Committee
Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee, 10 May 2000
10 May 2000 · S1 · Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee
Item of business
Education and Training (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you, minister. I want to move on to the Sewel motion the minister mentioned. Members will have received notification of the motion in a note from the clerk dated 5 May. Mr McLeish has lodged a motion, S1M-8170, on the Learning and Skills Bill, which says:
"That the Parliament agrees that the regulation-making powers relating to Scotland in respect of learning accounts in the Learning and Skills Bill should be devolved to Scottish Ministers."
The motion relates to the minister's point about the subject under discussion being covered by three bills: the Education and Training (Scotland) Bill, the UK Finance Bill, which is going through the House of Lords and the UK Learning and Skills Bill, which is currently in the House of Commons.
We are required to give a view on Mr McLeish's motion, which will go before Parliament for a decision. If the committee is content with the motion, it will probably be taken without debate. This is our opportunity to make any comments about the motion. Do you want to make any additional comments, minister?
"That the Parliament agrees that the regulation-making powers relating to Scotland in respect of learning accounts in the Learning and Skills Bill should be devolved to Scottish Ministers."
The motion relates to the minister's point about the subject under discussion being covered by three bills: the Education and Training (Scotland) Bill, the UK Finance Bill, which is going through the House of Lords and the UK Learning and Skills Bill, which is currently in the House of Commons.
We are required to give a view on Mr McLeish's motion, which will go before Parliament for a decision. If the committee is content with the motion, it will probably be taken without debate. This is our opportunity to make any comments about the motion. Do you want to make any additional comments, minister?
In the same item of business
The Convener:
SNP
Item 2 is the continuation of our stage 1 evidence on the general principles of the Education and Training (Scotland) Bill. We commenced our consideration la...
The Deputy Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Nicol Stephen):
LD
I have on my right David Stewart, the head of the opportunities for learning division and on my left, Allan Wilson, the team leader for the Education and Tra...
The Convener:
SNP
Would you like to make some opening remarks to the committee?
Nicol Stephen:
LD
I should be pleased to do that. I am grateful for the invitation to attend the committee today. Everyone in this room wishes to develop Scotland as a learnin...
The Convener:
SNP
It should be a matter of moments, minister. Laughter.
Nicol Stephen:
LD
Learndirect Scotland and the individual learning accounts initiative will work together to help many more people along the road of lifelong learning.Employer...
The Convener:
SNP
Thank you for that full outline. The committee was quite struck during its evidence-taking last Friday by the consistency of the evidence. In a submission, S...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
Putting lifelong learning centre stage is a key part of our strategy in relation to further and higher education, new learning centres, and the creation of t...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab):
Lab
I would like to expand on disadvantage, particularly with regard to the rural dimension. People in rural areas have particular problems. Someone on a low wag...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
The rules of the scheme will be broadly the same throughout Scotland and the UK, but the emphasis will be on local delivery. Learndirect Scotland will have a...
Dr Murray:
Lab
The role of information and communications technology will be important in the delivery of distance learning to rural communities. However, there is an inves...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
I was involved when a Highlands and Islands Enterprise scheme was launched in Stirling—in the Scottish Enterprise area—because it was so innovative and becau...
Marilyn Livingstone (Kirkcaldy) (Lab):
Lab
I have two brief questions. First, can you expand on how you see guidance and support being made available to those who most need it? You said that if guidan...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
I will deal with guidance and support first. We have decided that the funding for individual learning accounts can be used for guidance. We are currently exa...
The Convener:
SNP
Thank you, minister. We have a number of items to deal with, so I ask for brief questions and brief answers. We will need time to discuss the Sewel motion; m...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab):
Lab
What you have described is a nationwide scheme in which Scottish Enterprise will have a key role through the LECs. The head of Scottish Enterprise has said t...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
I am convinced that Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise are fully committed to the individual learning accounts proposal. The local ente...
Mr McNeil:
Lab
Will they be set targets to reach those who most need training? Will those targets be set and monitored? Will the success of the programme be judged on how m...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
There will be monitoring but, initially, there will be no targets other than the overall 100,000 individual learning accounts target, which will be broken do...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):
SNP
Although I appreciate your candour, minister, I am shocked and appalled to learn that the scheme will make no allowance for the costs of travel and child car...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
It is important to emphasise that all this is an improvement on the current position. There will be £23 million of new, additional funding over the next two ...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
The proposition that it is too complicated to legislate in a way that does not discriminate against rural parts of Scotland seems dubious. Taking what you sa...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
I made it clear that I would provide further information to the committee on the Highlands and Islands Enterprise budget. I pointed out that not a penny of t...
The Convener:
SNP
Thank you, minister. Margo MacDonald will ask the final question in this session.
Ms Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
You have identified 100,000 individual learning accounts as a pilot scheme to test the water, but there is doubt in the committee about whether you will reac...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
There will be an opportunity to do that. I emphasise the flexibility. I have responsibility for aspects of the new deal. One of the things the Scottish group...
The Convener:
SNP
Thank you, minister. I want to move on to the Sewel motion the minister mentioned. Members will have received notification of the motion in a note from the c...
Nicol Stephen:
LD
As members will know, the original model intended individual learning accounts to involve the establishment of a bank account, involving the banks in the pro...
The Convener:
SNP
Do members have any comments on the Sewel motion? Are members content with the motion?Members indicated agreement.
The Convener:
SNP
Okay. We will report to Parliament the fact that the committee is content with the motion.I want to ask about section 3 of the Education and Training (Scotla...