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The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
I would like to outline the Executive's proposals for the future of the prison estate in Scotland, which are being published today for consultation.Prisons are a crucial element of the criminal justice system. The public is entitled to protection from those who commit serious ...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Prisons
Scotland needs prisons fit for the 21st century. We consulted on proposals to achieve that goal, we have listened to what people said and we have considered the issues carefully. I now set out our plans to modernise Scotland's prison system.Our approach combines investment in ...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
James Douglas-Hamilton has used the 15 months to undertake some worthwhile research to find out how various people voted in 1992. I do not deny that the view I took was as he said. I have had misgivings about the private sector in prisons, but I have been prepared to listen to...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
I am aware that there are arguments for monocultural, homogeneous prisons; I am also aware that they are not, by any stretch of the imagination, universally accepted. That is an issue. We will obviously think very carefully about where the core work now done at Peterhead is tr...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
In theory, there is a risk of that happening. We hope that, if the decision is taken to close Peterhead, staff will be encouraged to transfer to other sites that have been designated for the treatment of sex offenders. I repeat that a considerable number of members of staff of...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
10 Oct 2002
Prison Estates Review
I understood from her speech that the convener of the Justice 1 Committee thought that the SPS should have the expertise to get on with that work. If I misunderstood, I apologise, but that is how I interpreted what Ms Grahame said. Because our approach involves buying prison p...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
Barlinnie is not Peterhead and no one is pretending otherwise. I reassure the committee that it is our belief that the STOP 2000 programme can be delivered effectively. There is no international consensus on monoculture; there are conflicting views. I am aware—and it is ludicr...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
Even if we did so and built a new prison of 700 places, some short-term prisoners, possibly from far away from the north-east, would almost inevitably have to be housed in Peterhead. The solution is not as simple as putting every sex offender in Scotland in Peterhead.The econo...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
18 Apr 2002
Prison Estates Review
In acknowledging the good work that is done at Peterhead, it must be recognised that the most important elements in that work are the quality of the prisoner programmes and the quality of the staff delivering them. The STOP 2000 sex offender treatment programme was expressly d...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
I will preface my remarks by repeating what I have said on many occasions: I recognise and value the work that prison officers at Peterhead do. I have visited the prison, I have seen the work that is done there and I do not want to detract from the achievements of staff at Pet...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
I thank Henry McLeish for his questions and for taking a keen interest as First Minister in the work that was being done on the prison estates review.As I indicated, we commissioned the PricewaterhouseCoopers report because when we saw the huge difference between the figures f...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
The prison estates review has not gone into the detailed planning of individual prisons. In most prisons—I think that I am safe to say all prisons—there are units where people can be segregated if operational needs require that to happen. I imagine that the situation would be ...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
The buildings in Peterhead have been regularly inspected over the years. I am not suggesting that there is any danger of their falling down. Because they had been regularly inspected, we did not believe that there was a need for a full structural survey. I am advised that, in ...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
17 Sep 2002
Scottish Executive
As I said in my statement of 5 September, Peterhead prison remains open and there are no plans to close it. The building is old, but we have never argued that it is about to fall down and that is almost one of the problems—the building is very sturdy and has stood the test of ...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Chamber
29 Nov 2001
Question Time · Prison Service
I visited Peterhead prison in February, and I give proper credit to the work that is done there and to the commitment of the staff. Indeed, I am surprised that in the long list of things that Stewart Stevenson read out he omitted to mention that Peterhead prison has been award...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
I did not brief anyone on the proposals and no authorised briefing took place—I gave specific instructions that no briefing should take place. It was not rocket science for the press to eliminate some of the options, but it is interesting that some of the weekend press reports...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
I acknowledge that Stewart Stevenson has an important constituency interest and that it is proper that he should state the case for his constituency as best he can. However, I do not think that he did so in that contribution; he overstated the case considerably. I have written...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
