Committee
Finance Committee 22 May 2013
22 May 2013 · S4 · Finance Committee
Item of business
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Thank you, convener. I welcome the steps that are being taken to proceed with stage 2 of the bill. We have made substantial progress on considering issues in the bill that were raised at stage 1 and in the parliamentary debate on 25 April and, as the committee will be considering those issues as we move through stage 2, I would like to address some of them.First of all, I pay tribute to the work of the non-residential leases working group, which has been meeting in parallel with stage 1 consideration of the bill. As the committee will be aware, the group examined a range of options for the taxation of non-residential leases against a number of criteria and, after considering the group’s evidence on each of the options, I met it to discuss and identify the best way forward. Since then, the working group has provided invaluable assistance to officials in preparing provisions on the taxation of non-residential leases that will better align LBTT with Scots property law and practice and it has considered and agreed a comprehensive approach to a whole range of issues affecting the taxation of leases that will be reflected in the amendments that I propose to lodge for stage 2.I was delighted to note that in its formal stage 2 evidence to the committee the Law Society of Scotland supports the chosen approach on the grounds that it“should remove the many complexities which bedevil the SDLT lease code.”First, on partnerships and trusts, the provisions in the bill that cover the taxation of transactions involving partnerships broadly mirror those for stamp duty land tax. Although the provisions are complex, they have been working in practice for some years now. We had hoped to undertake a thorough review of the provisions with a view to simplifying the bill but, after carefully examining the issues, we found that even apparently minor changes might give rise to a significant risk of unintended consequences and unpredicted outcomes that would not be in the interests of either the taxpayer or the tax authority.It has not proved possible to review the partnership provisions and discuss detailed proposals with stakeholders prior to stage 2. Although we will propose minor amendments to the provisions, any major review will have to wait until later. I note the issues that have been raised in this respect, particularly by the Law Society, and I will look carefully at the proposal to establish a working group to consider taxation of partnerships.Secondly, on the energy efficiency proposals, a number of members noted during the stage 1 debate the existing homes alliance’s proposal to link the amount of LBTT paid in residential transactions to the average energy efficiency rating for housing in Scotland. Given the issue’s importance and our strong support for improving energy efficiency, I have given very careful consideration to the proposals that have been discussed. In doing so, I have sought to balance the need for a simple, certain and efficient tax system with the likely improvements to energy efficiency that would flow from the change proposed to calculating the tax liability on the sale of residential property. I believe that the proposal would add considerably to the complexity of the tax, because additional information would be required to calculate the liability. That information might change over time and, with every house sale transaction, would have to be checked carefully for reliability and accuracy. Moreover, although I support the proposal’s objectives, I could not see how it would have a direct positive impact on the energy efficiency of Scotland’s housing stock. Against that background, I welcome the interest and enthusiasm that have surrounded the introduction of the proposal but I confirm to the committee that I do not intend to take it forward in the bill process.Thirdly, on the setting of tax rates and bands for residential transactions, I understand the Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre’s view that the time between the announcement of the tax rates and bands and the introduction of the tax itself should be short to avoid any freezing of the market. Other factors that should be considered include arrangements for introducing the new tax, testing systems and communicating with taxpayers and their agents. I have also carefully considered the views of witnesses who were looking for earlier certainty on tax rates and bands for non-residential property transactions. The property development industry is key to Scotland’s continued economic prosperity and I am keen to do what I can to support the issues that it has raised. My discussions with stakeholders on the optimum time for setting out the tax rates and bands are on-going and I will clarify my thinking to the committee as the bill progresses.On sub-sale relief, in my closing remarks in the stage 1 debate I committed to further exploring options to ensure that the property development industry in Scotland was treated fairly following my decision, supported by the committee, not to replicate stamp duty land tax sub-sale rules, which have been the subject of aggressive avoidance activity. Since then, I have met industry representatives, who have provided a range of suggestions on how we might proceed. Discussions are continuing and I will keep the committee updated on what is happening. Essentially, I am trying to balance, on the one hand, providing the development industry with the ability to structure transactions in a fashion that meets their requirements and, on the other hand, preventing the creation of opportunities for tax avoidance. Preventing tax avoidance has been one of the bill’s hallmarks and I do not wish to undermine the bill’s strength and reputation in that respect. I am weighing up and balancing those two considerations at this stage.Finally, I want to thank the wide range of stakeholders who have significantly assisted the Government in this very complex policy area and look forward to continuing that consultation and dialogue with them and with the committee into the bargain.
