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The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney) SNP Committee
22 May 2013
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Thank you, convener. I welcome the steps that are being taken to proceed with stage 2 of the bill. We have made substantial progress on considering issues in the bill that were raised at stage 1 and in the parliamentary debate on 25 April and, as the committee will be consider...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Economy (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
23 Feb 2016
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to open the debate on the general principles of the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill, which I introduced on 27 January this year. I begin by thanking all those who gave evidence—written and oral—to the Finance Committee and those, suc...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
09 Feb 2022
Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am pleased to open the final debate on the Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill. I am grateful to members of Parliament for a constructive and considered stage 1 debate. The COVID-19 Recovery Committee dealt with the bill at stage 2, a...
John Swinney: SNP Chamber
07 Jan 2010
Public Services Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am not sure whether Mr Rumbles has seen the text of the letter that I issued to the convener of the Finance Committee. However, it explains some of the changes that the Government proposes. I will get round to sharing more details, and if Mr Rumbles wants to ask further ques...
John Swinney SNP Committee
20 Nov 2013
Landfill Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Michael McMahon’s amendment 9 would insert a condition that money from the tax credit scheme or landfill communities fund should be spent within“the vicinity of a landfill site”.The argument on that was advanced at stage 1.In addressing amendment 9, I would like to highlight t...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
16 Mar 2021
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
It is of fundamental importance that the requirements of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child that are incorporated by the bill are interpreted and applied within the full context of the UNCRC itself, including the preamble and excluded provisions that cann...
John Swinney SNP Committee
03 Dec 2020
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is correct. Any bill requires careful judgment of the degree of prescription that is involved in the creation of new law, and Parliament is free to decide exactly how prescriptive it wishes to be. Mr Stewart’s suggestion of changing “may” to “must” might sound to people l...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
28 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
This is a large group of amendments, many of which are the same as or similar to those that were debated at stage 2, as Mr Mundell just put on the record. First, I will speak to amendments 9 to 11 in my name. At stage 2, I set out that the Government had worked closely throu...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
28 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I thank Mr Rowley for setting out his arguments, and I recognise the important points that he has made about protecting the vital role of the Parliament in the legislative process. I support that perspective. I recognise that there was reasonable concern that that role was no...
John Swinney: SNP Chamber
20 Jan 2010
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
Mr Whitton makes a curious point when he says that we can somehow make progress on the budget at stage 2 while he is arguing for Parliament to vote against the budget at stage 1. By its nature and logical sequence, we cannot go to stage 2 if we do not get past stage 1. I am te...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2013
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I apologise for the long speeches that you have to make in chairing the proceedings, Presiding Officer.The amendments in group 4, which the Presiding Officer read out, are all to do with the tax treatment of leases. Members will be relieved to hear that I do not intend to spea...
John Swinney SNP Committee
10 Feb 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am grateful to Mr Neil for the intervention. I listened carefully to the concerns raised by survivors and others on that point and, if new evidence emerged, the amendments that I am lodging would allow redress payments that have already been accepted to be revisited to take ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery (John Swinney) SNP Committee
27 Jan 2022
Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Stage 2 consideration of the bill follows from the constructive stage 1 debate last week, which demonstrated broad support across the Parliament for the general principles of the bill. The debate highlighted a number of key considerations with regard to the bill, specifically ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
24 May 2022
European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill and United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill
On 6 October, the Supreme Court gave its judgment on the European Charter of Local Self-Government (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill. When I updated Parliament that day, I explained that...
John Swinney SNP Committee
09 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The licensing board is subject to statutory requirements but is in control of its own proceedings. As a consequence of the provisions that are proposed in the amendments, licensing boards or authorities must consider any representations made to them but are not obliged to acce...
The Convener: SNP Committee
31 May 2000
Work Programme
Item 3 is on the committee's future work programme. There is a paper from the clerks, some of which will look—if members have good memories—hauntingly familiar in relation to some of the material that we have looked at before. The first part of the paper considers the factors ...
