general principles of the bill and we will vote accordingly at decision time. However, concerns have been raised by many groups, inclu...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It is my privilege to offer the Liberal Democrats’ support for the bill’s general principles. I tread in the footsteps of my friend and colleague Kirsty Will...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. We will have speeches of six minutes as usual, but there is a little time in hand for interventions, which I would encourage. 15:23
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
We are here in the chamber to debate and, I hope, agree to the general principles of the Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Bill, as introduced by the Gov...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
The importance of NHS staff goes without saying. At some point, most of us will have had our lives changed for the better thanks to the personal dedication o...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that Annie Wells has read the Health and Sport Committee’s report and will realise that witnesses are concerned about the current and future effect...
Annie Wells Con
The recruitment and retention problem has not happened overnight; concerns have been raised for quite a while. We have to look at the problem in the longer t...
Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP) SNP
The aim of the bill is to be an enabler of “high quality care and improved outcomes for service users” of the health and care services by helping to ensure...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I begin by congratulating and thanking Lewis Macdonald and the Health and Sport Committee for producing this detailed report, which will be useful as we move...
Jeane Freeman SNP
I am sure that Mr Rowley will acknowledge that I have never, at any point, said that the bill will automatically by itself produce the numbers of professiona...
Alex Rowley Lab
I think that Monica Lennon acknowledged that when she opened for Labour and said that although we support the bill in principle, we need to do quite a lot of...