First, I would like to thank Richard Lochhead for the moderate, but effective, way in which he advanced the case for Peterhead. I have given a number of the reasons behind the decision to close Peterhead. I do not know how often I can do this, but I repeat that nothing that I ...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Prisons
I am pleased that Lord James welcomes the announcements that I have made, particularly with regard to Peterhead. The way in which the consultation procedure progressed is a tribute to the Parliament and what many of us who fought to establish the Parliament said that it should...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Prisons
I thank Stewart Stevenson for his welcome of the decision on Peterhead. I repeat what I said about the dignified and effective role of the partners of the Peterhead staff. On the occasions that I met them, they put their case forcefully but fairly, and not without humour at ti...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Prisons
I have indicated that, as far ahead as I can see, Peterhead will continue to be the centre for the treatment of long-term sex offenders. I am aware of Gil Paterson's serious interest in the issue of tackling sex offending. I am sure that he will find the Spencer report informa...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
I have not had the report on the operational case for retention properly examined or analysed. It would have been improper to have passed the report on in print before it was in the public domain, but rest assured that the committee will get a very proper response to it.One or...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
I do not want people to be left with the impression that the programme is being implemented only in Peterhead or that Peterhead is the only institution in which the programme is successful, and that if it is done somewhere else, it poses a threat to the community. I assure thi...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
It is certainly a factor that must be considered. However, something rather more significant has arisen in the course of the debate that has been going on since we launched the prison estates review. One piece of information that is interesting, and which carries some weight w...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
Considerable consideration was given to all those factors such as those relating to the staff at Peterhead. We knew that the prison was popular in the local community.Nevertheless, there were other factors. We have all agreed that maintaining the status quo at Peterhead was no...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Committee
17 Sep 2002
Scottish Executive
I am grateful for the opportunity to say a brief word or two of introduction. We are now in the final year of the first session of the Scottish Parliament, and it is right that we should look at what the Executive and the Parliament have achieved for the people of Scotland and...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
I indicated that the closure of Peterhead would take some three or four years, which will allow a considerable time to ensure that alternative provision in the public sector of the prison service is made available and is properly established. We have to ensure that officers ot...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
18 Apr 2002
Prison Estates Review
I am in the final minute of my speech and I have not even mentioned Peterhead yet.There is always room for improvement in any prison. Kilmarnock is still relatively new and all new prisons, public or private, require time to settle down. We believe that, over a range of issues...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Chamber
18 Apr 2002
Prison Estates Review
I have been listening carefully to James Douglas-Hamilton's comments. Can he clarify what he is proposing ought to be costed? He said that there could be a 500-place prison at Peterhead, which could be built by the private sector. Would he intend that prison to be built and op...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Prisons
As I said in my answer to Stewart Stevenson, the response to the Spencer report will play an important part in our thinking. Although I could not put a time scale on it, Peterhead is to remain open. We cannot commit for ever and a day but, as far as I can see, Peterhead will r...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
07 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I certainly hope that that message is getting through the system. The pilots of the restriction of liberty order were in Aberdeen, Peterhead and Hamilton sheriff courts. Of the three, it is probably fair to say that the orders were taken up most in Hamilton sheriff court. When...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
07 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Yes, they were bought at one time. Peterhead prison was probably bought in the 1890s.
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
23 May 2002
Prison Estates Review
I can explain what happened from the point when ministers received the estates review from the SPS, and Mr Cameron no doubt can advise the committee on the process that took the review to that position.We were aware that the SPS was undertaking an estates review and we receive...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
23 May 2002
Prison Estates Review
There are specific issues at Peterhead that relate very much to the difficulties with the buildings. If you will bear with me, I have a note of some of them.
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
The conversation was not so much about Peterhead specifically, but about the public sector.
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
I assure the committee that the matter is being considered. It is important to get the numbers into perspective. Not all the 295 prisoners at Peterhead are undergoing the STOP 2000 programme.