Mr Swinney: SNP Committee
02 Nov 1999
Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The issues of the amendment are for Brain Adam, but I would like to make a point about the minister's comments on the written understandings, which get to the nub of what we are feeling our way towards at this stage of the bill, and which relate to what we said last week about...
John Swinney: SNP Committee
24 Jun 2008
Budget Process (Review)
Your final point relates to what I was saying in my answer to Dr Murray. During last year's budget process, we reached consideration of the actual proposition in the stage 1 debate and then we discussed stage 2 propositions in the Finance Committee the next week and stage 3 am...
John Swinney: SNP Committee
10 Nov 2008
Budget Process 2009-10
The process of arriving at single outcome agreements has been embraced positively by a number of public sector organisations. We are midway between stage 1 and stage 2 of the single outcome agreements. Stage 1 involved each local authority producing a single outcome agreement ...
John Swinney: SNP Chamber
06 Feb 2008
Budget (Scotland) Bill
I am confident that, through the partnership that we have constructed with local authorities, resources in excess of that will be spent on supporting the families of disabled children in our country.Throughout the budget process, we have been only too aware of the reality of o...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
19 Aug 2014
Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 7 addresses an issue that was raised by the Finance Committee in its stage 1 report on the bill, and by Mr Chisholm at stage 2. It relates to condition B of the general anti-avoidance rule, which provides that a tax avoidance arrangement is artificial if it lacks eco...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
20 May 2014
Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Bill: Stage 1
The Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Bill is the third of three Scottish tax bills that have been introduced in this parliamentary session. The first two are now on the statute book: the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013 and the Landfill Tax (Scotland) Act ...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
23 Feb 2016
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
If that person owns a home in another country, the charge will apply. People will have to weigh up all the different issues. Many individual circumstances could be applied in the debate but the ones that we have just discussed will apply in the scenario that Jackie Baillie pro...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
08 Mar 2016
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
At stages 1 and 2, as colleagues have said, a major topic of debate was the question of a so-called grace period. That is relevant to cases in which the buyer has failed to sell their previous residence by the effective date of the new purchase. A grace period would be a peri...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
08 Mar 2016
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill
The issue that I have had to face with regard to this particular situation is the scenario of the UK Government acting in this fashion. Given the proper consideration that is available to this Parliament over taxation matters, the Scottish Government has to respond to ensure t...
John Swinney SNP Committee
03 Dec 2020
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
There is an issue of legislative competence that must be carefully navigated. In formulating the bill, I have been explicit that there are aspects of the UNCRC that we cannot put in domestic law because of limitations in our legislative competence. Based on its existing provi...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
24 Jun 2021
Coronavirus (Extension and Expiry) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
This group of amendments deals with the issue of reporting, which we discussed at some length yesterday. At the outset, I want to make it clear that the Government recognises that, when Parliament grants extraordinary measures of the type that are contained in the Scottish Cov...
John Swinney SNP Committee
25 Jan 2022
Implementation Plan Progress and Updated Complaints Procedure
That is crucial at every stage of the proceedings—not just at the appeal stage. The investigation stage, for example, will be carried out by an investigator, and their report will be passed at stage 3 to a decision maker, who will be a different person. If there is to be an ap...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery (John Swinney) SNP Committee
09 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
There is an extensive amount of material in the group of amendments, so I have quite a lot to say. I will try to minimise what I have to say on later amendments. The overarching amendment in the group is amendment 23. Alongside amendments 38 and 39 in group 2, it will strengt...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
28 Jun 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Following amendments to the bill at stage 2 to provide for an explanation of urgency if the made affirmative procedure needs to be used in urgent circumstances and for a sunsetting provision to be included when appropriate, a supplementary delegated powers memorandum was consi...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
12 May 2022
Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I encourage Alex Cole-Hamilton to listen to the arguments that I will develop during this opening speech, but I do not accept that there is material that we do not need to legislate for to enable us to prepare for future pandemics, because we can foresee a lot of what will eme...