In the same item of business
The Convener
SNP
The second item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session on the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill with Alan Barr of the Institute of Char...
Isobel d’Inverno (Law Society of Scotland)
Shall I start, convener?
The Convener
SNP
You can toss a coin if you like.
Isobel d’Inverno
I am convener of the Law Society of Scotland’s tax committee and am delighted to give further evidence on the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) B...
Alan Barr (Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland)
Although I am representing ICAS this morning—I serve on one of its capital tax committees—I am a lawyer by trade. ICAS has contributed a lot to the tax proce...
The Convener
SNP
On that cheery note, I invite Mr Melhuish to speak.
David Melhuish (Scottish Property Federation)
I endorse my two colleagues’ statements, which were fair. Alan Barr made a good point about taking the time to make the bill as good as it can be in the time...
Stephen Coleclough (Chartered Institute of Taxation)
Since I last appeared before the committee, I have moved from being deputy president to president of the Chartered Institute of Taxation. However, I am not h...
The Convener
SNP
Thank you very much. We will explore some of the comments that you made previously, but I make it clear that the committee is appreciative of all the work th...
Isobel d’Inverno
The draft of the proposed lease schedule that we have been looking at with the bill team is probably most of the way there—of course, it is a draft, and we w...
The Convener
SNP
Yes. In the private discussion it was indicated that work would go on to hone the bill in order to address some issues that have been raised.The calculation ...
Isobel d’Inverno
I am afraid that I cannot remember the numbering of all the options. We rejected the option of just keeping the SDLT system, because the way SDLT works for l...
Alan Barr
I endorse the suggestion that where we are getting to with LBTT is better than where we are at present. Speaking personally rather than on behalf of ICAS—I t...
The Convener
SNP
That is a good point and I will certainly put it to the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth when he gives evidence.
Isobel d’Inverno
As well as ensuring that the words on the page reflect what we discussed, we need to be sure that—as Alan Barr said—the computer systems will deal with the m...
The Convener
SNP
Yes—the bill team has told us that taxpayers will have access to an online calculator to assist them with the NPV calculation. We have before us a very inter...
Stephen Coleclough
That follows up on our conversation in January. With sub-sale relief, there are always at least three parties: the original vendor, the purchaser in the midd...
The Convener
SNP
So we need transparency in the process.
Stephen Coleclough
It is no more transparency than what we would get through the inquiries that someone makes about a building as to its status, survey, environmental condition...
The Convener
SNP
Colleagues will probably explore that issue further.Time is marching on, and I want to allow colleagues in, so I will just ask one other question, about part...
Stephen Coleclough
Referring back to what I said in January, I advise all members to take two Nurofen before we start this conversation.I will first pick up on the multitiered ...
The Convener
SNP
So far.
Stephen Coleclough
My advice would be to say yes—we look all the way through for all purposes. We should be clear about that.I do not think that you need to change the wording ...
The Convener
SNP
We will come to Alan Barr once we have heard from David Melhuish, who said in his organisation’s submission:“It would appear to be a missed opportunity if we...
David Melhuish
I was comparing the situation on partnerships to the constructive engagement that has taken place on the leases side of things and how the Government has wor...
The Convener
SNP
Indeed. All the submissions talk about that.
Alan Barr
I am going to urge the committee to be much more radical than Stephen Coleclough has urged it to be. As he pointed out, the provisions on partnerships in the...
The Convener
SNP
I will certainly raise that issue with the cabinet secretary in the next evidence session.I note that the Law Society’s submission has suggested that“a worki...
Isobel d’Inverno
Absolutely. Alan Barr was quite right to call the SDLT partnership legislation a disgrace and a dog. It offends against all of Adam Smith’s principles, as me...
Alan Barr
Although this is all horrendously complicated, the principal starting point—and the Scottish Parliament is rightly a great believer in principles in legislat...