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
At any given time, a relatively small number of prisoners are on the programme. As I said, the STOP 2000 programme is delivered in other parts of the prison estate. As one part is reduced, other parts could increase. I think that slightly less than one third of the total numbe...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
You do not appreciate the number of times that those issues were considered. One of my concerns when preparing the consultation paper was the deliverability of the STOP 2000 programme in places other than Peterhead. Mr Cameron will confirm that I continually asked detailed que...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
There is stuff in the estates review, paragraph 162 of which states:"If the decision was taken to close HMP Peterhead, this could not take place under any scenario within a minimum of three years. This time will be utilised to continue building up expertise and training of sta...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
If you read the review, you will see that it includes considerable consideration on those subjects. When we examined the relocation, we took into account the fact that STOP 2000 was not unique to Peterhead, that it was being delivered in other parts of the prison estate and th...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
I would not accept that very loose description. However, I will consider those figures to see whether they stack up. I do not believe that the valuation of the Peterhead land site that you claim has been done is accurate.
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Jun 2002
Prison Estates Review
Before answering those questions, and before we start any hares running, I should say that as far as I am aware from conversations with the chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service, no contractor has been asked to go in and give Peterhead a sale value.
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
17 Sep 2002
Scottish Executive
Peterhead is to remain the centre for treatment and incarceration of long-term sex offenders. Where there are inconsistencies, the policy that I announced on 5 September will prevail.
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
02 Oct 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Yes, of course. I will be happy to provide the committees with the evaluation of the pilot schemes on diversion from prosecution to which the letter refers. The schemes have now been rolled out throughout Scotland. An obvious example of national roll-out is the pilots for rest...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
02 Oct 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
There will be improvements in efficiency. Indeed, that is where some of the £12.5 million will come from. That is one of the key performance targets that I set the prison service. However, the fact remains that there is a £110 million capital investment programme to refurbish ...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
25 Feb 2003
Alternatives to Custody Inquiry
I am certainly aware that sheriffs have expressed that view. As I indicated yesterday at the conference that SACRO and Amnesty International co-sponsored, we would have had a real postcode lottery in sentencing if we had not piloted schemes or evaluated sentences before rollin...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
14 Dec 1999
Scottish Prisons
I did not take the decision, but I know that there were a number of factors. Seven criteria were used when the Scottish Prison Service decided to close or, in the case of the Peterhead unit, mothball establishments: operational impact of closure; cost per prisoner place; flexi...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Sep 2000
Scottish Executive Justice Department
That will depend on the outcome of the review. If I say that Barlinnie has 77 per cent of prisoners without access to night sanitation and Peterhead has 100 per cent without access to night sanitation, it is clear that there is much work to be done. I want that work to be done...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Prison Estates Review
We would be happy to have a conversation on that point. With regard to Low Moss, I said that it would close as soon as possible. As we have seen, there are some factors about which we cannot be specific, not least the ones that I have just explained to Bristow Muldoon. Prisone...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
18 Apr 2002
Prison Estates Review
Four weeks ago, I announced to the Parliament the publication of the Scottish Executive's proposals for the future of the Scottish prison estate. The Executive debate allows us to focus on the key issues that have led ministers to conclude that the proposals outlined in the co...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Prisons
I am grateful to Ms Cunningham for offering a welcome to the fact that Peterhead is not to close.As her questions went on, we saw clearly how bereft the SNP is in addressing any of the serious issues facing our prisons. After all, only yesterday Mr Swinney was calling for long...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Prisons
With regard to Cornton Vale, what I have said today about the development of alternatives to custody is important. People will have seen the letter in The Herald that commended the Executive for some of the initiatives that we have taken in that regard. Obviously, the time-out...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
14 Nov 2002
First Minister's Question Time · Fishing
I agree that the issue should be approached on an all-party basis, as has been the case. The meeting that my colleague Ross Finnie—and, indeed, other colleagues present from all parties in the Parliament—attended in Aberdeen on Monday was indicative of that coming together not...
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Chamber