The Convener: SNP Committee
31 May 2000
Education and Training (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Item 1 is on stage 2 of the Education and Training (Scotland) Bill. Simon Watkins, the clerk, has produced a paper covering a number of issues relating to our consideration of the bill at stage 2, which will begin on 12 June. The recommendation is that the committee agrees to ...
The Convener (Mr John Swinney): SNP Committee
12 Jun 2000
Education and Training (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning. I call to order the 15th meeting this year of the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee. The agenda, which was issued last week, contains one item: stage 2 consideration of the Education and Training (Scotland) Bill. I welcome the Deputy Minister for Enterpr...
Mr Swinney: SNP Committee
14 Feb 2007
Cairngorms National Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I see no reason why the issues raised cannot be addressed at stage 2. As I suggested in my introductory remarks, the general principles of the bill focus on the question whether it is appropriate to extend the boundaries of the national park to include east and highland Perths...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP Committee
20 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
I thank the committee, of which I am not a member, for making me welcome. I am here to make a number of points on behalf of the Finance Committee. Now is probably the opportune time to raise these points with the minister, although I might raise them again after the minister h...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP Chamber
01 Dec 1999
Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I thank the minister for his comments and I compliment him on the way that he has handled the bill and the arrangements with the Finance Committee. The comments that I will make today are designed to draw attention to some limited problems, which have emerged from the way in w...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP Chamber
26 Jan 2006
Points of Order
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I would like to raise a point of order in connection with the item of business that we are about to consider. As you are aware, I submitted what I considered to be a reasoned amendment to the motion lodged by Mr McCabe at stage 1 of the ...
Mr Swinney: SNP Chamber
31 May 2006
Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
It is very important that members listen carefully and pay attention to all the information that is conveyed to us by external organisations representing a broad cross-section of opinion; that we consider such information dispassionately; that we reflect on it; and that we are...
Mr Swinney: SNP Chamber
14 Dec 2006
Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
One of the matters discussed at length during consideration of the bill at stages 1 and 2 was whether complaints about services and conduct should be handled by the same body or different bodies. The Government proposes that service complaints should be handled by the Scottish...
Mr Swinney: SNP Chamber
21 Mar 2007
Cairngorms National Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I thank the members of all parties who have given such support to the Cairngorms National Park Boundary Bill, including Murdo Fraser, Mark Ruskell and particularly Dennis Canavan, who, obviously, is not with us today. I put on the record my thanks for the cross-party support f...
John Swinney: SNP Chamber
06 May 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
A legitimate argument for adding penalties to the bill can be made, but the Government has not chosen to take that route. We would rather approach the bill from the perspective of motivating and encouraging action to tackle climate change than have a relatively false debate ab...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
25 Jun 2013
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
As I acknowledged previously to the Finance Committee, the partnership provisions in the bill are complex, but having been part of the SDLT legislation, they will deliver two policy objectives that I believe are fair and which I wish to retain. The first is that partnerships w...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
09 Feb 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 3
The City of Edinburgh Council determines what it uses its resources for. The matter is one for the council.Margo MacDonald raised the issue of examining the contents of private finance initiative contracts to identify whether there is a way to release further value for the pub...
John Swinney SNP Committee
02 Apr 2014
Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Bill: Stage 1
As I said in my opening remarks, we have been looking carefully at the evidence that the committee has been hearing, including the points that have been expressed about penalties. We have come to the conclusion that the provisions in the bill on penalties are not as clear and ...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
19 Aug 2014
Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Bill: Stage 3
Amendments 39 and 40 address an issue that Gavin Brown raised at stage 2 about the date after which a taxpayer becomes liable to a penalty for late payment of tax. Section 151 provides that, for both devolved taxes, the taxpayer becomes liable to a penalty for late payment of ...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
20 May 2014
Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Bill: Stage 1
As Mr Rennie will be aware, the taxes for which I will have responsibility will be the land and buildings transaction tax and the landfill tax. If Amazon were to be responsible for any transactions involving the land and buildings transaction tax or any activities relating to ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Economy (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
02 Jun 2015
Scotland Can Do
I welcome the opportunity to open this debate on the steps that we are taking to strengthen support for the development of new enterprises in Scotland. This is a fundamental area of policy for the Scottish Government, which recognises the importance of creating the strongest...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
18 Jun 2015
Scottish Elections (Reduction of Voting Age) Bill: Stage 3
These amendments arise from evidence given to the Devolution (Further Powers) Committee by the centre for excellence for looked after children in Scotland. Although CELCIS welcomes the provision in section 15 to place a duty on local authorities to ensure that looked-after ch...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
18 Jun 2015
Scottish Elections (Reduction of Voting Age) Bill
That is regrettable, but I am trying to be charitable, as is my wont. The experience of enabling 16 and 17-year-olds to vote in the independence referendum last September, which has been acknowledged as both an enormous political decision and a political responsibility that wa...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Economy (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
28 May 2015
Scottish Elections (Reduction of Voting Age) Bill: Stage 1
Presiding Officer, I intend to restrict my speech to help as you requested. I am sure that Parliament appreciates enormously the decision that you made about the statement. I am delighted to open the debate on the principles of the Scottish Elections (Reduction of Voting Age)...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2015
Scotland’s Future, Democracy and Devolution
In this matter, we have most definitely done that. Even Gordon Brown, the former Prime Minister, is saying that the Scotland Bill does not deliver on the commitments that were made in the Smith commission. That, to me, is crystal-clear evidence that the United Kingdom Governme...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
08 Mar 2016
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The amendment that I lodged at stage 2 addressed that issue. Jackie Baillie accepted that I was helpful at stage 2 in extending the period to create those circumstances. I am simply placing on record the practical issues that would arise from Mr Brown’s amendment, which would...
John Swinney SNP Committee
10 Feb 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank Mr Johnson for lodging amendment 21. I absolutely agree with him on the sentiment behind it and share his determination that the scheme provide tangible acknowledgement of the harms of the past and the failings that led to those harms. Although I envisage some difficul...
John Swinney SNP Committee
10 Feb 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am happy to explore further the possibilities in that respect. As I said, Mr Greene’s amendments substantially address the matter, but I will, once we see what alterations are made at stage 2, be happy to engage in further dialogue with Mr Gray and other colleagues to determ...
John Swinney SNP Committee
10 Feb 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
During stage 1, evidence was heard about the fact that the definition of “abuse” in the bill is different from the inclusive definition in the Limitation (Childhood Abuse) (Scotland) Act 2017, the legislation that removed the three-year limitation period for court action for d...
John Swinney SNP Committee
17 Feb 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Last week, I said to the committee that I want to make sure that the operation of the waiver is fair to survivors. Some of the views that the committee heard at stage 1 and that the Government has heard throughout the engagement with survivors indicated that the provisions in ...
John Swinney SNP Committee
17 Feb 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Before discussing the amendments in the group directly, I would like to acknowledge the sensitivity of this part of our debate. It is one of many difficult topics in the context of redress. I know that committee members have said that they are uncomfortable with drawing lines ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP Chamber
11 Mar 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The first group consists of minor and technical amendments in relation to various provisions of the bill. Amendments 1 to 4 and amendment 33 are minor amendments to ensure that the overview section of the bill and the long title properly reflect the substantive content of the ...
John Swinney SNP Chamber
11 Mar 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I thank Mr Johnson for lodging these amendments relating to the duration of the scheme. I agree with him that the duration of the scheme should not be a barrier to survivors accessing redress. However, I believe that the issue was examined comprehensively and addressed by the ...
John Swinney SNP Committee
10 Feb 2021
Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
An important part of our collective response to the harms of the past is recognising those survivors who did not live long enough to be able to apply for financial redress. At stage 1, the committee heard powerful and moving evidence about the importance of recognising the exp...