Plenary, 21 Mar 2002

21 Mar 2002 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Prison Estates Review
I would like to outline the Executive's proposals for the future of the prison estate in Scotland, which are being published today for consultation.

Prisons are a crucial element of the criminal justice system. The public is entitled to protection from those who commit serious crimes and it is our responsibility to ensure that those who are imprisoned are held in secure custody. It is also the Executive's responsibility to ensure that prison conditions meet modern standards. Many of our prisons were built in Victorian times, but their role has since changed. Prisons are no longer merely places for holding prisoners; they should help to reduce crime by working to help prisoners to change their behaviour so that they do not re-offend on release.

It is an uncomfortable but undeniable fact that the existing prison estate does not meet the needs of many prisoners, nor does it address the public's interest in effective rehabilitation as well as it should. That is not to denigrate the efforts of prison staff, who display dedication and expertise in dealing with a wide range of often very difficult prisoners. However, many staff work in poor conditions, which makes it harder for prisoners to address their offending behaviour and for staff to help to rehabilitate them.

Three main issues need to be addressed if we are to have a prison estate that is fit for its purpose. First, the number of prisoners is rising and is projected to continue to rise. Overcrowding is already an issue in some prisons and the situation will worsen unless additional prisoner places are provided. The need for extra prisoner places over the next 10 years cannot be met simply by refurbishing existing accommodation and building on existing sites. It is our responsibility to plan now to meet that need.

Secondly, we must deal with existing accommodation that falls well short of an acceptable standard. We inherited a prison estate that suffered from serious underinvestment. Her Majesty's Prisons at Barlinnie and Peterhead fall well below modern standards and at Low Moss, prisoners are held in wooden huts that were built 60 years ago as temporary accommodation. The buildings at Low Moss and Peterhead are reaching the end of their useful lives.

The third issue is slopping out. That a quarter of Scotland's prisoners must still slop out is wholly undesirable and we are committed to making that a thing of the past.

Prisons are important, but they are only one part of our criminal justice system. We are taking action to achieve a safer Scotland. That has had some success already, as falling levels of crime demonstrate. We will continue to build on that progress.

For many less serious offenders, imprisonment is not the answer. That is why our criminal justice strategy makes available to our courts an increasing range of tough, high-quality, non-custodial options. For example, restriction of liberty orders are being made available to all Scottish courts later this year and drug treatment and testing orders are being established. However, serious offences will remain, for which deterrence and the protection of the public require prison sentences and therefore prisons.

The proposals that we are publishing today have taken a long time to develop. We have been clear that we needed robust information on which to base our decisions. The issues are complex and the decisions have long-term implications and involve large sums of taxpayers' money. Our proposals meet immediate needs and long-term requirements and deliver value for money. Before I describe the proposals in detail, I will explain the basis on which they have been developed.

The remit of the estates review was to identify the likely pressures on the prison estate over at least the next 10 years and to generate options for dealing with those pressures. The review was conducted with an open mind. As I said in Parliament, nothing was ruled out and nothing was ruled in. To supplement the review, PricewaterhouseCoopers conducted an in-depth study of the cost of public and private sector options, and of a mixed option of private sector building and public sector operation for the provision of new prison accommodation.

Today, we are publishing not just our consultation document but the estates review, including the statistical background to our prisoner projections, and the PricewaterhouseCoopers study.

The latest projections for the next 10 years are an increase in the prisoner population from the current population of 6,300 to a level that will range from a low of 6,700 prisoners to a high of 8,500 prisoners. Given the uncertainties that exist, and taking into account the Executive's policies to provide more alternatives to custody, we concluded that we could prudently plan on the basis of 7,200 prisoners. If numbers begin to exceed that prudent projection, there will be flexibility in the new capacity and time to put measures in place to meet greater demand. Projecting future trends in the prisoner population is not an exact science.

Although overall the level of crime is falling, levels of serious crime remain high. Detection rates are at their highest level since 1939 and the average length of sentences has increased by 40 per cent since 1980. I will never apologise for a criminal justice system that locks up serious and violent offenders for a long time. Those factors are driving up prisoner numbers and are central to the projections that I outlined.

The review concluded that to meet the projected demand for increased prisoner places and replace existing poor-quality accommodation, a total of 3,300 new prisoner places must be provided. A significant programme of public sector investment in the refurbishment of existing accommodation or construction of new buildings can provide about 1,100 of those places within existing Scottish Prison Service establishments, so about 2,200 places in new prisons are required.

The optimum size for a new prison is about 700 places, although the actual size of any new prison will depend on a number of factors, including site availability and location. Prisons that are significantly larger than 700 places can be much more difficult to manage, while smaller prisons are often less economical to run. In order to meet the requirement for about 2,200 prisoner places, we need to plan for three new prisons, although a final decision on the third will be taken in the light of updated projections of the prisoner population.

How should those prisons be provided? As I said, the review considered public, private and mixed options. In order to compare the costs of the options, they have been assessed on the standard Treasury-approved net present value—or NPV—basis over 25 years. Using NPV, an option that would involve expenditure's being incurred over a long time can be compared objectively with one in which a greater proportion of the expenditure is incurred up front.

The NPV cost of three new public sector prisons would be approximately £1.3 billion. The mixed private-public option would cost between £1 billion and £1.3 billion and the wholly private sector option would cost £0.6 billion. The difference between the wholly private sector option and the public sector option is £700 million. No responsible administration can ignore such a difference. We should remember that if we choose the public sector option, there will be £700 million less to spend on other public services.