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Finance Committee 22 May 2013

22 May 2013 · S4 · Finance Committee
Item of business
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Swinney, John SNP Perthshire North Watch on SPTV
Thank you, convener. I welcome the steps that are being taken to proceed with stage 2 of the bill. We have made substantial progress on considering issues in the bill that were raised at stage 1 and in the parliamentary debate on 25 April and, as the committee will be considering those issues as we move through stage 2, I would like to address some of them.First of all, I pay tribute to the work of the non-residential leases working group, which has been meeting in parallel with stage 1 consideration of the bill. As the committee will be aware, the group examined a range of options for the taxation of non-residential leases against a number of criteria and, after considering the group’s evidence on each of the options, I met it to discuss and identify the best way forward. Since then, the working group has provided invaluable assistance to officials in preparing provisions on the taxation of non-residential leases that will better align LBTT with Scots property law and practice and it has considered and agreed a comprehensive approach to a whole range of issues affecting the taxation of leases that will be reflected in the amendments that I propose to lodge for stage 2.I was delighted to note that in its formal stage 2 evidence to the committee the Law Society of Scotland supports the chosen approach on the grounds that it“should remove the many complexities which bedevil the SDLT lease code.”First, on partnerships and trusts, the provisions in the bill that cover the taxation of transactions involving partnerships broadly mirror those for stamp duty land tax. Although the provisions are complex, they have been working in practice for some years now. We had hoped to undertake a thorough review of the provisions with a view to simplifying the bill but, after carefully examining the issues, we found that even apparently minor changes might give rise to a significant risk of unintended consequences and unpredicted outcomes that would not be in the interests of either the taxpayer or the tax authority.It has not proved possible to review the partnership provisions and discuss detailed proposals with stakeholders prior to stage 2. Although we will propose minor amendments to the provisions, any major review will have to wait until later. I note the issues that have been raised in this respect, particularly by the Law Society, and I will look carefully at the proposal to establish a working group to consider taxation of partnerships.Secondly, on the energy efficiency proposals, a number of members noted during the stage 1 debate the existing homes alliance’s proposal to link the amount of LBTT paid in residential transactions to the average energy efficiency rating for housing in Scotland. Given the issue’s importance and our strong support for improving energy efficiency, I have given very careful consideration to the proposals that have been discussed. In doing so, I have sought to balance the need for a simple, certain and efficient tax system with the likely improvements to energy efficiency that would flow from the change proposed to calculating the tax liability on the sale of residential property. I believe that the proposal would add considerably to the complexity of the tax, because additional information would be required to calculate the liability. That information might change over time and, with every house sale transaction, would have to be checked carefully for reliability and accuracy. Moreover, although I support the proposal’s objectives, I could not see how it would have a direct positive impact on the energy efficiency of Scotland’s housing stock. Against that background, I welcome the interest and enthusiasm that have surrounded the introduction of the proposal but I confirm to the committee that I do not intend to take it forward in the bill process.Thirdly, on the setting of tax rates and bands for residential transactions, I understand the Edinburgh Solicitors Property Centre’s view that the time between the announcement of the tax rates and bands and the introduction of the tax itself should be short to avoid any freezing of the market. Other factors that should be considered include arrangements for introducing the new tax, testing systems and communicating with taxpayers and their agents. I have also carefully considered the views of witnesses who were looking for earlier certainty on tax rates and bands for non-residential property transactions. The property development industry is key to Scotland’s continued economic prosperity and I am keen to do what I can to support the issues that it has raised. My discussions with stakeholders on the optimum time for setting out the tax rates and bands are on-going and I will clarify my thinking to the committee as the bill progresses.On sub-sale relief, in my closing remarks in the stage 1 debate I committed to further exploring options to ensure that the property development industry in Scotland was treated fairly following my decision, supported by the committee, not to replicate stamp duty land tax sub-sale rules, which have been the subject of aggressive avoidance activity. Since then, I have met industry representatives, who have provided a range of suggestions on how we might proceed. Discussions are continuing and I will keep the committee updated on what is happening. Essentially, I am trying to balance, on the one hand, providing the development industry with the ability to structure transactions in a fashion that meets their requirements and, on the other hand, preventing the creation of opportunities for tax avoidance. Preventing tax avoidance has been one of the bill’s hallmarks and I do not wish to undermine the bill’s strength and reputation in that respect. I am weighing up and balancing those two considerations at this stage.Finally, I want to thank the wide range of stakeholders who have significantly assisted the Government in this very complex policy area and look forward to continuing that consultation and dialogue with them and with the committee into the bargain.

In the same item of business

The Convener SNP
The second item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session on the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Bill with Alan Barr of the Institute of Char...
Isobel d’Inverno (Law Society of Scotland)
Shall I start, convener?
The Convener SNP
You can toss a coin if you like.
Isobel d’Inverno
I am convener of the Law Society of Scotland’s tax committee and am delighted to give further evidence on the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) B...
Alan Barr (Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland)
Although I am representing ICAS this morning—I serve on one of its capital tax committees—I am a lawyer by trade. ICAS has contributed a lot to the tax proce...
The Convener SNP
On that cheery note, I invite Mr Melhuish to speak.
David Melhuish (Scottish Property Federation)
I endorse my two colleagues’ statements, which were fair. Alan Barr made a good point about taking the time to make the bill as good as it can be in the time...
Stephen Coleclough (Chartered Institute of Taxation)
Since I last appeared before the committee, I have moved from being deputy president to president of the Chartered Institute of Taxation. However, I am not h...
The Convener SNP
Thank you very much. We will explore some of the comments that you made previously, but I make it clear that the committee is appreciative of all the work th...
Isobel d’Inverno
The draft of the proposed lease schedule that we have been looking at with the bill team is probably most of the way there—of course, it is a draft, and we w...
The Convener SNP
Yes. In the private discussion it was indicated that work would go on to hone the bill in order to address some issues that have been raised.The calculation ...
Isobel d’Inverno
I am afraid that I cannot remember the numbering of all the options. We rejected the option of just keeping the SDLT system, because the way SDLT works for l...
Alan Barr
I endorse the suggestion that where we are getting to with LBTT is better than where we are at present. Speaking personally rather than on behalf of ICAS—I t...
The Convener SNP
That is a good point and I will certainly put it to the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Employment and Sustainable Growth when he gives evidence.
Isobel d’Inverno
As well as ensuring that the words on the page reflect what we discussed, we need to be sure that—as Alan Barr said—the computer systems will deal with the m...
The Convener SNP
Yes—the bill team has told us that taxpayers will have access to an online calculator to assist them with the NPV calculation. We have before us a very inter...
Stephen Coleclough
That follows up on our conversation in January. With sub-sale relief, there are always at least three parties: the original vendor, the purchaser in the midd...
The Convener SNP
So we need transparency in the process.
Stephen Coleclough
It is no more transparency than what we would get through the inquiries that someone makes about a building as to its status, survey, environmental condition...
The Convener SNP
Colleagues will probably explore that issue further.Time is marching on, and I want to allow colleagues in, so I will just ask one other question, about part...
Stephen Coleclough
Referring back to what I said in January, I advise all members to take two Nurofen before we start this conversation.I will first pick up on the multitiered ...
The Convener SNP
So far.
Stephen Coleclough
My advice would be to say yes—we look all the way through for all purposes. We should be clear about that.I do not think that you need to change the wording ...
The Convener SNP
We will come to Alan Barr once we have heard from David Melhuish, who said in his organisation’s submission:“It would appear to be a missed opportunity if we...
David Melhuish
I was comparing the situation on partnerships to the constructive engagement that has taken place on the leases side of things and how the Government has wor...
The Convener SNP
Indeed. All the submissions talk about that.
Alan Barr
I am going to urge the committee to be much more radical than Stephen Coleclough has urged it to be. As he pointed out, the provisions on partnerships in the...
The Convener SNP
I will certainly raise that issue with the cabinet secretary in the next evidence session.I note that the Law Society’s submission has suggested that“a worki...
Isobel d’Inverno
Absolutely. Alan Barr was quite right to call the SDLT partnership legislation a disgrace and a dog. It offends against all of Adam Smith’s principles, as me...
Alan Barr
Although this is all horrendously complicated, the principal starting point—and the Scottish Parliament is rightly a great believer in principles in legislat...