The public sector and hybrid options would take about 11 years to complete, but the private sector option could deliver the prisoner places in five or six years. That means a considerable difference in the time scale for ending slopping out. A number of factors lead to that difference. The experience of other private prisons is that the private sector can deliver major building projects more quickly and efficiently than the public sector. A public sector option would require longer for preparation and design. The need for the new prisons is too pressing for such a delay to be acceptable, and we would be failing in our duty if we did not take the route that offered the best value for money.

Some people oppose the use of the private sector in prisons because they believe that it is wrong to entrust the care of prisoners to the private sector. Others argue that the private sector will not be able to deliver to an acceptable standard, but experience in Scotland and elsewhere has demonstrated that the private sector can deliver successfully against very demanding requirements. The objective evidence is clear that the new prison at Kilmarnock was delivered quickly and economically, and is now operating as an effective part of the Scottish prison system. It is beginning to deliver accredited programmes and has the highest out-of-cell time of any Scottish prison.

Although we propose that the private sector would provide the new prisons, about two thirds of prisoners will continue to be housed within establishments that are operated by the public sector.

I turn now to issues concerning the public sector estate. The Executive remains committed to supporting the Scottish Prison Service in its management of the public sector prison estate. As I speak, a refurbished hall is opening today at Barlinnie. That represents investment of another £2.5 million in our public sector prison service and another £35 million of investment is already under way in new house blocks at Edinburgh and Polmont prisons. Further investment in the public sector prison estate is a key priority.

The estates review concluded at an early stage that the majority of the existing SPS prisons ought to be retained, but questions remained about the future of Barlinnie, Low Moss and Peterhead.

There is no doubt that Barlinnie is in an excellent location. It is close to the busiest courts in Scotland and has good transport links. Without Barlinnie we would need to establish a replacement prison near Glasgow. I can make it clear that we propose to maintain the prison at Barlinnie. However, the accommodation at Barlinnie falls far short of modern standards. Public sector investment in substantial improvements to the accommodation at Barlinnie is a high priority and progress has already been made. One of the halls at Barlinnie has been fully refurbished and another is being partially refurbished. However, refurbishing halls is very costly, and the resulting accommodation is less flexible than new build, so we propose to clear part of the site and build a new house block, which will provide 360 prisoner places. Combined with the investment that has already been made, that will secure the long-term future of the prison with at least 530 places.

The accommodation at Low Moss is also highly unsatisfactory and is nearing the end of its useful life. It is very poor in terms of security and fire risk. Refurbishment is not an option, so it is proposed that Low Moss should close as soon as possible. However, the site is well placed to serve the main population centres in the west of Scotland. It could be considered as the location for one of the proposed new prisons.

Peterhead raises particular issues because its population is made up of long-term sex offenders, although nearly half of all sex offenders are held in other prisons. The accommodation there is also reaching the end of its useful life and all prisoners there have to slop out. Because refurbishment of the buildings, including the introduction of night sanitation, would be a lengthy and extremely expensive exercise, the cost would be very difficult to justify. Given the age of the buildings, refurbishment could not in any case be a long-term solution and so would not represent good value for money. New accommodation could be built on the site but that, too, would be a very expensive process, as a result of being constrained by the need to build while the existing accommodation remained in use.

The fact remains that Peterhead prison is distant from the central belt, from where most of its prisoners come. That makes it difficult for many prisoners to maintain appropriate family and other links, which are important in their rehabilitation. We therefore propose to close Peterhead prison. That would take at least three years to implement.

Peterhead has delivered excellent work with sex offenders in recent years. However, many sex offenders are already housed elsewhere and the STOP 2000 programme, which addresses sex offending, is already being delivered in a number of existing central belt establishments. The role of Peterhead in delivering sex offender programmes will be retained within the public sector.

We estimate that of the current total of about 4,600 SPS staff, about 670 would be likely to be affected by reduction in the size of Barlinnie and the closure of Low Moss and Peterhead. However, the SPS has given a commitment that there will be no compulsory redundancies and no cuts in cash pay for any staff as a result of the estates review. I endorse that commitment. Prison closures will inevitably take time to implement, which will provide the time to deal with staffing issues at the affected sites.

I will conclude. The key principles that underlie our proposals are: that the estate should have the capacity and the flexibility to cope with the projected number of prisoners; that slopping out must be ended and a definite timetable set that accelerates progress; that the prison estate must be modernised to provide secure prisons that facilitate effective rehabilitation through high-quality programmes; and that the estate must meet the requirements of best value.

The public sector will retain the leading role in our prison system, with elements of best practice being identified and spread throughout the estate, regardless of where it comes from. Our commitment to rehabilitation will be a key part of contracts with the private sector.

That approach is reflected in the proposals that we publish today for consultation. I look forward to what I am sure will be a constructive public debate on a crucial issue.

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh): Con
The next item of business is a statement by Mr Jim Wallace on the prison estates review. The minister will take questions at the end of his statement, so the...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD
I would like to outline the Executive's proposals for the future of the prison estate in Scotland, which are being published today for consultation.Prisons a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
The minister will now take questions on the issues that have been raised in his statement. We can be reasonably flexible about time this morning. I have a lo...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP): SNP
So much for the Liberal Democrat manifesto before the 1999 Scottish Parliament election and new Labour's promises before the 1997 general election.It is an a...
Mr Wallace: LD
I did not brief anyone on the proposals and no authorised briefing took place—I gave specific instructions that no briefing should take place. It was not roc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
I will allow questions to run beyond the timetabled 30 minutes because of the extensive list of members who want to ask questions. I emphasise that members s...
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con): Con
Is the Deputy First Minister aware that his commitment to private prisons is similar to the conversion on the road to Damascus? Has he forgotten that when th...
Mr Wallace: LD
James Douglas-Hamilton has used the 15 months to undertake some worthwhile research to find out how various people voted in 1992. I do not deny that the view...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab
Although I acknowledge the poor state of the prison estate and the Executive's desire to change it, how can the Minister for Justice expect Parliament to acc...
Mr Wallace: LD
Pauline McNeill asks how we can justify such a wide difference in costs. The vastness of the difference is one of the reasons for the delay. We wanted to ens...
George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD): LD
It is clear that the Scottish Executive and the Minister for Justice have spent considerable time investigating the differences between the two models before...
Mr Wallace: LD
George Lyon correctly points out that the difference in cost is such that, if we were to forgo that £700 million, we would have fewer resources to spend on t...
Michael Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
The minister advised that about 670 staff will be affected by the reduction in size of Barlinnie and the closure of Low Moss and Peterhead but that there wil...
Mr Wallace: LD
I confirm again that there will be no compulsory redundancies among those 670 staff. However, we are talking about something that will happen over three or f...
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP
Can we have a guarantee on that issue?
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
Order.
Mr Swinney: SNP
Will there be different rates of pay?
Mr Wallace: LD
I cannot say that there will be the same rates of pay because, as members know, there are different rates of pay in the private sector. Interruption.
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
Order. If Mr Swinney wants to ask a question, he can, like other members, press his button.
Mr Wallace: LD
We require of any private prison contract that those in custody are securely maintained and that numerous programmes, including education, are delivered. Tho...
Margaret Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab): Lab
Will there be an opportunity to extend Kilmarnock prison? If so, will that provide an opportunity to renegotiate the current contract, thereby addressing the...
Mr Wallace: LD
I recall that Margaret Jamieson accompanied me on my visit to Kilmarnock prison. On the contract, lessons have been learned and those lessons will be reflect...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
I generally welcome the review. I regret the time that it has taken to bring it to Parliament, although I perhaps understand the reasons for that. Given the ...
Mr Wallace: LD
I will take Phil Gallie's points in turn. Projections of numbers are not accurate predictions or precise science. The further one goes more than two or three...
Henry McLeish (Central Fife) (Lab): Lab
The statement is important and I sympathise with the Minister for Justice as he tackles the problems, some of which have been neglected for many years. The s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
I invite no one to take that indulgence as an example to be followed.
Mr Wallace: LD
I thank Henry McLeish for his questions and for taking a keen interest as First Minister in the work that was being done on the prison estates review.As I in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
I am beginning to get pleading notes and there are a lot of members on the list of those who wish to speak. I ask members to make their questions snappy.
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD
I will press the minister on the question of alternatives to custody. Will he assure us that adequate resources will be made available for providing services...
Mr Wallace: LD
I give Donald Gorrie the assurance that he seeks. We set considerable store by the development and resourcing of alternatives to custody. The fact that we wi...